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« Reply #51 on: June 06, 2012, 07:29:59 AM »
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« Reply #53 on: June 06, 2012, 08:10:34 AM »
Teaching With Documents:
 Message Drafted by General Eisenhower in Case the D-Day Invasion Failed and Photographs Taken on D-Day


Background

U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt, Soviet leader Joseph Stalin, and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill were responsible for leading their nations to victory and jointly planned strategies for the cooperation and eventual success of the Allied armed forces. Roosevelt and Churchill had already agreed early in the war that Germany must be stopped first if success was to be attained in the Pacific. They were repeatedly urged by Stalin to open a "second front" that would alleviate the enormous pressure that Germany's military was exerting on Russia. Large amounts of Soviet territory had been seized by the Germans, and the Soviet population had suffered terrible casualties from the relentless drive towards Moscow. Roosevelt and Churchill promised to invade Europe, but they could not deliver on their promise until many hurdles were overcome.
 
Initially, the United States had far too few soldiers in England for the Allies to mount a successful cross-channel operation. Additionally, invading Europe from more than one point would make it harder for Hitler to resupply and reinforce his divisions. In July 1942 Churchill and Roosevelt decided on the goal of occupying North Africa as a springboard to a European invasion from the south. In November American and British forces under the command of U.S. General Dwight D. Eisenhower landed at three ports in French Morocco and Algeria. This surprise seizure of Casablanca, Oran, and Algiers came less than a week after the decisive British victory at El Alamein. The stage was set for the expulsion of the Germans from Tunisia in May 1943, the Allied invasion of Sicily and Italy later that summer, and the main assault on France the following year.

Because of this success, Eisenhower was named commander of all Allied forces in Europe in 1943. When in February 1944 he was ordered to invade the continent, planning for "Operation Overlord" had been under way for about a year. Hundreds of thousands of troops from the United States, Great Britain, France,Canada, and other nations were assembled in southern England and intensively trained for the complicated amphibious action against Normandy. In addition to the troops, supplies, ships, and planes were also gathered. One photograph featured with this lesson (Document 2) shows some of the equipment that was stockpiled in this manner. Countless details about weather, topography, and the German forces in France had to be learned before Overlord could be launched in 1944.

General Eisenhower's experience and the Allied troops' preparations were finally put to the test on the morning of June 6, 1944. An invasion force of 4,000 ships, 11,000 planes, and nearly three million soldiers, marines, airmen, and sailors was assembled in England for the assault. Eisenhower's doubts about success in the face of a highly-defended and well-prepared enemy led him to consider what would happen if the invasion of Normandy failed. If the Allies did not secure a strong foothold on D-Day, they would be ordered into a full retreat, and he would be forced to make public the message he drafted for such an occasion (Document 1).

As the attack began, Allied troops did confront formidable obstacles. Germany had thousands of soldiers dug into bunkers, defended by artillery, mines, tangled barbed wire, machine guns, and other hazards to prevent landing craft from coming ashore. Document 3 featured with this lesson shows some of the ferocity of the attack they faced. About 4,900 U.S. troops were killed on D-Day, but by the end of the day 155,000 Allied troops were ashore and in control of 80 square miles of the French coast. Eisenhower's letter was not needed, because D-Day was a success, opening Europe to the Allies and a German surrender less than a year later.
 
Resources
 
Ambrose, Stephen E. D-Day, June 6, 1944. New York: Simon and Schuster, 1994.
 
Bliven, Bruce, Jr. The Story of D-Day. New York: Random House, 1956.

Eisenhower, David. Eisenhower at War 1943-1945. New York: Random House,1986.

Leckie, Robert. The Wars of America Vol. II. New York: Harper-Perennial,1992.
 
Sulzberger, C.L. The American Heritage Picture History of World War II. AmericanHeritage Publishing Co., 1966.

Thompson, R.W. D-Day: Spearhead of Invasion. New York: Ballantine Books, 1977.


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« Reply #54 on: June 06, 2012, 10:02:35 AM »
The Boys of Pointe du Hoc
By Ronald Reagan


(Note: The following are remarks delivered by President Ronald Reagan on June 6, 1984 commemorating the 40th Anniversary of the Invastion of Normandy.)
 
We're here to mark that day in history when the Allied armies joined in battle to reclaim this continent to liberty. For four long years, much of Europe had been under a terrible shadow. Free nations had fallen, Jews cried out in the camps, millions cried out for liberation. Europe was enslaved and the world prayed for its rescue. Here, in Normandy, the rescue began. Here, the Allies stood and fought against tyranny, in a giant undertaking unparalleled in human history.



