Author Topic: Cantor: Obama Stormed Out Of Debt Meeting After Becoming “Agitated”  (Read 2768 times)

Straw Man

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Oh sorry me, I thought you actually read the article you linked to as a source for your bullshit.   My bad.   


Again - what EXACTLY are the cuts your communist cult leader is offering?   

any time you post a quote you should say where it came from

I haven't memorized every line of every article that I post

have you ?

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any time you post a quote you should say where it came from

I haven't memorized every line of every article that I post

have you ?

Sorry dipshit - I made the wrong assumption that you actually read the article you linked.  I'll take note of that for the next time. 

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The president’s renewed efforts follow what knowledgeable officials said was an overture from Mr. Boehner, who met secretly with Mr. Obama last weekend, to consider as much as $1 trillion in unspecified new revenues as part of an overhaul of tax laws in exchange for an agreement that made substantial spending cuts, including in such social programs as Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security — programs that had been off the table.


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Tell me exactly what those cuts are?  

why does it matter what EXACTLY they are

you know where they are coming from - the very things you hate - Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security


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Sorry dipshit - I made the wrong assumption that you actually read the article you linked.  I'll take note of that for the next time. 

I did read it but as I've said before I have not comitted every line to memory

now tell us why it is so important that you know exactly where the cuts from Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security come from

that was your point

right?

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no we don't

Reagan, Bush and Cheney told us that deficits don't matter

the entire Republican economic revolution is based on deficits and debt

There's your problem, believing that deficits don't matter.  That is an ignorant comment.  I hope Boehner has more sense than you.  

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why does it matter what EXACTLY they are

you know where they are coming from - the very things you hate - Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security


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Because most of those so called cuts are pure bullshit that will never happen and are slated to be 10 years out.

Reagan made the same mistake by trusting the communist RATS and said so many times.  

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Because most of those so called cuts are pure bullshit that will never happen and are slated to be 10 years out.
Reagan made the same mistake by trusting the communist RATS and said so many times.  

pure bullshit ?

give us the details on how know they are pure bullshit

don't forget to post a link to your source

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pure bullshit ?

give us the details on how know they are pure bullshit

don't forget to post a link to your source

I have been keeping track of the debt negotiations  and everything that is being discussed by your cult leader obama is pure nonsense. 

nothing is to take place NOW, nut years down the road.

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I have been keeping track of the debt negotiations  and everything that is being discussed by your cult leader obama is pure nonsense. 

nothing is to take place NOW, nut years down the road.

so the source is you pulled it out of your ass.......as usual ?

if not, then you should be able to provide some specific details

afterall, you've been keeping track of this stuff and EVERYTHING that is being discussed

Let's see some details and some source for your claim

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then say its from the article

again - everything you post is suspect unless it's sourced


Lmfao.  Still laughing over this. 

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Bwahahahahahahahaha!  That's classic.   ;D

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then say its from the article

again - everything you post is suspect unless it's sourced

Man, are you incompetent. You don't even read what you post. Just ripping articles based on their headlines like the good little sheeple you are. Embarrassing.

Cue the temper tantrum and stupid claims in an attempt to save face.

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Lmfao.  Still laughing over this. 

whenever I quote any article I always source it

when I quote an article that someone has posted I always say something to the effect of "from your link" or something similar

If you're telling me you commit every word of the few links you post I'll be glad to test you

to the actual content of your post

you've been keeping track of the debt negotiations and EVERYTHING that is being discussed

so you can easily explain why the proposed cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security are

in YOUR WORDS

pure bullshit

let's hear it and don't forget to source your information

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straw why dont you tell us why you feel they are actual and will be implemented immediately...

did you believe in the "shovel Ready" projects?

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Batchelor had a guest on from the hill who said obama is offering 2 billion in cuts and that's it.   The rest is all bullshit like I said.    I will post the clip tomorrow when it's uploaded.  

Obama is lying again like on everything else.  

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Batchelor had a guest on from the hill who said obama is offering 2 billion in cuts and that's it.   The rest is all bullshit like I said.    I will post the clip tomorrow when it's uploaded.  

Obama is lying again like on everything else.  

the NY Times reported "$2 trillion in savings ......and perhaps twice as much over the next decade"

I guess they will double check their numbers with Batchelors un-named guest and give us the truth

back to your claim about bullshit cuts in Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security

you claim to follow this shit and you've claimed these cuts are "bullshit"

assuming you're not talking out of your ass

let's see some details

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Regime Change May Be Needed To Cut Deficit


By CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER
Posted 07/14/2011 06:38 PM ET




President Obama is demanding a big long-term budget deal. He won't sign anything less, he warns, asking, "If not now, when?"

