This guy claims NATURAL - 7 year progress

[mass243]

Musclecenter has been training clean for over 40 yrs....




 

Oh shit, I forgot MuscleCenter. Well, he is an exception that proves the rule  

[devilsmile]

stop reading bb.com or whatever crap you got that from.

Could be, if he followed the Weider principles. Drugs are only the finishing 5% after all..

I am JUST saying.

If he had trained 15 years, I would believe that he's a natty.... but 7 years, I doubt it because he would have had to be very dedicated to his rest/overtraining avoidance/proper training which usually is unlikely but it does happend.

Either way I'm not losing my sleep. He could be natural, or not.

[Schmoe Buster]

this negro is on anadrol

Yes the chocolate face likes his orals, most likely too much thats why his skin looks different in the 7 year pic

[Galvatron]

I am JUST saying.

If he had trained 15 years, I would believe that he's a natty.... but 7 years, I doubt it because he would have had to be very dedicated to his rest/overtraining avoidance/proper training which usually is unlikely but it does happend.

Either way I'm not losing my sleep. He could be natural, or not.

dude 15 or 7 it doesn't matter, after 3-5 years of serious natural training nothing will happen as far lbm is concerned....anyways he wasn't clean after 3 years. this guy has been hormonized for several years.

gotta be realistic dude

this guy is probably over at bb.com claiming he built his mass using up the mass or some other shit  

[Dr Dutch]

dude 15 or 7 it doesn't matter, after 3-5 years of serious natural training nothing will happen as far lbm is concerned....anyways he wasn't clean after 3 years. this guy has been hormonized for several years.

gotta be realistic dude

this guy is probably over at bb.com claiming he built his mass using up the mass or some other shit  

Up his ass is more likely...

[johnnynoname]

Black Guy Genes + minimal gear

[dave19]

I am JUST saying.

If he had trained 15 years, I would believe that he's a natty.... but 7 years, I doubt it because he would have had to be very dedicated to his rest/overtraining avoidance/proper training which usually is unlikely but it does happend.

Either way I'm not losing my sleep. He could be natural, or not.

You're not going to make a lot of progress after 7 years of consistent and dedicated lifting.

I don't really know anyone who has made big improvements after let's say lifting seriously for 5 years - after that you've built your foundation and you'll just be able to do minor changes to your physique mostly in terms of bodyfat percentage but not real muscular gain.

Eventually a natural will start to decline after lifting for a very long time ... natural hormone levels dropping , maybe some injuries preventing from real heavy lifting etc..

With that said I doubt the guy is natural but he's got a good body and probably very good genes for building muscle.. and with natural freaks like adrain around I would not put my money on it.

[SF1900]

You're not going to make a lot of progress after 7 years of consistent and dedicated lifting.

I don't really know anyone who has made big improvements after let's say lifting seriously for 5 years - after that you've built your foundation and you'll just be able to do minor changes to your physique mostly in terms of bodyfat percentage but not real muscular gain.

Eventually a natural will start to decline after lifting for a very long time ... natural hormone levels dropping , maybe some injuries preventing from real heavy lifting etc..

With that said I doubt the guy is natural but he's got a good body and probably very good genes for building muscle.. and with natural freaks like adrain around I would not put my money on it.

I hope you were being sarcastic when you said that adrain is a natural freak! 

[devilsmile]

you guys have got to be fucking kiding me   ...

most people don't even start gaining good muscle untill 7 years of lifting because they train like shit.

To think that this guy has trained sufficiently and correctly for 7 years I have no reason to doubt his natural status.

However, if he has been doing all the mistakes i have done in training and he looks like that, then I raise my eyebrow, no matter how black he is.

[dave19]

I hope you were being sarcastic when you said that adrain is a natural freak! 

Forgot to add     .. even if he was indeed natural what sounds like complete and utter bullshit everyone believing him would be stupid as it's way more likely that he is just a liar... but well you've got billions of people believing in some books written ages ago with ridiculous claims in it without any proof whatsoever so it does not suprise me that much.

[Galvatron]

you guys have got to be fucking kiding me   ...

most people don't even start gaining good muscle untill 7 years of lifting because they train like shit.

To think that this guy has trained sufficiently and correctly for 7 years I have no reason to doubt his natural status.