 






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We stand on a lonely, windswept point on the northern shore of France. The air is soft, but forty years ago at this moment, the air was dense with smoke and the cries of men, and the air was filled with the crack of rifle fire and the roar of cannon. At dawn, on the morning of the 6th of June, 1944, two hundred and twenty-five Rangers jumped off the British landing craft and ran to the bottom of these cliffs.
 
Their mission was one of the most difficult and daring of the invasion: to climb these sheer and desolate cliffs and take out the enemy guns. The Allies had been told that some of the mightiest of these guns were here, and they would be trained on the beaches to stop the Allied advance.
 
The Rangers looked up and saw the enemy soldiers at the edge of the cliffs, shooting down at them with machine guns and throwing grenades. And the American Rangers began to climb. They shot rope ladders over the face of these cliffs and began to pull themselves up. When one Ranger fell, another would take his place. When one rope was cut, a Ranger would grab another and begin his climb again. They climbed, shot back, and held their footing. Soon, one by one, the Rangers pulled themselves over the top, and in seizing the firm land at the top of these cliffs, they began to seize back the continent of Europe. Two hundred and twenty-five came here. After two days of fighting, only ninety could still bear arms.
 
And behind me is a memorial that symbolizes the Ranger daggers that were thrust into the top of these cliffs. And before me are the men who put them there. These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc. These are the men who took the cliffs. These are the champions who helped free a continent. And these are the heroes who helped end a war. Gentlemen, I look at you and I think of the words of Stephen Spender's poem. You are men who in your "lives fought for life and left the vivid air signed with your honor."
 
I think I know what you may be thinking right now -- thinking "we were just part of a bigger effort; everyone was brave that day." Well everyone was. Do you remember the story of Bill Millin of the 51st Highlanders? Forty years ago today, British troops were pinned down near a bridge, waiting desperately for help. Suddenly, they heard the sound of bagpipes, and some thought they were dreaming. Well, they weren't. They looked up and saw Bill Millin with his bagpipes, leading the reinforcements and ignoring the smack of the bullets into the ground around him.
 
Lord Lovat was with him -- Lord Lovat of Scotland, who calmly announced when he got to the bridge, "Sorry, I'm a few minutes late," as if he'd been delayed by a traffic jam, when in truth he'd just come from the bloody fighting on Sword Beach, which he and his men had just taken.
 
There was the impossible valor of the Poles, who threw themselves between the enemy and the rest of Europe as the invasion took hold; and the unsurpassed courage of the Canadians who had already seen the horrors of war on this coast. They knew what awaited them there, but they would not be deterred. And once they hit Juno Beach, they never looked back.
 
All of these men were part of a roll call of honor with names that spoke of a pride as bright as the colors they bore; The Royal Winnipeg Rifles, Poland's 24th Lancers, the Royal Scots' Fusiliers, the Screaming Eagles, the Yeomen of England's armored divisions, the forces of Free France, the Coast Guard's "Matchbox Fleet," and you, the American Rangers.
 
Forty summers have passed since the battle that you fought here. You were young the day you took these cliffs; some of you were hardly more than boys, with the deepest joys of life before you. Yet you risked everything here. Why? Why did you do it? What impelled you to put aside the instinct for self-preservation and risk your lives to take these cliffs? What inspired all the men of the armies that met here? We look at you, and somehow we know the answer. It was faith and belief. It was loyalty and love.
 
The men of Normandy had faith that what they were doing was right, faith that they fought for all humanity, faith that a just God would grant them mercy on this beachhead, or on the next. It was the deep knowledge -- and pray God we have not lost it -- that there is a profound moral difference between the use of force for liberation and the use of force for conquest. You were here to liberate, not to conquer, and so you and those others did not doubt your cause. And you were right not to doubt.
 
You all knew that some things are worth dying for. One's country is worth dying for, and democracy is worth dying for, because it's the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man. All of you loved liberty. All of you were willing to fight tyranny, and you knew the people of your countries were behind you.
 
The Americans who fought here that morning knew word of the invasion was spreading through the darkness back home. They fought -- or felt in their hearts, though they couldn't know in fact, that in Georgia they were filling the churches at 4:00 am. In Kansas they were kneeling on their porches and praying. And in Philadelphia they were ringing the Liberty Bell.
 
Something else helped the men of D-day; their rock-hard belief that Providence would have a great hand in the events that would unfold here; that God was an ally in this great cause. And so, the night before the invasion, when Colonel Wolverton asked his parachute troops to kneel with him in prayer, he told them: "Do not bow your heads, but look up so you can see God and ask His blessing in what we're about to do." Also, that night, General Matthew Ridgway on his cot, listening in the darkness for the promise God made to Joshua: "I will not fail thee nor forsake thee."
 
