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Special Editorial: Yikes

William Kristol

September 23, 2011 9:22 AM

THE WEEKLY STANDARD’s official reaction to last night’s Republican presidential debate: Yikes.

Reading the reactions of thoughtful commentators after the stage emptied, talking with conservative policy types and GOP political operatives later last evening and this morning, we know we’re not alone. Most won’t express publicly just how horrified—or at least how demoralized—they are. After all, they still want to beat Obama—as do we. And they want to get along with the possible nominee and the other candidates and their supporters. They don’t want to rock the boat too much. But maybe the GOP presidential boat needs rocking.

The e-mails flooding into our inbox during the evening were less guarded. Early on, we received this missive from a bright young conservative: “I'm watching my first GOP debate...and WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!” As the evening went on, the craziness receded, and the demoralized comments we received stressed the mediocrity of the field rather than its wackiness. As one more experienced, and therefore more jaded, observer wrote: “I just thought maybe it’s always this bad...they’re only marginally worse than McCain and Bush.”

Now there are some legitimate excuses. With nine candidates on the stage, and answers restricted to one minute, it’s hard to really show your stuff. And two of the candidates—Rick Santorum and Mitt Romney—did provide respectable performances. But no frontrunner in a presidential field has ever, we imagine, had as weak a showing as Rick Perry. It was close to a disqualifying two hours for him. And Mitt Romney remains, when all is said and done, a technocratic management consultant whose one term as governor produced Romneycare. He could rise to the occasion as president. Or not.

But in a week in which markets collapsed, Solyndra exploded, our Middle East policy was in meltdown, the Iranian nuclear threat became more urgent, and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff fingered our “ally” Pakistan as a sponsor of terror against American forces in Afghanistan—none of the candidates really seemed up to the moment, either politically or substantively. In the midst of a crisis, we’re getting politics as usual—and a somewhat subpar version of politics as usual at that.

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Kristol is one to talk about sounding crazy lol...  for years he did nothing but push crazy and spearhead the neoconservative propaganda campaign on the people.


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but when kristol says you're crazy.... well.... the man knows crazy when he sees it...

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Nah. Other than the rediculous TWO people who booed the gay soldier and other than Rick Santorum and Ron Paul, I dont see how they sounded crazy. The Dems had atleast one or two crazy people in thier primaries. And Mitt Romney DEFINATELY didnt sound crazy. He was presidential.
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Nah. Other than the rediculous TWO people who booed the gay soldier and other than Rick Santorum and Ron Paul, I dont see how they sounded crazy. The Dems had atleast one or two crazy people in thier primaries. And Mitt Romney DEFINATELY didnt sound crazy. He was presidential.
what did Paul say that was crazy?  If it was crazy, why did people cheer after he spoke?

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what did Paul say that was crazy?  If it was crazy, why did people cheer after he spoke?

Because it was a small minority of his crazy followers. What is particularly crazy about Ron Paul is the way he views EVERY single question and subject in the prism of his rose tinted isolationist glasses. Ok, I get that he thinks we shouldnt be involved in these regions over seas. We all get that. Does he have to mention it when talking about domestic policy? The wars represent a miniscule fraction of our current deficits.
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Because it was a small minority of his crazy followers. What is particularly crazy about Ron Paul is the way he views EVERY single question and subject in the prism of his rose tinted isolationist glasses. Ok, I get that he thinks we shouldnt be involved in these regions over seas. We all get that. Does he have to mention it when talking about domestic policy? The wars represent a miniscule fraction of our current deficits.
Oh, it was only a small group of crazy followers that cheered huh?  What debate are you talking about lol...

Ron Paul is not an isolationist.  Stop listening to the propaganda against him and actually read and listen to what he says.



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Because it was a small minority of his crazy followers. What is particularly crazy about Ron Paul is the way he views EVERY single question and subject in the prism of his rose tinted isolationist glasses. Ok, I get that he thinks we shouldnt be involved in these regions over seas. We all get that. Does he have to mention it when talking about domestic policy? The wars represent a miniscule fraction of our current deficits.

Lol, you must have been watching a medication induced, imaginary debate in your head.

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Kristol is one to talk about sounding crazy lol...  for years he did nothing but push crazy and spearhead the neoconservative propaganda campaign on the people.




Exactly. The guy is totally irrelevant.

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Bill Kristol is just another lying douchebag neocon chickenhawk.  They are a dime a dozen these days.  Another guy that talks up a big military game but he himself never served. 
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Bill Kristol is just another lying douchebag neocon chickenhawk.  They are a dime a dozen these days.  Another guy that talks up a big military game but he himself never served. 

If Kristol ever found himself in a real war situation he's knees would turn to dust from knocking together do hard and he'd piss on himself. Piece of smug trash.

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Because it was a small minority of his crazy followers. What is particularly crazy about Ron Paul is the way he views EVERY single question and subject in the prism of his rose tinted isolationist glasses. Ok, I get that he thinks we shouldnt be involved in these regions over seas. We all get that. Does he have to mention it when talking about domestic policy? The wars represent a miniscule fraction of our current deficits.

I wouldn't call Paul crazy, but some of his supporters are pretty fanatical.  Sort of detached from reality. 


