What is the best way to use slin pre-workout

[Dans]

been doing research but not really finding anything that looks solid what do you guys think?

[lesaucer]

the best way to use slin pre-workout is to inject your insulin, and then proceed to working out.

[Dans]

you make it sound so simple

[makaveli25]

I just read a pretty good thread about this over at Rx muscle and PM muscle. It seems like a lot of work you have to time everything just right. You have a solid meal an hour before going to the gym then take a preworkout shake consisiting of bcaas, glutamine, creatine, and fast digesting carb. Start with 5 iu work way up to 10-15 i.u humolog. Slam half the shake dilute the other half take to gym and sip during workout. Post workout have another shake and then eat a solid meal. Seems like a lot of work but I guess It really works like no other.

[lesaucer]

i dont recommend humalog, i prefer humulin r because its in your system during your training, and several hours post workout. this is my protocol: shoot 20ius humulin-r, eat 2 pop tards (70g carbs,0fat), 45mins later drink 500ml of fruit juice (around 60g carbs) and go training. drink 500ml fruit juice again right after training, then eat a solid meal with lots of protein 1 or 2 hours after. you can up the slin dose but when you do so you will have to eat your solid meal faster because after your training you will go hypo if it takes you too long to eat

[makaveli25]

i dont recommend humalog, i prefer humulin r because its in your system during your training, and several hours post workout. this is my protocol: shoot 20ius humulin-r, eat 2 pop tards (70g carbs,0fat), 45mins later drink 500ml of fruit juice (around 60g carbs) and go training. drink 500ml fruit juice again right after training, then eat a solid meal with lots of protein 1 or 2 hours after. you can up the slin dose but when you do so you will have to eat your solid meal faster because after your training you will go hypo if it takes you too long to eat

Thanks for this info good info! What would you say are the advantages doing it this way? Have you tried humolog? I've been using gear for years moderate doses. I build myself up to about 215 then come off get a little chubbier go back on and just get back to that lean 215. I don't have the money for gh but want to blast through my plateau without increasing my aas dose.

[tbombz]

ditch the pre workout slin, just eat a banana 30 mins prior, maybe sip some gatorade during.. same results.


if u wanna use slin try long acting. works better, no need to consume extra carbs, no chance of going hypo.  but you probably wont benefit much from any kind of slin, no matter the dose, most guys dont. just makes you full while its active.  massive guys who havent used slin before benefit cause their bodies cant produce enough on its own. the average juicer doesnt have that problem.

I don't have the money for gh but want to blast through my plateau without increasing my aas dose.

not gonna happen.. sorry bro..  at least not "blast" through it.. slowly inch past it over time.. sure.. if you stay on the whole time

[makaveli25]

ditch the pre workout slin, just eat a banana 30 mins prior, maybe sip some gatorade during.. same results.


if u wanna use slin try long acting. works better, no need to consume extra carbs, no chance of going hypo.  but you probably wont benefit much from any kind of slin, no matter the dose, most guys dont. just makes you full while its active.  massive guys who havent used slin before benefit cause their bodies cant produce enough on its own. the average juicer doesnt have that problem.

 not gonna happen.. sorry bro..  at least not "blast" through it.. slowly inch past it over time.. sure.. if you stay on the whole time

Your right. I come off for close to half the year. I haven't put on that much weight in the last 2 years. It's mostly maintaining and polishing. I want a little more size now.

[lesaucer]

ditch the pre workout slin, just eat a banana 30 mins prior, maybe sip some gatorade during.. same results.


if u wanna use slin try long acting. works better, no need to consume extra carbs, no chance of going hypo.  but you probably wont benefit much from any kind of slin, no matter the dose, most guys dont. just makes you full while its active.  massive guys who havent used slin before benefit cause their bodies cant produce enough on its own. the average juicer doesnt have that problem.

 not gonna happen.. sorry bro..  at least not "blast" through it.. slowly inch past it over time.. sure.. if you stay on the whole time

balonie! never use long acting slin unless you use gh. your body dont produce his own gh if insulin level are high

[tbombz]

you can talk shit but experience is the only way your gonna know.. i have tried every kind of insulin, in every imaginable doseage and protocol.. long acting slin destroys fast acting.. no comparison.  

also, dont think about drugs from that kind of viewpoint. its not going to do you any good. experiment. thats the way to find what works and what doesnt. not reading endocrinology books. while it might make sense in your head and on paper, the only thing that matters is what happens when you try it in the real world.

