Unamerican, traitor's tax evading people

[Grape Ape]

I am sure Mr Cain would have been notified there was a complaint about him and maybe a settlement.  If he cared about his image he would have wanted to fight the charges and get a lawyer, look what it has done to him down the road, it has ruined his chances for president.  Some money vs your character doesn't always matter if you aren't in the public eye, but Cain is, so he would want to protect his character at all costs so he wouldn't be dealing with the stuff he is now dealing with.

Now you are changing the argument again.  You're changing context.  What you typed was not what we were discussing.

[reppingfor20]

"Quote from: Grape Ape on November 11, 2011, 07:36:07 PM
Right on cue you again show how little practical knowledge you have about anything.

Companies settle all the time, guilt being irrelevant.  It's all about cost mitigation.

If you don't counter with something tangible, you lose.  That's one isolated example of many I've seen with your posts."

I am replying to what you posted in your last post, you quoted two things, the last quote for some reason doesn't show up when I quote your post.

[tonymctones]

I am sure Mr Cain would have been notified there was a complaint about him and maybe a settlement.  If he cared about his image he would have wanted to fight the charges and get a lawyer, look what it has done to him down the road, it has ruined his chances for president.  Some money vs your character doesn't always matter if you aren't in the public eye, but Cain is, so he would want to protect his character at all costs so he wouldn't be dealing with the stuff he is now dealing with.

wasnt the suit that got settled involving the company he used to work for?

didnt they settle after he left?

[tonymctones]

People who pay an accountant to get through all the loopholes to get their tax rate down so they don't have to pay their fair share should be kicked out of this country or tried for treason, nuff said.

what of the ppl who pay no income taxes without an accountant?

are they equally as treasonous?

[reppingfor20]

what of the ppl who pay no income taxes without an accountant?

are they equally as treasonous?

they would be called very poor. 

[tonymctones]

they would be called very poor. 

hahahah so 50% of the country is "very poor"?

[reppingfor20]

hahahah so 50% of the country is "very poor"?

yes

[GigantorX]

People who pay an accountant to get through all the loopholes to get their tax rate down so they don't have to pay their fair share should be kicked out of this country or tried for treason, nuff said.

Hello Troll!

Anyways, your post is fucking retarded as are you.

Someone is a traitor for taking advantage of legal loopholes in the tax code?

Fuck off, Samson.

[reppingfor20]

Hello Troll!

Anyways, your post is fucking retarded as are you.

Someone is a traitor for taking advantage of legal loopholes in the tax code?

Fuck off, Samson.

Yes they are, they know what their tax rate is, they get a lower one by using sneaky techniques.  Terrible people, shame on them, shame on the rich.

[tonymctones]

Yes they are, they know what their tax rate is, they get a lower one by using sneaky techniques.  Terrible people, shame on them, shame on the rich.

they dont get a lower rate they get deductions and credits the same that anyone else can do.

you think that 50% dont pay income tax simply b/c they dont make enough or b/c they get credits and deductions?

[reppingfor20]

they dont get a lower rate they get deductions and credits the same that anyone else can do.

you think that 50% dont pay income tax simply b/c they dont make enough or b/c they get credits and deductions?

which effectively makes them pay what a 28%(depending on what deductions etc they use) tax bracket would be.  Where does this broad 50% figure come from, never knew it was that straight forward 50%.  The poor don't pay income tax because they can't afford it.  The rich are suppose to make up for it, but try to get around it.  They are terrible people, not helping the poor and helping themselves, thieves they are.  The poor pay many other taxes though, state, local, sales, the are loyal patriots.

[tonymctones]

http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/14/pf/taxes/who_pays_income_taxes/index.htm

"45% of households, or about 69 million, will end up owing nothing in federal income tax"

lol so 50% of the country is to poor to afford to pay any income tax?

how are the rich theives? who are they stealing from?

the rich pay those same taxes as well on top of federal income tax why are they not patriots?

[reppingfor20]

http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/14/pf/taxes/who_pays_income_taxes/index.htm

"45% of households, or about 69 million, will end up owing nothing in federal income tax"

lol so 50% of the country is to poor to afford to pay any income tax?

how are the rich theives? who are they stealing from?

the rich pay those same taxes as well on top of federal income tax why are they not patriots?

so it's 45%, not 50 thanks for clearing that up.  Yes 45% is too poor to pay income taxes, jobs do not pay what they use to in this country thanks to outsourcing by un patriotic corporations.  The rich don't pay their fair share of income tax, the income tax bracket is setup so the gov't will have enough money, that is why they are at the rate they are taxed at, it is not meant to be changed to be loopholed though.  The rich know what they are doing is wrong and they are directly hurting the poor by doing so in not helping with funding for programs that help the poor.  I do not know how these rich people can call themselves Christians yet do not care for the poor, who did Jesus hang out with when he was around?  Yeah not the rich buddy.