How about last December, when he ignored his own debt commission's recommendations? How about February, when he presented a budget that increases debt by $10 trillion over the next decade? How about April, when he sought a debt-ceiling increase with zero debt reduction attached?

All of a sudden he's a born-again budget balancer prepared to bravely take on his own party by making deep cuts in entitlements. Really? Name one. He's been saying forever that he's prepared to discuss, engage, converse about entitlement cuts. But never once has he publicly proposed a single structural change to any entitlement.

Hasn't the White House leaked that he's prepared to raise the Medicare age or change the cost-of-living calculation? Anonymous talk is cheap. Leaks are designed to manipulate. Offers are floated and disappear. Say it, Mr. President. Give us one single structural change in entitlements. In public.

As part of the pose as the forward-looking grown-up rising above all the others who play politics, Obama insists upon a long-term deal. And what is Obama's definition of long-term? Surprise: An agreement that gets him past Nov. 6, 2012.

Nothing could be more political. It's like his Afghan surge wind-down date. September 2012 has no relation to any military reality on the ground. It is designed solely to position Obama favorably going into the last weeks of his re-election campaign.

Yet the Olympian above-the-fray no-politics-here pose is succeeding. A pliant press swallows the White House story line: the great compromiser ("clearly exasperated," sympathized a Washington Post news story) being stymied by Republican "intransigence" (the noun actually used in another front-page Post news story to describe the Republican position on taxes).

Call His Bluff

The meme having been established, Republicans have been neatly set up to take the fall if a deal is not reached by Aug. 2. Obama is already waving the red flag, warning ominously that Social Security, disabled veterans' benefits, "critical" medical research, food inspection — without which agriculture shuts down — are in jeopardy.

The Republicans are being totally outmaneuvered. The House speaker appears disoriented. It's time to act. Time to call Obama's bluff.

A long-term deal or nothing? The Republican House should immediately pass a short-term debt-ceiling hike of $500 billion containing $500 billion in budget cuts. That would give us about five months to work on something larger.

The fat-cat tax breaks (those corporate jets) that Obama's talking points endlessly recycle? Republicans should call for urgent negotiations on tax reform along the lines of Simpson-Bowles that, in one option, strips out annually $1.1 trillion of deductions, credits and loopholes while lowering tax rates across the board to a top rate of 23%.

The president says he wants tax reform, doesn't he? Well, Mr. President, here are five months to do so.

Will the Democratic Senate or the Democratic president refuse this offer and allow the country to default — with all the cataclysmic consequences that the Democrats have been warning about for months — because Obama insists on a deal that is 10 months and seven days longer?

That's indefensible and transparently self-serving. Dare the president to make that case. Dare him to veto — or the Democratic Senate to block — a short-term debt-limit increase.

This is certainly better than the McConnell plan, which would simply throw debt reduction back to the president. But if the House cannot do Plan A, McConnell is the fallback Plan B.

After all, by what crazy calculation should Republicans allow themselves to be blamed for a debt crisis that could destabilize the economy and even precipitate a double-dip recession? Right now, Obama owns the economy and its 9.2% unemployment, 1.9% GDP growth and exploding debt about which he's done nothing. Why bail him out by sharing ownership?

You cannot govern this country from one house. Republicans should have learned that from the 1995-96 Gingrich-Clinton fight when the GOP controlled both houses and still lost.

If conservatives really want to get the nation's spending under control, the only way is to win the presidency. Put the question to the country and let the people decide. To seriously jeopardize the election now in pursuit of a long-term small-government Ryan-like reform that is inherently unreachable without control of the White House may be good for the soul. But it could very well wreck the cause.



http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/578331/201107141838/Regime-Change-May-Be-Needed-To-Cut-Deficit.htm


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http://thehill.com/homenews/house/171703-house-gop-leaders-embrace-cut-cap-and-balance-as-solution-to-debt-standoff


House GOP leaders embrace ‘cut, cap and balance’ as solution to debt standoff
By Molly K. Hooper and Russell Berman - 07/15/11 10:00 AM ET

House Republican leaders are throwing their support behind the “cut, cap and balance” plan that conservatives are demanding in return for an increase in the federal debt ceiling.