[lesaucer]

you can talk shit but experience is the only way your gonna know.. i have tried every kind of insulin, in every imaginable doseage and protocol.. long acting slin destroys fast acting.. no comparison.  

also, dont think about drugs from that kind of viewpoint. its not going to do you any good. experiment. thats the way to find what works and what doesnt. not reading endocrinology books. while it might make sense in your head and on paper, the only thing that matters is what happens when you try it in the real world.

maybe if you wouldnt use long acting slin you would not have to wonder why you still cant see your abs. just saying man, cant get lean when your insulin level are always high 24/7..

[tbombz]

maybe if you wouldnt use long acting slin you would not have to wonder why you still cant see your abs. just saying man, cant get lean when your insulin level are always high 24/7..

I DONT USE IT ANYMORE, BUT THATS SOME STUPID SHIT RIGHT THERE BRO, IF YOUR IN A CALORIE DEFECIT IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT YOUR INSULIN LEVELS ARE YOU WILL LOSE WEIGHT.

 IN FACT THE HIGHER INSULIN LEVELS ARE THE MORE MUSCLE YOU WOULD RETAIN WHILE GETTING LEANER. GO READ THE BIBLE SON, GH15 EVEN SAYS.. THE FIRST THING YOULL NOTICE WITH INSULIN IS A DROP IN BODYWEIGHT.

[lesaucer]

I DONT USE IT ANYMORE, BUT THATS SOME STUPID SHIT RIGHT THERE BRO, IF YOUR IN A CALORIE DEFECIT IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT YOUR INSULIN LEVELS ARE YOU WILL LOSE WEIGHT.

 IN FACT THE HIGHER INSULIN LEVELS ARE THE MORE MUSCLE YOU WOULD RETAIN WHILE GETTING LEANER. GO READ THE BIBLE SON, GH15 EVEN SAYS.. THE FIRST THING YOULL NOTICE WITH INSULIN IS A DROP IN BODYWEIGHT.

you would lose weight yes, while keeping muscle too, if you're on gear.  but something tell me that having zero gh release isnt good for the shape, right?

[chess315]

you can talk shit but experience is the only way your gonna know.. i have tried every kind of insulin, in every imaginable doseage and protocol.. long acting slin destroys fast acting.. no comparison.  

also, dont think about drugs from that kind of viewpoint. its not going to do you any good. experiment. thats the way to find what works and what doesnt. not reading endocrinology books. while it might make sense in your head and on paper, the only thing that matters is what happens when you try it in the real world.

what kind of insulin do you advocate and dosage the main problem I see with the long acting most people use much more of the long acting up to a 100ius that gets expensive about the price of a decent gh run at that point. I guess if you got it from a friend/family that had insurance it wouldnt be bad. I would like to try lantus but it would be very expensive at the dosage needed to get the result like 8-10 dollars a day

[tbombz]

you would lose weight yes, while keeping muscle too, if you're on gear.  but something tell me that having zero gh release isnt good for the shape, right?

calorie defecit = fat loss.. doesnt matter if your on 200ius of insulin a day.. no need to be on gear..

gh release would not be inhibited. your making connections that dont connect. gh is released for numerous different reasons. not simply as a metabolic hormone opposed to insulin.  however, if the body is releasing insulin, then gh release will be blunted. but the body releasing insulin is something very different than injecting exogenous insulin. specifically with long acting insulin, youd probably actually cause a bump in baseline gh levels throughout the day as the increased insulin levels without a correspondant increase in blood glucose levels calls for an increase in the opposing hormone to keep blood sugar levels stable.. and that opposing hormone is GH.

what kind of insulin do you advocate and dosage the main problem I see with the long acting most people use much more of the long acting up to a 100ius that gets expensive about the price of a decent gh run at that point. I guess if you got it from a friend/family that had insurance it wouldnt be bad. I would like to try lantus but it would be very expensive at the dosage needed to get the result like 8-10 dollars a day

i dont advocate insulin.. but if someone was going to use it i suggest long acting as it works better.. and yeah its quite expensive to use it at the doseages which illicit good results.. 100ius isnt shit.. i went up to 150iu with no problems.. i imagine theres quite a few guys out there who use 200iu + per day of lantus..   

[Nasty Nate]

I'm 5'8 and was 235 offseason, started slin and went to 245 really quickly then stayed there like how i hovered around 230-235 before the slin. Now, obviously since it happened in about 10 days we can assume it was just water weight and that it gave me no new muscle. Once i started my prep at 12 weeks out, I kept the slin in but low dosage and dropped back to 235 anyway. See, just water weight.