These are the things that impelled them; these are the things that shaped the unity of the Allies.
 
When the war was over, there were lives to be rebuilt and governments to be returned to the people. There were nations to be reborn. Above all, there was a new peace to be assured. These were huge and daunting tasks. But the Allies summoned strength from the faith, belief, loyalty, and love of those who fell here. They rebuilt a new Europe together. There was first a great reconciliation among those who had been enemies, all of whom had suffered so greatly. The United States did its part, creating the Marshall Plan to help rebuild our allies and our former enemies. The Marshall Plan led to the Atlantic alliance -- a great alliance that serves to this day as our shield for freedom, for prosperity, and for peace.
 
In spite of our great efforts and successes, not all that followed the end of the war was happy or planned. Some liberated countries were lost. The great sadness of this loss echoes down to our own time in the streets of Warsaw, Prague, and East Berlin. The Soviet troops that came to the center of this continent did not leave when peace came. They're still there, uninvited, unwanted, unyielding, almost forty years after the war. Because of this, allied forces still stand on this continent. Today, as forty years ago, our armies are here for only one purpose: to protect and defend democracy. The only territories we hold are memorials like this one and graveyards where our heroes rest.
 
We in America have learned bitter lessons from two world wars. It is better to be here ready to protect the peace, than to take blind shelter across the sea, rushing to respond only after freedom is lost. We've learned that isolationism never was and never will be an acceptable response to tyrannical governments with an expansionist intent. But we try always to be prepared for peace, prepared to deter aggression, prepared to negotiate the reduction of arms, and yes, prepared to reach out again in the spirit of reconciliation. In truth, there is no reconciliation we would welcome more than a reconciliation with the Soviet Union, so, together, we can lessen the risks of war, now and forever.
 
It's fitting to remember here the great losses also suffered by the Russian people during World War II. Twenty million perished, a terrible price that testifies to all the world the necessity of ending war. I tell you from my heart that we in the United States do not want war. We want to wipe from the face of the earth the terrible weapons that man now has in his hands. And I tell you, we are ready to seize that beachhead. We look for some sign from the Soviet Union that they are willing to move forward, that they share our desire and love for peace, and that they will give up the ways of conquest. There must be a changing there that will allow us to turn our hope into action.
 
We will pray forever that someday that changing will come. But for now, particularly today, it is good and fitting to renew our commitment to each other, to our freedom, and to the alliance that protects it.
 
We're bound today by what bound us 40 years ago, the same loyalties, traditions, and beliefs. We're bound by reality. The strength of America's allies is vital to the United States, and the American security guarantee is essential to the continued freedom of Europe's democracies. We were with you then; we're with you now. Your hopes are our hopes, and your destiny is our destiny.
 
Here, in this place where the West held together, let us make a vow to our dead. Let us show them by our actions that we understand what they died for. Let our actions say to them the words for which Matthew Ridgway listened: "I will not fail thee nor forsake thee."
 
Strengthened by their courage and heartened by their value [valor] and borne by their memory, let us continue to stand for the ideals for which they lived and died.
 
Thank you very much, and God bless you all.

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Re: For the historically challenged on Get Big - June 6 is D-Day
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« Reply #56 on: June 06, 2012, 11:44:24 AM »
D-Day medic still haunted by 'the boy on the beach'
 

By Joshua Rhett Miller
 
Published June 06, 2012
 
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Seen here at a 2009 event honoring New Jersey veterans, Bernard Friedenberg, a 90-year-old World War II medic who took part in the D-Day invasion, visited a local school in Atlantic City on Tuesday to commemorate its 68th anniversary, sharing his experiences with students who hung on his every word. But he will otherwise not mark the day in which he “lost so many friends,” he said. (YouTube)
 


The passage of 68 years has not dimmed Army medic Bernard Friedenberg's memory of "the boy on the beach."
 
Friedenberg was just 22 when he took part in the storied invasion of Normandy, hitting Omaha Beach with the 16th Regiment of the 1st Infantry Division, or “The Big Red One” on June 6, 1944. Moments after reaching the heavily-fortified French coastline, and as Nazi artillery rained down from the cliffs above, Friedenberg found a young, mortally-wounded soldier gasping his last breaths.
 
“He was shot through the chest and as he would breathe, the air would blow out of his chest, so I had to seal off the wound,” Friedenberg told FoxNews.com. “At the same time, I was hearing ‘medic, medic,’ from other soldiers. It was a massacre, an absolute massacre, and I was in the middle of it.”
 