According to lawmakers who attended an 8 a.m. meeting of the Republican conference, GOP House members rallied Friday behind an effort to cut spending, cap spending in future years and pass a balanced budget act to the Constitution — a package that has been pushed in the House by the Republican Study Committee (RSC).

The plan would authorize a $2.4 trillion increase in the debt ceiling after Congress passes a balanced budget amendment.

According to a summary shown to The Hill, the plan would cut $111 billion in fiscal year 2012 and cap spending at 18 percent of gross domestic product by 2021. The $2.4 trillion increase in the debt ceiling would satisfy President Obama’s demand that the additional borrowing authority carry the nation through the 2012 elections.

The move will allow the GOP to say it has acted to increase the debt ceiling and prevent a default, even if the plan is one that is likely to be rejected by Democrats and the White House.

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good!    Pass this, hand it off to obama and Reid  and let them deal with it now.    This is what they should have done from Day 1 to counter Obama's daily lie machine.     

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Regime Change May Be Needed To Cut Deficit
By CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER
Posted 07/14/2011 06:38 PM ET


good job avoiding direct questions of your post and instead spamming with Krauthammer

He's right about one thing

In order to cut the deficit we do need regime changes.

We need a democratic majority in the house and 60+ in the Senate

That's the only way we'll ever get the debt and deficit under control

The only POTUS who even started us in the right direction was a Dem

The history of Republicans has been to increase the debt, in fact that is the hallmark of the modern repulican adminstration so why on earth would we suddenly expect them to change their ways after 30 years of doing the exact same thing

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good job avoiding direct questions of your post and instead spamming with Krauthammer

He's right about one thing

In order to cut the deficit we do need regime changes.

We need a democratic majority in the house and 60+ in the Senate

That's the only way we'll ever get the debt and deficit under control

The only POTUS who even started us in the right direction was a Dem

The history of Republicans has been to increase the debt, in fact that is the hallmark of the modern repulican adminstration so why on earth would we suddenly expect them to change their ways after 30 years of doing the exact same thing



Obama had 2 years of a dem house and senate and exploded the deficit.   FAIL. 

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good job avoiding direct questions of your post and instead spamming with Krauthammer

He's right about one thing

In order to cut the deficit we do need regime changes.

We need a democratic majority in the house and 60+ in the Senate

That's the only way we'll ever get the debt and deficit under control

The only POTUS who even started us in the right direction was a Dem

The history of Republicans has been to increase the debt, in fact that is the hallmark of the modern repulican adminstration so why on earth would we suddenly expect them to change their ways after 30 years of doing the exact same thing

This is perhaps the most ignorant post I have ever seen on this site, and that is saying something. One party rule is a recipe for disaster, as proven by Dem and Reps. I'm guessing you talking about Clinton? Yeah strange how money doesn't get spent when DC gets grid locked.
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Obama had 2 years of a dem house and senate and exploded the deficit.   FAIL. 

as you know (or maybe don't know) they didn't have  60+ votes in the Senate and the Senate Repubs shattered all previous records for filibuster

you know this for a fact by all the presidential appointees and various government jobs that were just vacant because Repubs would not allow our government to function

Regarding the Debt, we started will ~ 700 billion when Reagan came in office and Replicans EXPLODED both the debt and deficit but also the size of the government (3 things they claim to be against).  As you know (or don't know) the expansion in the debt includes interest on all the debt racked up by previous administrations along with the additional debt added by those adnimistrations

Clinton added the least to the debt and left office with a budget surplus and a plan in place and working to pay down all the debt by the end of 2010

Why is the world would I ever believe that any Republican cares about the debt or deficit or has any actual plan in place to address it ?

Only an idiot would look at the past 30 years and expect the Republicans care about the debt or have a clue about how to pay it down
 


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Oh - notice when the deficit exploded under Bush = when pelosi and reid took over. 


Another Straw Man FAIL. 

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Your graph is BS.

http://www.cnsnews.com/node/72404

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123629969453946717.html

http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2009/02/obamas-trillions-dwarf-bushs-dangerous-spending


it's totally accurate and as you know (or don't know) the expansion in the debt includes interest on all the debt racked up by previous administrations along with the additional debt added by those administrations

As you also know (or don't know) Obama came into office at a time when tax revenue was falling off a cliff which exacerbates the situation and we all know the Repubs prevented him from attacking the problem from that angle

Repubs like to pretend that our government works just like a family and when times are tough you tighten your belt except in real life when times are tough you get a second job, your wife goes back to work, etc...    You don't just sit back and stop paying your bills you find a way to make more money