I used to cycle a few years back T3 3-4 Weeks (Pyramid up and down to 100mcg) with a moderate dose of clen, then do x4 weeks of Eph then repeat, usually do it 2-3 times. Was on gear right through, worked well got lean but I have to be honest it wasn't that that good at bringing all the lines out bit over rated as when you stop you look a bit flat around the edges. I threw some proviron in right at then end of my second cycle and went much harder then went on my holiday for 1 week and come back smooth after a few beers and some holiday food. I Wasn't fat just the water didn't make me look that good. I am going the tren ace route this time and seeing what happens. Personally I would only use it if you are carrying allot of excess weight.