Faced with the dilemma of continuing to treat the wounded soldier or turning to others, Friedenberg gave the soldier morphine and moved on. It’s a decision that still haunts the 90-year-old New Jersey man long after the invasion that allowed the Allies to gain a foothold in Normandy and begin the march across Europe to defeat Adolf Hitler.
 
“It was really rough,” he said. “I have some terrible memories. I was patching up guys right and left, on all sides of me.”
 
More than 5,000 ships and 13,000 aircraft took part in the D-Day invasion, which Gen. Dwight Eisenhower called a crusade that necessitated “nothing less than full victory.” By day’s end, more than 9,000 Allied soldiers were killed or wounded. But more than 100,000 soldiers survived, including Friedenberg, who would eventually trek through England, Algeria, Tunisia, Belgium, Germany and Czechoslovakia, earning two Purple Hearts, two Bronze Stars and two Silver Stars along the way.
 



"I lost so many friends on that day. God only knows how I came through without getting hit. But I did get through."
 
- WWII medic Bernard Friedenberg
 

Friedenberg, of Margate, N.J., visited a local school in Atlantic City on Tuesday to commemorate the anniversary, sharing his experiences with students who hung on his every word.
 
“The day is very significant to me,” he continued. “I lost so many friends on that day. God only knows how I came through without getting hit. But I did get through.”
 
Friedenberg, as a way of treating his post-traumatic stress disorder — "they called it 'shellshock' in those days" — chronicled his experiences as a near-sighted soldier who nearly wasn’t accepted into the service to his return to Normandy on his 80th birthday. The book, “Of Being Numerous: World War II As I Saw It,” published by Stockon College’s Holocaust Resource Center, is now mandatory reading at area college courses on the war, he said.
 
Despite the book’s near-universal praise for its candor and humor, Friedenberg does not enjoy recounting his war stories.
 
“He still gets nightmares, and he thinks back to the men he couldn’t save,” Friedenberg’s wife, Phyllis, told FoxNews.com.
 
“I have scars on my body, and scars in my head as well,” he said. “They will never heal.”
 
Other soldiers interviewed by FoxNews.com who took part in the D-Day invasion, including Rufus Broadaway, a paratrooper with the 82nd Airborne Division, recall the day in a much different light.
 
“I had forgotten that [today] is D-Day,” Broadaway told FoxNews.com when reached in Gainesville, Fla. “We don’t have any plans but to have our flag on our lawn.”
 
Sixty-eight years ago today, Broadaway leaped from his "hit" plane from the lowest altitude he had ever jumped — maybe 300 feet, he said — and landed on an apple tree.
 
“The roadway was covered with debris, a lot of dead bodies, injured soldiers, and soldiers so petrified that they couldn’t even move,” Broadaway said. “The air was full of shots and shells. But my captain had us going along. It was a miracle that we got across that causeway. By that time, the Germans had retreated.
 
“I wouldn’t take anything back,” Broadaway continued. “I will forever be proud of it and hold that experience close. I’m so thankful that I was a part of it.”
 
FoxNews.com's Maegan Vazquez contributed to this report.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/06/68-years-later-wwii-medic-paratrooper-recount-d-day-invasion/#ixzz1x2YHdwyU

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Re: For the historically challenged on Get Big - June 6 is D-Day
« Reply #57 on: June 06, 2012, 06:09:21 PM »
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« Reply #58 on: June 06, 2012, 07:42:21 PM »
Ok scumbags, one last bump before I bump this next year.  Keep obsessed w Kim k , jersey shore, etc and avoid your history.

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Re: For the historically challenged on Get Big - June 6 is D-Day
« Reply #59 on: June 06, 2012, 07:46:21 PM »
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« Reply #60 on: June 06, 2012, 07:48:05 PM »
The greatest generation.

By far.  notice that disgusting communist leech said nothing today about D Day? 

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« Reply #61 on: June 06, 2012, 07:51:24 PM »
By far.  notice that disgusting communist leech said nothing today about D Day? 

He was too busy releasing a campaign video with Marc Anthony.

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« Reply #62 on: June 06, 2012, 07:53:49 PM »
He was too busy releasing a campaign video with Marc Anthony.

he fact that democrats are not speaking out on this daily fail machine is telling.  at least Bill Clinton is trying to send a message.  and he is.    however the rest of TJE blind drones are to blind to see the wreckage being done.