 

[tonymctones]

so it's 45%, not 50 thanks for clearing that up.  Yes 45% is too poor to pay income taxes, jobs do not pay what they use to in this country thanks to outsourcing by un patriotic corporations.  The rich don't pay their fair share of income tax, the income tax bracket is setup so the gov't will have enough money, that is why they are at the rate they are taxed at, it is not meant to be changed to be loopholed though.  The rich know what they are doing is wrong and they are directly hurting the poor by doing so in not helping with funding for programs that help the poor.  I do not know how these rich people can call themselves Christians yet do not care for the poor, who did Jesus hang out with when he was around?  Yeah not the rich buddy.

Jesus also believed in working and trying to take care of yourself.

The 45% do the same thing as the rich, so why are they not traitors?

they use loopholes and tax credits etc. to alleviate their tax burden why are they not traitors.

what amount of income is "poor" to you?

and why is it the responsibility of those who have made alot of money through their own actions to take care of those who havent?

[reppingfor20]

Jesus also believed in working and trying to take care of yourself.

The 45% do the same thing as the rich, so why are they not traitors?

they use loopholes and tax credits etc. to alleviate their tax burden why are they not traitors.

what amount of income is "poor" to you?

and why is it the responsibility of those who have made alot of money through their own actions to take care of those who havent?

The 45% don't make enough money to pay income tax so explain to me them using loopholes, to get a lower tax rate than 0%?  Poor is relative to where you live, NYC, in the back country, or in between, what amount you need to make to live a decent life.  Most rich are lucky, or inherit their wealth, there is a small portion who actually have worked hard and made it, but most of the rich is made up of old money or people who got lucky pure and simple.  The rich should help the poor, Jesus would say so as well.  The poor are working by the way.  You try to demonize poor people and blame them for being poor, lol, typical rich person perspective.

[tonymctones]

The 45% don't make enough money to pay income tax so explain to me them using loopholes, to get a lower tax rate than 0%?  Poor is relative to where you live, NYC, in the back country, or in between, what amount you need to make to live a decent life.  Most rich are lucky, or inherit their wealth, there is a small portion who actually have worked hard and made it, but most of the rich is made up of old money or people who got lucky pure and simple.  The rich should help the poor, Jesus would say so as well.  The poor are working by the way.  You try to demonize poor people and blame them for being poor, lol, typical rich person perspective.

LOL the reason that 45% dont pay is b/c they get credits or tax breaks...

actually most of the 1% didnt inherit their money they earned their money...you should do your research...

Im not demonizing anyone, Im saying that ppl should be responsible for themselves

you never answered the questioni asked, why is it the responsibility of those who have made alot of money through their own actions to take care of those who havent?

[reppingfor20]

LOL the reason that 45% dont pay is b/c they get credits or tax breaks...

actually most of the 1% didnt inherit their money they earned their money...you should do your research...

Im not demonizing anyone, Im saying that ppl should be responsible for themselves

you never answered the questioni asked, why is it the responsibility of those who have made alot of money through their own actions to take care of those who havent?

it is a moral responsibility, also part of contributing to society that helped them get to where they were.  If it were not for our gov't there business or corporation wouldn't exist.  It's a circle of or suppose to be a circle where everyone contributes gives back so the poor can come up like you did, unfortunately these new rich or rich within the past 10 - 20 years don't want to contribute to making the American dream possible for anyone anymore, they are selfish.

[tonymctones]

it is a moral responsibility, also part of contributing to society that helped them get to where they were.  If it were not for our gov't there business or corporation wouldn't exist.  It's a circle of or suppose to be a circle where everyone contributes gives back so the poor can come up like you did, unfortunately these new rich or rich within the past 10 - 20 years don't want to contribute to making the American dream possible for anyone anymore, they are selfish.

you just said everyone contributes...so why do you exclude the 45% that doesnt?

they arent contributing income tax at all as a matter of fact many of them get money back.

isnt that selfish?

what do you base your morals on that makes it their responsibility?

[reppingfor20]

you just said everyone contributes...so why do you exclude the 45% that doesnt?

they arent contributing income tax at all as a matter of fact many of them get money back.

isnt that selfish?

what do you base your morals on that makes it their responsibility?

they are too poor to pay income tax, they need help for buying food and other programs just to get by with what they earn now.  They do pay sales tax, and state tax, so they do pay taxes, just not federal income tax.  Jesus wouldn't be trying to fleece the poor, but the GOP are, it is sickening. 