However, if he has been doing all the mistakes i have done in training and he looks like that, then I raise my eyebrow, no matter how black he is.

you live in lala land.

notice i said 3-5 years of serious training

[BiGHer]

Lol he's definitely natural  .  Here we go again kids... Let me explain how the next 4 pages of threads will go:

- It'll start just like this by pointing out the obvious that he is indeed not natural.
- GetBigs natural all stars will all come swarming like sharks with blood in the water explaining that everyone who thinks he isn't natural is just lazy and that this physique can easily be achieved but that guys on gear just don't understand because they don't diet or train nearly as hard as any of they do.
- Then the gh15 crew will come in and bring up about 100 fairly decent points with pictures to back them including the obvious liar Layne Norton.
- Arguments between the gh15 crew and natural all stars will then continue about what genetic potential really is, what the meaning of "natural" really is, and how there are actually a few natural "exceptions" out there and somehow every natural thinks they are that exception.
- Now in comes gh15.  He will make solid points by pointing out different things in the photo that clearly point to drug use.
- Natural all stars are now furious.  their god Layne Norton has been smited and now a posting argument between all of them and gh15 ensues.
- Eventually, gh15 gets tired of responding to the usual BS and stops.  A few more comments are made and the thread dies out...

End this thread now... until next time GetBiggers!!!

We are starting to enter the BOLD area of what I outlines... to be continued... keep going guys, this never gets old... Why do we all care so much about who's natural and who's not??  Is it to inspire the natural guys so they can continue to hope that they'll look like a juicer without juice??  Not sure... let's keep going and find out lol

[apply85]

anadrol is what guy sin the ghetto get, they get it from other guys in the ghetto who get it from their doctors because they have aids/hiv, they sell them for money or for drugs of course to other dealers or whatever

[dave19]

you guys have got to be fucking kiding me   ...

most people don't even start gaining good muscle untill 7 years of lifting because they train like shit.

To think that this guy has trained sufficiently and correctly for 7 years I have no reason to doubt his natural status.

However, if he has been doing all the mistakes i have done in training and he looks like that, then I raise my eyebrow, no matter how black he is.

Sure beginners usually do make a lot of mistakes but the guys who stick with it for years usually start to read up on training and nutrition after a while. And even the worst training will still put on a lot of muscle on someone who was just born to be big and muscular while even the best routines and scientific approaches are not going to turn someone who was not meant to be big into anything impressive physique wise... so in my opinion genetic matters way more than your workouts or nutrition as long as you train hard and eat enough.

[Galvatron]

We are starting to enter the BOLD area of what I outlines... to be continued... keep going guys, this never gets old... Why do we all care so much about who's natural and who's not??  Is it to inspire the natural guys so they can continue to hope that they'll look like a juicer without juice??  Not sure... let's keep going and find out lol

some guys want to believe so badly that anything is possible as a natural as long as you train for many years

3-5 years of serious training (year 1-3 90%..3-5 99%) and you have basically maxed out your lean body mass...you can diet and gain fat etc but you aint growing

i know people who think they are making gains after 10 years of training  ...they may be able to get stronger but they aint growing.

another thing is that a lot of people seem to think that the exact routine makes a huge difference, it doesn't....it's just details what is important is that you are consistent, have decent lifting technique so that you actually target the muscles and mind muscle connection and, put enough effort into the training + sufficient calories

[devilsmile]

some guys want to believe so badly that anything is possible as a natural as long as you train for many years

3-5 years of serious training (year 1-3 90%..3-5 99%) and you have basically maxed out your lean body mass...you can diet and gain fat etc but you aint growing

i know people who think they are making gains after 10 years of training  ...they may be able to get stronger but they aint growing.

I didn't say EVERYTHING is possible for naturals  . I'm just saying he may be natural, PERIOD! You're just babling "lalalalaal" at this point. It's allways weird how someone is dedicating time to convinse a stranger in a getbig forum that NONONO HE USES DRUGS, I INSIST! What the fuck, man!

Sure beginners usually do make a lot of mistakes but the guys who stick with it for years usually start to read up on training and nutrition after a while. And even the worst training will still put on a lot of muscle on someone who was just born to be big and muscular while even the best routines and scientific approaches are not going to turn someone who was not meant to be big into anything impressive physique wise... so in my opinion genetic matters way more than your workouts or nutrition as long as you train hard and eat enough.

Exactly.

you live in lala land.

notice i said 3-5 years of serious training

Yeah your word is all I need, tsssh 

you can't prove either way in his case. I don't care which is true. If he is on some cycle. Great. If he is natural. Great. No difference to me.

[SF1900]

you guys have got to be fucking kiding me   ...

most people don't even start gaining good muscle untill 7 years of lifting because they train like shit.

To think that this guy has trained sufficiently and correctly for 7 years I have no reason to doubt his natural status.

However, if he has been doing all the mistakes i have done in training and he looks like that, then I raise my eyebrow, no matter how black he is.

You also have to remember it depends the age when he started. In your 30's, your muscles take on a different look (i guess muscle maturity), so if he has been training since mid 20's and is now in his 30's, and his muscles are really starting to develop, then its plausible he is natural. If he was like 21 and looked like this, then id say 100% drugs!