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« Reply #63 on: June 06, 2012, 08:13:20 PM »
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This is why I fucking hate Obama like the plague as well as every disgusting communist piece of shit. Voting for him. 


he is not American.    He is a communist traitor and a neo-terrorist punk. 

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« Reply #67 on: June 05, 2013, 08:09:20 PM »
Isn't it a little bit ironic given your hatred of "communists" that it was the communists who won the war in Europe? The 150K Allied troops that landed in France in '44 were small potatoes compared to the tens of millions of Russians who had been fighting and dying on the Eastern Front since '40. The Western Front was a sideshow relative to what had been going on in the east.

The communists in Russia used their people as cannon fodder worse than anything - they sent people into battle wo weapons just to pick up weapons of the dead of men mowed down in front of them.  It was a sheer game of numbers and we helped supply Russia w materials for the tanks etc 

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« Reply #68 on: June 05, 2013, 08:22:46 PM »
The communists in Russia used their people as cannon fodder worse than anything - they sent people into battle wo weapons just to pick up weapons of the dead of men mowed down in front of them.  It was a sheer game of numbers and we helped supply Russia w materials for the tanks etc 
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It's true that the Russians suffered heavy casualties (I'd like to see how we'd have handled the onslaught of the 100 best German divisions) but the Russians also made tremendous gains in technology. At the end of the war, there was arguably no better heavy tank than the Russian one. The only one that would have come close would be the German one. US designs didn't compare. The Russians also designed some of the best rocket technology and their infantryman's rifle was pretty good as well (it was the Russians who designed the AK-47 later on). If you think the Russians won WWII only because of "numbers" you don't know much about it.

The Russian tanks were good  - but don't forget that we greatly hampered the ability of Germany to pump out the Tigers and newer tanks w the bombing runs on the factories etc.   


And lets not forget the Russian winter. 

Hitler invading Russia was no doubt probably his biggest mistake of the war considering the inability to re-stock the soldiers at the front lines as the winter came on  . 

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Re: For the historically challenged on Get Big - June 6 is D-Day
« Reply #70 on: June 05, 2013, 08:44:45 PM »
The Germans never ran out of tanks. They ran out of men and oil.

Americans like to overplay the role they played in the war in Europe, but Europeans know what's up. Had the Russians capitulated in '40 the Allies would have negotiated a peace with Germany. No way the US would have taken the casualties necessary to defeat the Germans. Americans don't like to suffer. So instead of a cold war with Stalin we would have it with Hitler.  

Many of the Russian casualities were needless as those in power had zero regard for losses on the front. 

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« Reply #71 on: June 05, 2013, 09:01:23 PM »
Interesting. I'm sure you know what number of casualties would have been acceptable against a 100 German divisions comprised of a couple million men that were taking no prisoners. Fortunately, the US and its many internet warriors has never experienced anything comparable to that.

On another note, Stalin never left his desk in the desk in the Kremlin when the Germans were only miles away. He is one of history's great Alphas.

Stalin:   "The death of one man is a tradgedy - the death of millions is a statistic"

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Re: For the historically challenged on Get Big - June 6 is D-Day
« Reply #72 on: June 06, 2013, 07:06:26 AM »
The Germans never ran out of tanks. They ran out of men and oil.

Americans like to overplay the role they played in the war in Europe, but Europeans know what's up. Had the Russians capitulated in '40 the Allies would have negotiated a peace with Germany. No way the US would have taken the casualties necessary to defeat the Germans. Americans don't like to suffer. So instead of a cold war with Stalin we would have it with Hitler.  

As a Tanker I can tell you that the American Army has a secret fasination with the German war machine. I have most of the German main armor as either models or large diecast "toys". I have a massive king tiger that dominates my man cave along with a bunch of the large historical German tank aces and other historical figures from the Dragon 9 inch series. I've got books on the SS and I guess would easily be mistaken for a neo nazi...if my british airborne stuff want all over the place.

That said. German armor for themost part was great but wasn't mass produced like the T34. Plus with our bombing mentioned above, things would have taken longer for the Russians. No second front and top line German formations would have been grinding russian armor in the east instead of facing us in the bocage.
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Re: For the historically challenged on Get Big - June 6 is D-Day
« Reply #73 on: June 06, 2013, 07:08:15 AM »
http://www.blackfive.net/

check out the above link...a buddy is currenty at the ceremonies covering things and has a bunch of great blog posts. We're not supporting like we have in the past. The Brits and everybody else is there as usual.
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Re: For the historically challenged on Get Big - June 6 is D-Day
« Reply #74 on: June 06, 2013, 07:16:17 AM »
Canada did more for WW2 than America. I'll be remembering that.