Help - stuck at this body weight? What do I do?

[gh15]

Sorry to disaapoint you God !!

You are one funny fucker though.

I got a question for you ,no I won`t send it in a PM.........ready,here it is:

Q:What do the 3 people you hate most,Layne Norton,Ron Harris,and Mike Arnold,all have in common?

A:
THEY ALL POST UNDER THEIR REAL FUCKING NAMES!!

they all lie and for years,, ly notrom is not on any list he didnt comit crimes ,, the other 2...a diff DIFFFF story

gh15 approved

[wes]

that's because they are such narcisissts, and also that is why they lie, it gives them an incentive to lie both to make money and to hide things not approved by the US govt

Should they tell the Govt. anything that they may be doing that is illegal..............ass uming that they are of course?

[apply85]

Should they tell the Govt. anything that they may be doing that is illegal..............ass uming that they are of course?

... so now do you understand why gh15 stayign anonymous means he can tell the truth?

[Van_Bilderass]

Sorry to disaapoint you God !!

You are one funny fucker though.

I got a question for you ,no I won`t send it in a PM.........ready,here it is:

Q:What do the 3 people you hate most,Layne Norton,Ron Harris,and Mike Arnold,all have in common?

A:
THEY ALL POST UNDER THEIR REAL FUCKING NAMES!!

Are you sure Mike Arnold is really Mike Arnold as in real first and last name? Not variations on his name, not second or third names, etc. I have no idea except I'd be surprised if that's the name he uses IRL.

[Vince B]

I call bullshit on guys who give advice like gh15. Luke Wood was following his dream and died for it. Maybe he made some mistakes but the reality is he died while still a young guy. That shouldn't happen to the guys here who want to be bodybuilders. If gh15's advice is sound and this is what you have to do to be a champion then bodybuilding is dead. This is lunacy. gh15 and others who advocate these banned substances should be banned and castigated. The authorities should find out who he is and lock him up. If I owned this site I would be ashamed of what it has become. Ron might like hanging around bodybuilding contests but he isn't a bodybuilder and probably never will be one.

gh15 takes absolutely no responsibility for his advice. If guys who follow that advice get sick or die who is to blame? I shake my head when I read this shit on this forum. It has gone too damn far.

Send Leafy to Sydney and I will make him a natural champion within 6 months. No drugs, no nothing. Just hard training and a balanced diet. I can guarantee it will work and he will be healthy afterwards. What has he got to lose? Come to Sydney because it is our summer now. Your arms will be two inches bigger within 4 months. No steroids, no growth hormone, no oil, no pills, no injections and no supplements. That is a big lie. You don't need drugs. It is all bullshit spewed by internet nobodies who aren't responsible for what they say.

[dj181]

I call bullshit on guys who give advice like gh15. Luke Wood was following his dream and died for it. Maybe he made some mistakes but the reality is he died while still a young guy. That shouldn't happen to the guys here who want to be bodybuilders. If gh15's advice is sound and this is what you have to do to be a champion then bodybuilding is dead. This is lunacy. gh15 and others who advocate these banned substances should be banned and castigated. The authorities should find out who he is and lock him up. If I owned this site I would be ashamed of what it has become. Ron might like hanging around bodybuilding contests but he isn't a bodybuilder and probably never will be one.

gh15 takes absolutely no responsibility for his advice. If guys who follow that advice get sick or die who is to blame? I shake my head when I read this shit on this forum. It has gone too damn far.

Send Leafy to Sydney and I will make him a natural champion within 6 months. No drugs, no nothing. Just hard training and a balanced diet. I can guarantee it will work and he will be healthy afterwards. What has he got to lose? Come to Sydney because it is our summer now. Your arms will be two inches bigger within 4 months. No steroids, no growth hormone, no oil, no pills, no injections and no supplements. That is a big lie. You don't need drugs. It is all bullshit spewed by internet nobodies who aren't responsible for what they say.

Any updates on your arm project?

[WillGrant]

I call bullshit on guys who give advice like gh15. Luke Wood was following his dream and died for it. Maybe he made some mistakes but the reality is he died while still a young guy. That shouldn't happen to the guys here who want to be bodybuilders. If gh15's advice is sound and this is what you have to do to be a champion then bodybuilding is dead. This is lunacy. gh15 and others who advocate these banned substances should be banned and castigated. The authorities should find out who he is and lock him up. If I owned this site I would be ashamed of what it has become. Ron might like hanging around bodybuilding contests but he isn't a bodybuilder and probably never will be one.

gh15 takes absolutely no responsibility for his advice. If guys who follow that advice get sick or die who is to blame? I shake my head when I read this shit on this forum. It has gone too damn far.

