Liberalism Has Crushed Human Nature

[WillGrant]

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Fuckin post of the thread right thur  

[Reeves]

"Within good reason" and theism don't go hand-in-hand. You can't think anything with good reason when you think the universe is only 6,000 years old. 

Not all who follow the Christ (and I gather you are speaking of Christians given your 6,000 year supposition) think that and I know this from personal relationships with a few genuine Christians.  One thing that liberalism  and even conservatism, albeit to a lesser extent in my own personal experience, do is force people to focus on their supposed "differences" instead of the things we all have in common.  Black, white, have, have not, etc.

If we were truly as different as some would have us think, then how is it we can (as did my parents) have children together?    It is understandable that morals are often based in religious beliefs, but if those morals are true and good then how does it lesson that goodness, that truth and their relevance any if some think them given by a deity?

It does not.   No one needs a God to tell them what is right or wrong, but if we were in no need of any moral guidance and enforcement of same,  then why do we have laws and the police and military to enforce and protect us from ourselves?

Because we are at once both human and inhumane.    Ah well, thank you for listening to the rantings of an old man.  Be well.

[MikMaq]

I'm impressed. I haven't read much, some basics of macro economics.

Don't be the guy's a fucking retard, he knows ecomonics pretty good, but he's a retard when it comes to talking about people and actual reality. The guy lives in the land of greedy smucks. No class, and sure as hell no meaningful insight into anything worth while.

[SF1900]

Not all who follow the Christ (and I gather you are speaking of Christians given your 6,000 year supposition) think that and I know this from personal relationships with a few genuine Christians.  One thing that liberalism  and even conservatism, albeit to a lesser extent in my own personal experience, do is force people to focus on their supposed "differences" instead of the things we all have in common.  Black, white, have, have not, etc.

If we were truly as different as some would have us think, then how is it we can (as did my parents) have children together?    It is understandable that morals are often based in religious beliefs, but if those morals are true and good then how does it lesson that goodness, that truth and their relevance any if some think them given by a deity?

It does not.   No one needs a God to tell them what is right or wrong, but if we were in no need of any moral guidance and enforcement of same,  then why do we have laws and the police and military to enforce and protect us from ourselves?

Because we are at once both human and inhumane.    Ah well, thank you for listening to the rantings of an old man.  Be well.

What morals are you referring to? Where the old testament allows people to own slaves and to beat our wives and children?  Oh those, damn, forgot about those! 

[Natural Man]

Iran: Armageddon One Day Closer

by Austin Bay
November 8, 2011

In 1981, Israeli fighter-bombers attacked and destroyed Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor. That airstrike, widely condemned by the so-called civilized world, kept the truly barbaric Saddam Hussein from obtaining a nuclear weapon.

In 2011, three decades later, Iran's clerical dictatorship is moving ever closer to acquiring nuclear weapons, and the Israelis are threatening military action. Israel perceives an Iranian nuke as an existential threat, and with good reason. The apocalyptic kooks running Iran casually refer to Israel as a "one bomb state."

The latest International Atomic Energy Agency report on Iran's nuclear program, issued Tuesday, merely reconfirms what clear thinkers determined years ago: The Iranian regime knows how to hide a nuclear weapons development program in plain sight. So once again we are hearing demands for harsher anti-nuclear sanctions. Sanctions, however, will not deter Iran's nuclear quest.

In 2010, when he was CIA director, U.S. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta acknowledged that sanctions likely have limited effects on the Iran's program. Why? Because the ruling thugs want a bomb, desperately. Panetta didn't come right out and say it, but the Bush administration, correctly, reached that conclusion in 2003.

Regime change -- ideally, replacing the clerical dictatorship with a democracy -- would end the threat an Iranian nuclear weapons pose to Persian Gulf Arab states, Iraq, Turkey, Israel and Europe. Regime change is not impossible, and the ayatollahs know it. Iranian dissidents are the mullahs' biggest problem, not Israel. Encouraging Iranian dissidents and helping them, by covert means if necessary, must be U.S. policy.