Like gh15 says insulin gives you WEIGHT, not MUSCLE. AAS and GH are what give you more true muscle size, then the insulin will keep your weight moving up along with this. I've only used R. Lantus is too expensive for me it would be about $7 minimum per day if i was gonna use it. GH is expensive enough.

[Nasty Nate]

And to add to this, one of my buddies is 6' was 280 last offseason and couldn't gain anymore weight, so he added slin and got up to 300 in the same fashion my weight went up. Said he just felt like shit and got more bloated. Weight went back down just as fast as it went up when he started his contest prep.

[Nasty Nate]

This guy doesn't use slin and he's in the 250's... Told me he tried Novolin-R for a week and didn't like the fluctuating BG levels because he usually only eats 4 times a day, huge meals and usually 50% junk food. Just said plainly he was too lazy to keep up with the eating every 2 hrs... I always find if i'm takin it all day i'd have to eat every 2hrs too... annoying I found.

He cruises on 1.5g AAS + 5iu's GH + T3
His drugs here are 3-4g AAS + 10iu's GH + T3=

[chess315]

  I totally agree with you on everything tbombz that the long would prolly be optimal but at like i said at the the dosages you could run 10is of gh and humalin it just wouldnt be really sensible. I mean lantus goes for around 80 bucks for a 1000ius

[claymore]

"ditch the pre workout slin, just eat a banana 30 mins prior, maybe sip some gatorade during.. same results."....

[thelamefalsehood]

"ditch the pre workout slin, just eat a banana 30 mins prior, maybe sip some gatorade during.. same results."....

I wondered when someone else would read that little gem

[tbombz]

 for the average weightlifter all thats needed to achieve maximum anabolic/anti-catabolic effects from insulin is about a 20g glucose load..   idiots. the human body releases plenty of insulin all on its own.  go ahead and keep injecting insulin and wasting your money, hell if you believe its working it probably will, nothing like a good old placebo effect.

[thelamefalsehood]

for the average weightlifter all thats needed to achieve maximum anabolic/anti-catabolic effects from insulin is about a 20g glucose load..   idiots. the human body releases plenty of insulin all on its own.  go ahead and keep injecting insulin and wasting your money, hell if you believe its working it probably will, nothing like a good old placebo effect.

So if Arnold had only ate a couple bananas before and or after training, he would be 30-40 pounds heavier and as big as Coleman or Cutler. Got it!!! Thanks Tbombz!!!

[flinstones1]

for the average weightlifter all thats needed to achieve maximum anabolic/anti-catabolic effects from insulin is about a 20g glucose load..   idiots. the human body releases plenty of insulin all on its own.  go ahead and keep injecting insulin and wasting your money, hell if you believe its working it probably will, nothing like a good old placebo effect.

I'm done with that shit, Yeah I thought it was working but eh..could of just been cause i was on a higher dose of steroids.  it also aged my skin somewhat made me look older..also no fun having to take a shot before you want to eat somethin.

. Remember Van talked about this, how  the higher dose most guys use is 10iu for example post workout. But studies show that the pancreas can easily pump out as much insulin equivalent to a 10iu shot by eating a simple candy bar. When you add in the factor that most guys fuck up with their physique with it is it worth it?

 BUT look at kevin levrone and all those guys from the 90's, can we really deny the fact that insulin did not play a LARGE role to those monsters we saw on stage?  I have even seen you respond to gh15 when asked abotu slin ..you said ""yes and no look at kevin levrone and how some guys pull it off".  Maybe it was the gh and the insulin had NOTHING to do with it?  Who knows. Not disagreeing with you, but to say "insulin is worthless" that's a pretty heavy statement that I'm sure alot of world class bodybuilders would disagree with if you asked them.

[flinstones1]

i dont recommend humalog, i prefer humulin r because its in your system during your training, and several hours post workout. this is my protocol: shoot 20ius humulin-r, eat 2 pop tards (70g carbs,0fat), 45mins later drink 500ml of fruit juice (around 60g carbs) and go training. drink 500ml fruit juice again right after training, then eat a solid meal with lots of protein 1 or 2 hours after. you can up the slin dose but when you do so you will have to eat your solid meal faster because after your training you will go hypo if it takes you too long to eat

Carbs do not built muscle, gear and protein do