[tonymctones]

they are too poor to pay income tax, they need help for buying food and other programs just to get by with what they earn now.  They do pay sales tax, and state tax, so they do pay taxes, just not federal income tax.  Jesus wouldn't be trying to fleece the poor, but the GOP are, it is sickening. 

LOL at your envoking of Jesus, he wouldnt want abortions either but im sure youre a ok with a womens right to choose...lets leave Jesus out of this.

so 45% of the country is to poor to pay income taxes but you cant give me an idea of income on average is poor?

got it...

[reppingfor20]

LOL at your envoking of Jesus, he wouldnt want abortions either but im sure youre a ok with a womens right to choose...lets leave Jesus out of this.

so 45% of the country is to poor to pay income taxes but you cant give me an idea of income on average is poor?

got it...

no I don't feel like looking it up, but it is fact, you can look it up if you like.  Factor in housing they have to pay, gas if they have a car, insurance payments for car if they have one, heat, food stamps probably forget what % of American's are on food stamps.  Everything is going up in price, 3 - 4 dollars a gallon of gas, these people are making 8$ an hour, how are the suppose to survive in a economy like this?  They are living paycheck to paycheck and even worse many times, and you mock them as not being poor enough.  

Also factor in the millions of people who have been laid off in the past years, who have lost their houses and everything they have worked for their entire life.

[tonymctones]

lets just use your 8 dollars an hour scenario as you wont dont know and wont do research for fear of actually going off of facts instead of emotions.

$8 dollars an hour at 40 hours at 52 weeks gives us $16,640 dollars...

the median household income in the US is...DRUM ROLL PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!
























$49,445 and thats with the bad economy.

so the average family makes 3 times more then your saying is poor...

im not mocking anyone, I am also not demonizing anyone for being succesful like you are.

You didnt answer my question, what do you base your morals on that makes it their responsibility?

[reppingfor20]

I answered your question twice, read my replies, they apparently did not satisfy you.  49k is bad in this economy.  That is if you are employed, so many laid off and facing forecloser because of evil corporations.  I am also guessing that 49k number is the base household income meaning more than just one income, so that is pathetic for this country.  That is two people working, two people have to buy groceries, have cars, buy gas, etc etc.  Everything has gone up in price.  Do you think everyone is up in arms because they are doing well?

And I believe your figure is from 2009.  http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0691.pdf

49k / 2 = 24k a year, that is terrible and poverty level for one person to sustain on.

Also take into account that is average, many are below average, very many, and that is not acceptable and neither is the 49k household number.

[tonymctones]

I answered your question twice, read my replies, they apparently did not satisfy you.  49k is bad in this economy.  That is if you are employed, so many laid off and facing forecloser because of evil corporations.  I am also guessing that 49k number is the base household income meaning more than just one income, so that is pathetic for this country.  That is two people working, two people have to buy groceries, have cars, buy gas, etc etc.  Everything has gone up in price.  Do you think everyone is up in arms because they are doing well?

And I believe your figure is from 2009.  http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0691.pdf

49k / 2 = 24k a year, that is terrible and poverty level for one person to sustain on.

Also take into account that is average, many are below average, very many, and that is not acceptable and neither is the 49k household number.

you never answered what you based your morals on to say that its morally irresponsible of the 1% maybe you should go back and read...

it said household, plenty of single ppl in the country

49k isnt bad for 2 ppl without kids, hoss...you can make it work and if you cant maybe you should re-evaluate your priorities and cut some of the waste.

plenty of ppl make more than that as well, so why do you begrudge them for their success?

[reppingfor20]

you never answered what you based your morals on to say that its morally irresponsible of the 1% maybe you should go back and read...

it said household, plenty of single ppl in the country

49k isnt bad for 2 ppl without kids, hoss...you can make it work and if you cant maybe you should re-evaluate your priorities and cut some of the waste.

plenty of ppl make more than that as well, so why do you begrudge them for their success?

morals of how you were raised, told what is right and wrong, looking at a situation and seeing one guy in a company getting paid 300 - 500 x the amount of the normal employee working his ass off getting paid jack shit.  This argument is going in a circle, I do not begrudge them, they need to help pay their fair share in taxes so the working poor and going to be poor soon can find a way up the ladder in this economic catastrophe we are in now, and the rich don't want to help at all in the time they are needed the most.