It is a sad historical fact that when Iranian dissidents began demonstrating in the wake of the fraudulent June 2009 elections, the Obama administration failed to support them and missed an opportunity. Recall at the time that President Barack Obama was naively touting personal negotiations with the Tehran regime as the solution to Iran's nuclear threat. Toppling the regime internally, however, will take time. Meanwhile, the centrifuges spin, enriching Iran's uranium stockpile, Iranian scientists design warheads, and Armageddon draws one day closer.

A military strike on Iranian nuclear development and production facilities might set the program back several years, but Iranian strategists learned from Osirak. One decisive bombing strike on one central facility will not stop the mullahs' quest. Iran's nuclear facilities have been hardened (bunkered) and dispersed over a wide geographic area.

Israel does not have the conventional military assets to conduct multiple, sustained attacks on dispersed, hardened facilities, the kinds of attacks it would require to seriously damage Iran's program. The ballistic missile Israel tested last week could conceivably carry a deep-penetrating conventional warhead, but it looks like it is designed to deliver nuclear weapons.

A pre-emptive Israeli nuclear strike is a terrible thought.

This terrible thought is one reason the Israelis have used covert means to disrupt Iran's nuclear quest. Most security analysts credit Israeli computer scientists with creating Stuxnet, the computer virus that attacked computers and digital control devices used by Iranian nuclear scientists. The Stuxnet infection hindered Iran's nuclear program but has not destroyed it.

The prospect of an Israeli pre-emptive nuclear strike is another reason a U.S.-led attack on Iranian nuclear facilities may ultimately be the least-worst option. Let me repeat that: U.S.-led. The U.S. is the only nation that has the conventional military assets to destroy the Iranian nuclear threat, so forget cutesy notions of leading from behind.

Over the last decade, numerous plans for attacking Iranian nuclear facilities have appeared in the press. A "simultaneous strategic bombing strike" (described by StrategyPage.com in 2003) is one U.S. attack option. In a short time frame, aircraft, cruise missiles and perhaps ballistic missiles with conventional warheads would deliver hundreds of precision weapons, hitting nuclear targets and air defense sites. Follow-up raids on surviving facilities could continue for weeks.

A risky option? Of course, risky politically and militarily. However, a nuclear-armed Iranian Islamic revolutionary government is also a political and military risk.

http://www.strategypage.com/on_point/20111108212858.aspx

[Reeves]

What morals are you referring to? Where the old testament allows people to own slaves and to beat our wives and children?  Oh those, damn, forgot about those! 

I "forgot" nothing and will thank you not to infer it.    I refer primarily to the New Testament and the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.  Be careful lest it appears that as with so many people you appear to be able to find fault in anything or anyone.

Except yourself. 

[SF1900]

I "forgot" nothing and will thank you not to infer it.    I refer primarily to the New Testament and the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.  Be careful lest it appears that as with so many people you appear to be able to find fault in anything or anyone.

Except yourself. 

haha, oh no, I definitely have tons of faults. It appears that theists are the one's who cant find fault in anything. I mean, they believe the bible is the end all and be all of everything!

[Soul Crusher]

I'm impressed. I haven't read much, some basics of macro economics.

I am a fan of Austrian ideas on economics.   Hazlitts famed Economics in One Lesson is still a masterpiece.   

[Dokey111]

Coach, I'm sorry, but no one here respects you.   

[Coach is Back!]

Don't care so don't be sorry.

[KevinP85]

Well, take a look at CA and see if Liberialism works and that idiot Jerry brown

[Coach is Back!]

Funny, if you don't agree with the left you get called names and people telling you that "no one respects you" but for whatever reason they can't give a reason. Just name calling. I have no respect for liberalism or the people that support the views but at least I can come up with a sizable list as of why.

[reppingfor20]

Anyone who listens to or gets their social commentary from Rush is an idiot!!!

x2!  Think for yourself.  Liberalism is evolution of society, conservatism is like still living in the caves.  Cave dweller coach still wants no abortions, no alcohol sold on sundays, and is ok with presidential candidates sexually harassing many woman, what a hypocrite.

[reppingfor20]

the atheist religion which is a mix of feminism, humanism, socialo communism, individualism, consumerism, ,materialism, hedonism AND liberalism is indeed crushing human nature. When people living in extreme confort dont want to reproduce anymore and sink into addictions ,drugs until the lineage ends, when inter generational links, couple relationships and parents-kids relationships are destroyed, it's pretty clear that someone somewhere will find out abandonning religion so boldly wasnt such as of a great idea as it seemed to be in the first place. Look at our societies, they are morally, spiritually, socially, economically collapsing.