[dave19]

some guys want to believe so badly that anything is possible as a natural as long as you train for many years

3-5 years of serious training (year 1-3 90%..3-5 99%) and you have basically maxed out your lean body mass...you can diet and gain fat etc but you aint growing

i know people who think they are making gains after 10 years of training  ...they may be able to get stronger but they aint growing.

Yeah you're right.

A long time ago I was just like that .. but you know what you'll just end up frustrated about your own progress if you keep thinking anything is possible natural or even anything is possible for yourself. Nobody would think that anyone could become a rocket scientist but for some weird reason a lot of people want to believe that everyone can get massive. I blame the media for this ... just completely changed the idea of a good body. Some 50 or 60 years ago a body like Steve Reeves' was considered massive while nowadays he'd be just another Mens Health cover model .. and that makes people think it is easy to achieve a body like that while in reality it's not... it's just the "bodybuilders" who use steroids but not the fitness models .. yeah sure.

Just do the best with what you've got and be happy with the results as long as you know that you've put effort in it.

[devilsmile]

You also have to remember it depends the age when he started. In your 30's, your muscles take on a different look (i guess muscle maturity), so if he has been training since mid 20's and is now in his 30's, and his muscles are really starting to develop, then its plausible he is natural. If he was like 21 and looked like this, then id say 100% drugs!

tadaa!

[#1 Klaus fan]

you can't prove either way in his case. I don't care which is true.

Always turns to this with optimistic people. Sigh.

He could be natural, some folks really look into training before they start training. He probably has avoided all sorts of overtraining programs people do in the beginning.

How should a natural train?

[Galvatron]

I didn't say EVERYTHING is possible for naturals  . I'm just saying he may be natural, PERIOD! You're just babling "lalalalaal" at this point. It's allways weird how someone is dedicating time to convinse a stranger in a getbig forum that NONONO HE USES DRUGS, I INSIST! What the fuck, man!


Exactly.

Yeah your word is all I need, tsssh 

you can't prove either way in his case. I don't care which is true. If he is on some cycle. Great. If he is natural. Great. No difference to me.

at the end of the day i don't give a shit what you think, i'm not just posting for you. lots of kids are reading this site. this site is about keeping shit real.

[Nomad]

1 yr of lifting

Should be 70-80% of max gains aka most noob gains yet he looks like a skinny twink

3 years
 

Yet 3years later everything 2x as big. As natural as a gay guy getting anally fisted to death at a gay orgy.

dat ronnie coolman genetics??

All natural bro...just creatine and a multivitamin.

Lol he's definitely natural  .  Here we go again kids... Let me explain how the next 4 pages of threads will go:

- It'll start just like this by pointing out the obvious that he is indeed not natural.
- GetBigs natural all stars will all come swarming like sharks with blood in the water explaining that everyone who thinks he isn't natural is just lazy and that this physique can easily be achieved but that guys on gear just don't understand because they don't diet or train nearly as hard as any of they do.
- Then the gh15 crew will come in and bring up about 100 fairly decent points with pictures to back them including the obvious liar Layne Norton.
- Arguments between the gh15 crew and natural all stars will then continue about what genetic potential really is, what the meaning of "natural" really is, and how there are actually a few natural "exceptions" out there and somehow every natural thinks they are that exception.
- Now in comes gh15.  He will make solid points by pointing out different things in the photo that clearly point to drug use.
- Natural all stars are now furious.  their god Layne Norton has been smited and now a posting argument between all of them and gh15 ensues.
- Eventually, gh15 gets tired of responding to the usual BS and stops.  A few more comments are made and the thread dies out...

End this thread now... until next time GetBiggers!!!

What this guy said. Natural "believers" are just like Creationists . No matter how well you argue they always somehow manage to make a retard comeback till you give up.

[Galvatron]

You also have to remember it depends the age when he started. In your 30's, your muscles take on a different look (i guess muscle maturity), so if he has been training since mid 20's and is now in his 30's, and his muscles are really starting to develop, then its plausible he is natural. If he was like 21 and looked like this, then id say 100% drugs!

utter crap

[devilsmile]

utter crap

That was utter crap? Ok, you're a gimmick, you have to be  

You're some sort of "Galvatron" who tryes to be smart and knowledgable and you have that "galvatron" avatar. So don't worry about the kids reading this page because they allready laughed at you.

How should a natural train?

you tell me... If I started training for example with a pyramid training program when I started training I would probably be 80kg now instead of 75kg and with the same bodyfat etc. But I trained millions sets per excercise for almost 4 years.

[Galvatron]

That was utter crap? Ok, you're a gimmick, you have to be 

You're some sort of "Galvatron" who tryes to be smart and knowledgable and you have that "galvatron" avatar. So don't worry about the kids reading this page because they allready laughed at you.

you have seriously no clue what you are talking about.

22, 27 or 34 he ain't natural.

after 3-5 years of training you ain't growing.