Send Leafy to Sydney and I will make him a natural champion within 6 months. No drugs, no nothing. Just hard training and a balanced diet. I can guarantee it will work and he will be healthy afterwards. What has he got to lose? Come to Sydney because it is our summer now. Your arms will be two inches bigger within 4 months. No steroids, no growth hormone, no oil, no pills, no injections and no supplements. That is a big lie. You don't need drugs. It is all bullshit spewed by internet nobodies who aren't responsible for what they say.

So you are saying if you followed what you say and were on steroids within 6 months you could have 4 extra inches on your arms ? 

[Vince B]

I am not an expert in steroids so won't make any predictions re using them. A guy like Leafy has a good start so should respond to effective workouts using good equipment.

At the moment my arms are as big as they have been in the past which is quite pleasing. Exercise selection is more important than I thought. A similar exercise isn't as good as the effective one. Triceps need very specific equipment and technique to grow. I will see in the next month if I can get bigger arms than ever before. Today I will be modifiying my lying triceps machine to move the pulley higher. This should give more tension at the completion of the extensions. If it works I will modify the other men's lying extension machine.

[Max B]

Lol at adding 2 inches to your arms in 4 months.  I guess hes following the phil heath contest prep protocol

[biff]

I call bullshit on guys who give advice like gh15. Luke Wood was following his dream and died for it. Maybe he made some mistakes but the reality is he died while still a young guy. That shouldn't happen to the guys here who want to be bodybuilders. If gh15's advice is sound and this is what you have to do to be a champion then bodybuilding is dead. This is lunacy. gh15 and others who advocate these banned substances should be banned and castigated. The authorities should find out who he is and lock him up. If I owned this site I would be ashamed of what it has become. Ron might like hanging around bodybuilding contests but he isn't a bodybuilder and probably never will be one.

gh15 takes absolutely no responsibility for his advice. If guys who follow that advice get sick or die who is to blame? I shake my head when I read this shit on this forum. It has gone too damn far.

Send Leafy to Sydney and I will make him a natural champion within 6 months. No drugs, no nothing. Just hard training and a balanced diet. I can guarantee it will work and he will be healthy afterwards. What has he got to lose? Come to Sydney because it is our summer now. Your arms will be two inches bigger within 4 months. No steroids, no growth hormone, no oil, no pills, no injections and no supplements. That is a big lie. You don't need drugs. It is all bullshit spewed by internet nobodies who aren't responsible for what they say.

...all his muscle?


top level bb'ing has been about drugs for 40 years, vince. to say its 'dead' now, well, when was it ever really alive. niche endeavor from day one.

[Vince B]

Lol at adding 2 inches to your arms in 4 months.  I guess hes following the phil heath contest prep protocol

Come to my gym and I will prove this is fair dinkum. If your arms are about 16 1/2 cold then they will be 18 in two months....totally natural. Leafy will get 2 inch bigger arms in 4 months.

[Max B]

My arms are 17.5 cold when im
Clean

[wes]

Are you sure Mike Arnold is really Mike Arnold as in real first and last name? Not variations on his name, not second or third names, etc. I have no idea except I'd be surprised if that's the name he uses IRL.

No clue Van,was just using it as an example.

[howardroark]

All those guys saying that the OP could go further naturally... maybe he could, maybe he couldn't. It's all about genetics. But most people (in my experience) can't surpass 180-190lbs with <10% bodyfat at 5'9.

You need to lower estrogen in your body that will lower your body fat and show your abs without losing muscle make a diet including some of the following foods, Broccoli, cauliflower , cabbage, bell peppers, mangoes, pineapples , fish, brown rice, whole eggs, nuts, avacados, Remember that even a top pro on a shit load of roids has to go on a diet to really get cut.

What fucking bullshit. If you want to lower estrogen and get a harder body, why not take an AI or mast?

Wrong I have actually put clients on a diet to lower estrogen levels and it lowered their bodyfat, their abs are now visible and they did not lose any muscle. maybe if you where on my diet you could have a future as a solid bodybuilder.

You're so full of shit dude. You put your clients on a diet and it lowered their bodyfat... whoopdy doo! It's called CALORIES IN < CALORIES OUT, you motherfucking moron.