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I wouldn't call Paul crazy, but some of his supporters are pretty fanatical.  Sort of detached from reality

the same could be said of Bachmann and her supporters

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Exactly. The guy is totally irrelevant.
but, but, but.....He's on Fox News almost every night during B. Bauer's 'all star panel'...along with the guy in the wheelchair....
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Because it was a small minority of his crazy followers. What is particularly crazy about Ron Paul is the way he views EVERY single question and subject in the prism of his rose tinted isolationist glasses. Ok, I get that he thinks we shouldnt be involved in these regions over seas. We all get that. Does he have to mention it when talking about domestic policy? The wars represent a miniscule fraction of our current deficits.

A miniscule fraction of our current deficit? Haha.............what a dumb fuck. 

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Our long term debt problems will neither be fixed by ending these wars or cutting defense.
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I wouldn't call Paul crazy, but some of his supporters are pretty fanatical.  Sort of detached from reality.  


Do you feel the same for some of the tea party? 

It's funny, most of the people calling Paul supporters crazy or fanatical don't have much to back it up but their opinion.  You can find some videos of Paul supporters being very agressive in their support, but then you can run right out and find the same videos supporting Bush or Palin too.  Lots of tea party vids of people freaking out.  Fanatical is what you see in so many of the Obama supporter vids. 

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Our long term debt problems will neither be fixed by ending these wars or cutting defense.

Nigeria is an important oil exporting country, some people have spoken of future US involvement there, could be interesting.

On another note, that is simply not true, 1 trillion plus a year could definitely be used to offset the deficit.
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Nigeria is an important oil exporting country, some people have spoken of future US involvement there, could be interesting.

On another note, that is simply not true, 1 trillion plus a year could definitely be used to offset the deficit.
When you look at spending on the wars, the department of defence and veteran spending it's a huge chunk of the pie.  If we were not out policing the world, nation building and maintaining a global military presence, that massive chunk would be a lot less.  I'm not for cutting anything on vets, but that spending would naturally go down if we were not fighting wars we shouldn't be fighting.  The increase for spending in that area is only going to go up the more we have to police the world.

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Do you feel the same for some of the tea party? 

It's funny, most of the people calling Paul supporters crazy or fanatical don't have much to back it up but their opinion.  You can find some videos of Paul supporters being very agressive in their support, but then you can run right out and find the same videos supporting Bush or Palin too.  Lots of tea party vids of people freaking out.  Fanatical is what you see in so many of the Obama supporter vids. 

No.

I don't know if Paul supporters are out doing dumb stuff.  That's not what I meant.  I think they do a good job of inflating online polls or anyplace where there may be a small turnout and they can block vote, like the Iowa straw poll.  What makes a lot of his supporters fanatical and unreasonable is they refuse to look at the actual election results (like 2008), and make claims like he would be a frontrunner if there wasn't some media conspiracy to suppress his support. 

They refuse to take an objective look at the only thing that matters:  votes on election day.  For example, you won't find any Ron Paul fanatics addressing things like this:  http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=394271.0 

One of the questions I asked in that thread is how he can win the nomination if he's unable to win his home state?  How does he do it? 

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Our long term debt problems will neither be fixed by ending these wars or cutting defense.

Agree.

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Agree.

Cool, let's fight even more wars then, after all, like Cheney said, deficits don't matter... ::)

Defence spending and wars are costs that are not actually part of the debt, that's good to know.
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Cool, let's fight even more wars then, after all, like Cheney said, deficits don't matter... ::)

Defence spending and wars are costs that are not actually part of the debt, that's good to know.

Who said anything about fighting more wars?  The issue was whether cutting the defense budget would solve our debt/deficit problems.  It will not.  Defense spending makes up about 25 percent of our federal spending. 

Saying we shouldn't cut defense spending doesn't mean you support "more wars."  That's silly. 

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Who said anything about fighting more wars?  The issue was whether cutting the defense budget would solve our debt/deficit problems.  It will not.  Defense spending makes up about 25 percent of our federal spending. 

Saying we shouldn't cut defense spending doesn't mean you support "more wars."  That's silly. 

That was not the point; everything needs to be cut, defence, entitlements, everything but conservatives only think that entitlements should be cut and liberals think only defence should get cut. There are lots of military people who think there is too much waste in military spending and the Iraq and Afghan wars have accelerated the debt problems; solve them? not but it would help a lot and there is no denying that.
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No.

I don't know if Paul supporters are out doing dumb stuff.  That's not what I meant.  I think they do a good job of inflating online polls or anyplace where there may be a small turnout and they can block vote, like the Iowa straw poll.  What makes a lot of his supporters fanatical and unreasonable is they refuse to look at the actual election results (like 2008), and make claims like he would be a frontrunner if there wasn't some media conspiracy to suppress his support. 

They refuse to take an objective look at the only thing that matters:  votes on election day.  For example, you won't find any Ron Paul fanatics addressing things like this:  http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=394271.0 

One of the questions I asked in that thread is how he can win the nomination if he's unable to win his home state?  How does he do it? 
Even Jon Stewart did a good job of proving there is a move by the media to exclude the guy.  The only person I see with a CT here is you.  Your theory is that a very small group of people are able to fund the hell out of Paul and able to sway every internet poll and many straw polls lol...