The only cure is a massive rechristianisation of north america. The fall of atheist europe in the hands of muslims who will ally with chinese will be the wake up call for americans who will ally with canadians and will build a huge wall at the mexican border to protect themselves from the rest of the world.

There will be two sides; the sino muslim alliance that will occupy eurasia, australia, africa, and the last christian rampart in north america that will be inhabited by the fleeing last christians from europe, jews from israel and japanese after more tsumamis and radioaactive leaks ruin their island once and for all. Then there will be the final fight between these two juggernauts for the last remaining ressources on earth.

It's all written in the Bible, always has been.

Do you want massive deaths from blood loving Christians anymore than they kill now?  Muslim all over the world would be world peace and woman acting correctly, think about it.  Who kills more people, Christians or Muslims, Christians by x10000.

[reppingfor20]

No , he said this years before be got busted , obviously that doesn't apply to him , typical hypocrite.

bwhwhahhahah owned, Rush is just another white christian, GOP, poor hating, hypocrite like coach.

[reppingfor20]

No, what has crushed human nature is extreme morons like Coach (sorry, coach, no offense). Those that cling so blindly to one side, that they they fail to see another persons view. Coach is so blinded by theism and the republican party that he can't see anything beyond that. So even if Coach did agree with a democratic or liberal view, he would toss it out of its mind because of the source. If Coach knew that idea was a good idea for mankind, he still would not accept it because it came from a democrat or liberal. This is no good.

I consider myself an independent. As long as the idea makes sense, I dont care where it came from. Coach does. That is the problem.

ya know College helps you have an open mind and listen and have a debate and see both sides, it's sad Coach never could graduate, that is why he is like that.

[reppingfor20]

I agree! Even if it did for Coach, he still would not agree with it if it came from a liberal.  Coach doesn't care what's good for humanity, only what is good for himself, religious nutjobs and conservatives.

Truth! x2

[Coach is Back!]

You have to be the DUMBEST guy on here.

[reppingfor20]

Funny, if you don't agree with the left you get called names and people telling you that "no one respects you" but for whatever reason they can't give a reason. Just name calling. I have no respect for liberalism or the people that support the views but at least I can come up with a sizable list as of why.

sounds familiar, oh it's you who name calls all the time and accuses people of stuff and has no proof, pure hypocrite again.

[Coach is Back!]

Obviously you didn't read my past posts. College has made you dumber. No commonsense what so ever!

[KevinP85]

"reppinforcocks," is just a leech off society. A dumb fuck who wants everything handed to him while he takes cocks up the ass!

[Emmortal]

Do you want massive deaths from blood loving Christians anymore than they kill now?  Muslim all over the world would be world peace and woman acting correctly, think about it.  Who kills more people, Christians or Muslims, Christians by x10000.

I guess you forgot about the part where Muslims were the sole reason for the Crusades and that they had been raping, murdering and slaughtering Christians for decades prior to the Crusades starting.  People always love to leave that part out of history when commenting about the evils of Christians.

[reppingfor20]

"reppinforcocks," is just a leech off society. A dumb fuck who wants everything handed to him while he takes cocks up the ass!

great reply, another name calling conservative.  When all else fails just call people names like a 12 year old.

[SF1900]

coach, its quite obvious you are an extremist! I have met people who are republican and conservative, but you take it to the extreme. You have shut off your mind from anything that doesn't wreak of god or or republican ways. I don't know, seems like a pretty close minded way to view things.

[reppingfor20]

I guess you forgot about the part where Muslims were the sole reason for the Crusades and that they had been raping, murdering and slaughtering Christians for decades prior to the Crusades starting.  People always love to leave that part out of history when commenting about the evils of Christians.

I am sure you are exaggerating, but they knew what evil Christianity is, and they were trying to destroy it before it came and killed so many people as it has today in the name of Christianity.  The atomic bomb on japan twice, all the christian USA wars killing innocents, wow, Muslims were right all along to try and eliminate it.