[Van_Bilderass]

Come to my gym and I will prove this is fair dinkum. If your arms are about 16 1/2 cold then they will be 18 in two months....totally natural. Leafy will get 2 inch bigger arms in 4 months.

You would not put a single millimeter on Leafy's arms after having him clean out. You couldn't even stop the inevitable loss of diameter as in loss of actual muscle tissue. Why do you talk about drug users when you admit you haven't a clue about drugs?

The only way his arms would "grow" is if you hit his arms with a ruler for a few hours every day and had him overtrain so they swelled up with fluid due to inflammation. OR if you fattened him up, but then it would be just that, fat.

You could put Leafy on all possible performance enhancing drugs AS well as your training program and those 2 inches would not happen in that time span. Not even close.

This guy has to be the biggest retard on this site, Howard included.

[WillGrant]

Come to my gym and I will prove this is fair dinkum. If your arms are about 16 1/2 cold then they will be 18 in two months....totally natural. Leafy will get 2 inch bigger arms in 4 months.

How lean will he be though ? Anyone can put size on by eating alot more and training but how much is muscle vs fat and water.
To put an inch on an advanced trainer like leafy he will be looking at a 10 - 15 pound body weight increase, so a 20 - 30 pd increase in bodyweight for 2 inches of lean tissue in 4 months . Sorry Vince no way , he couldnt do that with steroids , they speed up recovery and put size on faster than a natty could ever dream of but even with the help of thee drugs he couldnt do that - lean mass here not fat, 2 inches of fat/muscle/water then yes but he will look like ass.

[wes]

You would not put a single millimeter on Leafy's arms after having him clean out. You couldn't even stop the inevitable loss of diameter as in loss of actual muscle tissue. Why do you talk about drug users when you admit you haven't a clue about drugs?

The only way his arms would "grow" is if you hit his arms with a ruler for a few hours every day and had him overtrain so they swelled up with fluid due to inflammation. OR if you fattened him up, but then it would be just that, fat.

You could put Leafy on all possible performance enhancing drugs AS well as your training program and those 2 inches would not happen in that time span. Not even close.

^THIS^

[no one]

as always, will grant and van b bringing the brutal truth.

[wes]

as always, will grant and van b bringing the brutal truth.

Indeed.

[jude2]

George, right now im not really eating that much and im maintaining weight suprisingly. I don't want to get as fat as i did last year in the offseason because i wan't to improve my conditioning. I am getting stronger out of no where but i just don't see the growth. Am i just being impatient?

So gh15 is George. Leafy have u ever used gh. You don't have the gh shoulders that gh15 describes.

[apply85]

when van_b cusses at u u know u fucked up, that is like my mother throwing a shoe at me

[abijahmaniaco]

Why would any responsible adult post such dangerous drug advice to a young guy who wants to get more size? This site has gone to the dogs. gh15 should be put on a barge and towed outside the 200 mile limit and left there.

Get back in the gym and train for a few more years.

bodybuilding = drugs. deal with it.

[flinstones1]

times 2..van b is one guy you don't fuck with.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

So gh15 is George. Leafy have u ever used gh. You don't have the gh shoulders that gh15 describes.

I don't have or experience much of the things he describes. Infact if i were to go on the reeses pieces ice cream diet id get pretty fat. From what i could gather from my national level experience and many of the vets i've talked to this is an old mans sport. I just found out bboy was 40 today. I was talking with another national level guy thinking he was 29 and later found out he was 40 as well. Kuclo was in this game since he was 15 so he has a good 10 years experience on him. I have about half that. I think it is just one of those things im going to have to stick out for the long run. I could end up being 30 before i get to the level of achievement that i personally want out of this sport; the level where i can say "ok this is good" and sleep well at night.

[jude2]

I don't have or experience much of the things he describes. Infact if i were to go on the reeses pieces ice cream diet id get pretty fat. From what i could gather from my national level experience and many of the vets i've talked to this is an old mans sport. I just found out bboy was 40 today. I was talking with another national level guy thinking he was 29 and later found out he was 40 as well. Kuclo was in this game since he was 15 so he has a good 10 years experience on him. I have about half that. I think it is just one of those things im going to have to stick out for the long run. I could end up being 30 before i get to the level of achievement that i personally want out of this sport; the level where i can say "ok this is good" and sleep well at night.

Very good observation young man and attitude.