Human strength and power reached its limits 25 years ago

[purenaturalstrength]

216kg snatch by in 1987 by krastev has not been matched up to this day

266kg clean and jerk in 1988 by taranenko has not been matched up to this day

[Fortress]

Human strength potential HAS slowed tremendously these past few decades, yes. Without all the lifting equipment and excess drug use, most top-flight powerlifters and weightlifters would not be all that much further ahead than their counterparts from many years ago.

[monopoly19]

Yes, the 266 jerk has never been matched, however they wiped this record out as they considered a lift that was performed with the aide of performance enhancing drugs (like theyre not using them now)

I think the snatch record was just broken in Paris, or very very close.

Many RAW powerlifting records are also unbroken. However the deadlift record has been raised quite a bit, and some of the totals have been broken. I would not say that strength has not evolved however. Strongmen are doing lifts today that would have been unthinkable 25 years ago and the bar contiunes to be raised in all strength athletics with better training, equipment, nutrition, drugs, etc.

[purenaturalstrength]

Yes, the 266 jerk has never been matched, however they wiped this record out as they considered a lift that was performed with the aide of performance enhancing drugs (like theyre not using them now)

I think the snatch record was just broken in Paris, or very very close.

Many RAW powerlifting records are also unbroken. However the deadlift record has been raised quite a bit, and some of the totals have been broken. I would not say that strength has not evolved however. Strongmen are doing lifts today that would have been unthinkable 25 years ago and the bar contiunes to be raised in all strength athletics with better training, equipment, nutrition, drugs, etc.

he did 214kg

[chess315]

I tend to agree if you look at how many more athletes compete in strength sports a few records being broke is to be expected. Pretty much srength has remained the same. Actually many efforts are still far from being approched

[disco_stu]

they didnt peak then, they simply ended the cycle of unabated drug use.

gradually the use of drugs has declined- with the cheats having to resort to designer gear and agents and so on to the point where the benefit is marginal anyways.

stored blood samples for baselining and so on makes it even harder.

just as the strength records stalled, so did the other athletic events...its now slowly approaching those again, some 20+ years later. Some have already overtaken them.

look at the female records- those are the ones that really took a hit. shows that drugs + women = massive gains. It might take 50 years for them to catch up.

[mass243]

Of course it peaked.

That's when Soviet empire still ruled and great achievements were made !!





Both of those great athletes you posted, were from the Soviet block !

[Dr Dutch]

How the hell can a guy clean and press 266 kilo's.....just think about that weight.   

[mass243]

How the hell can a guy clean and press 266 kilo's.....just think about that weight.   

Yes, it's sick.

I can't deadlift that much   

[Xerxes]

he did 214kg

He did 217kgs in Iran, the interview after the lift he mentioned how he was happy that he beat Krastev.

[#1 Klaus fan]

How the hell can a guy clean and press 266 kilo's.....just think about that weight.   

I can think about 166 kg...damn THAT'S heavy! 

[purenaturalstrength]

He did 217kgs in Iran, the interview after the lift he mentioned how he was happy that he beat Krastev.

Is this heresay or is there official documentation and videos/pictures?

[MAXX]

they didn't have to time and stop their cycles before competition. nor use specific short ester steroids. so they could use anything they wanted, and lots of it.. that's what makes the difference.

[purenaturalstrength]

this Belgian lifter clean and PRESSED 228 kg, it was however beaten by 230kg by the russian, but most agree that the russian did a push press which should have been red flagged by the referees. the belgian did also lean back but did not push press it

that was some sick sick sick pressing power, unmatched by any modern lifter


I wonder how they trained the press. How many times a week sets reps etc. Most modern TOP lifters are lucky to press 150kg

[mass243]

they didn't have to time and stop their cycles before competition. nor use specific short ester steroids. so they could use anything they wanted, and lots of it.. that's what makes the difference.

Plus training in Soviet block was fukin' brutal, real hard core. No one today trains as systematically though general knowledge of course have increased.

I don't know about weightlifters but ice hockey players for example lived in 'camps', where they got nothing else to do than train, eat, train, sleep, train... they got holidays few times a year when they went to meet families.
Same with gymnastics... youngsters trained their asses off under strict coaching.
And that produced results. Big time! Domination in almost all the sports.

I guess it was quite the same with every other athlete!

[purenaturalstrength]

Plus training in Soviet block was fukin' brutal, real hard core. No one today trains as systematically though general knowledge of course have increased.

I don't know about weightlifters but ice hockey players for example lived in 'camps', where they got nothing else to do than train, eat, train, sleep, train... they got holidays few times a year when they went to meet families.
Same with gymnastics... youngsters trained their asses off under strict coaching.
And that produced results. Big time! Domination in almost all the sports.

I guess it was quite the same with every other athlete!

it's not different from other countries that produce elite weightlifters. see this documentary on turkish super lifter halil mutlu

http://rick-reed.com/?p=323

this is also interesting how he talks about injury, makes you wonder...

[mass243]

this is also interesting how he talks about injury, makes you wonder...

That's what can be called determination!
I would think they do it more for their country than just for themselves. That must give sum' motivational advantage.

Traditionally in "communistic" countries individual exists not for himself but foremost for the system.

[purenaturalstrength]

That's what can be called determination!
I would think they do it more for their country than just for themselves. That must give sum' motivational advantage.

Traditionally in "communistic" countries individual exists not for himself but foremost for the system.

I found the part where he said that after 20 years of training the snatch and clean and jerk still dont come natural surprising

and the part where the guy said when he smiles after training it is not because training went well but because he is ok was pretty shocking

[Xerxes]

Is this heresay or is there official documentation and videos/pictures?

From Iranian TV

[Dr Dutch]

It's not human to be able to clean so much weight...

[MAXX]

i like snatch and jerk. it's the cleaning i don't like

[#1 Klaus fan]

I found the part where he said that after 20 years of training the snatch and clean and jerk still dont come natural surprising

and the part where the guy said when he smiles after training it is not because training went well but because he is ok was pretty shocking

Maybe some of these things are said to intimitade competition? Weightlifters sometimes say strange things that I believe the purpose is to fuck up with other lifters' minds.

[purenaturalstrength]

From Iranian TV

amazing, thanks mate

[arce1988]

   cccp

[BBFan]

Both of those great athletes you posted, were from the Soviet block !

Antonio Krastev is bulgarian not russian!

I don't know about weightlifters but ice hockey players for example lived in 'camps', where they got nothing else to do than train, eat, train, sleep, train... they got holidays few times a year when they went to meet families.
Same with gymnastics... youngsters trained their asses off under strict coaching.
And that produced results. Big time! Domination in almost all the sports.

Yes that's correct.And it was the same for all the athletes and sports from the Eastern block.Weightlifters usually used to workout 3-4 times a day and were having 4-5 days off a year / in some cases even only one day a year/.It was the same for the other too.All of them used to live in "training camps" or national sports centers /government sponsored/ year round until they retired from active sport.All this starts usually at age 4-12 /depending on the sport thay were chosen for/ and  lasted 15-20 years minimum.