Author Topic: How come natural bodybuilding doesn't actually work but sounds like it should?  (Read 15460 times)

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The theories sound so compelling. Break the muscle down, build it back up with over compensation

muscular adaptation


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Is this rhetorical?  It does work, we just have limited adaptive capabilities!

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since when working out naturally "doesnt work" ie doesnt enhance muscle mass/ improve fitness and well being ? You must do something wrong.

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since when working out naturally "doesnt work" ie doesnt enhance muscle mass/ improve fitness and well being ? You must do something wrong.

how do I do it right?


I stay the same size always


When I eat more I just get fatter I don't even get heavier somehow

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how do I do it right?


I stay the same size always


When I eat more I just get fatter I don't even get heavier somehow

When you eat more, do your training loads increase?

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PNS, you've been doing some good tinychimp owning lately, keep it up.

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how do I do it right?


I stay the same size always


When I eat more I just get fatter I don't even get heavier somehow
pics?


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PNS, you've been doing some good tinychimp owning lately, keep it up.

Wazntme but, last time I checked 152 people want him dead
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Girls and sons who have not been loved by their fathers seek attention once teens and adults to compensate for what they didnt have originally. Fathers either left them alone, or were distant most of the time and not encouraging them. Some even despised them which would shape their personality and the way they d interact with others for the rest of their life.
They are extremistic in everything they do, always looking exageratly for attention, and have troubles adapting to society's rules, because they also have troubles defining their own identity and respecting authority and hierarchy.


Also boys who got picked on by others during childhood and adolescence -often sons without a father figure- try to compensate by lifting weights, to develop muscles and survive in ther male world. They re insecure because they re girly, childish, feminine having been raised by a single mom. They lift obsessively hoping it will transform them into men, to compensate for their lack of influence from a father figure that was not there. Unfortunaltey they can get as big as they can it doesnt cure their insecurity and who they truly are, how they grew up being raised by a single mom. They re no as manly as other men whatever they do, and they often have a big lack of masculine presence they dont know how to balance, hence often being borderline homosexuals while trying to get their manhood back thru various manly activities (mma, cars, weight lifting etc). They are often the ones that, in order to get respect from other males will go the steroids route to get even "bigger" attemptint to cure their insecurity , but being natural not being "enough", they still feel "too small", insecure, amongst other males. The lack of a father figure also often means they didnt have guidance to continue studies and are often working shitty manual jobs.

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Girls and sons who have not been loved by their fathers seek attention once teens and adults to compensate for what they didnt have originally. Fathers either left them alone, or were distant most of the time and not encouraging them. Some even despised them which would shape their personality and the way they d interact with others for the rest of their life.
They are extremistic in everything they do, always looking exageratly for attention, and have troubles adapting to society's rules, because they also have troubles defining their own identity and respecting authority and hierarchy.


Also boys who got picked on by others during childhood and adolescence -often sons without a father figure- try to compensate by lifting weights, to develop muscles and survive in ther male world. They re insecure because they re girly, childish, feminine having been raised by a single mom. They lift obsessively hoping it will transform them into men, to compensate for their lack of influence from a father figure that was not there. Unfortunaltey they can get as big as they can it doesnt cure their insecurity and who they truly are, how they grew up being raised by a single mom. They re no as manly as other men whatever they do, and they often have a big lack of masculine presence they dont know how to balance, hence often being borderline homosexuals while trying to get their manhood back thru various manly activities (mma, cars, weight lifting etc). They are often the ones that, in order to get respect from other males will go the steroids route to get even "bigger" attemptint to cure their insecurity , but being natural not being "enough", they still feel "too small", insecure, amongst other males. The lack of a father figure also often means they didnt have guidance to continue studies and are often working shitty manual jobs.



LOL


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Girls and sons who have not been loved by their fathers seek attention once teens and adults to compensate for what they didnt have originally. Fathers either left them alone, or were distant most of the time and not encouraging them. Some even despised them which would shape their personality and the way they d interact with others for the rest of their life.
They are extremistic in everything they do, always looking exageratly for attention, and have troubles adapting to society's rules, because they also have troubles defining their own identity and respecting authority and hierarchy.


Also boys who got picked on by others during childhood and adolescence -often sons without a father figure- try to compensate by lifting weights, to develop muscles and survive in ther male world. They re insecure because they re girly, childish, feminine having been raised by a single mom. They lift obsessively hoping it will transform them into men, to compensate for their lack of influence from a father figure that was not there. Unfortunaltey they can get as big as they can it doesnt cure their insecurity and who they truly are, how they grew up being raised by a single mom. They re no as manly as other men whatever they do, and they often have a big lack of masculine presence they dont know how to balance, hence often being borderline homosexuals while trying to get their manhood back thru various manly activities (mma, cars, weight lifting etc). They are often the ones that, in order to get respect from other males will go the steroids route to get even "bigger" attemptint to cure their insecurity , but being natural not being "enough", they still feel "too small", insecure, amongst other males. The lack of a father figure also often means they didnt have guidance to continue studies and are often working shitty manual jobs.


this cant be repeated enough.

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Elegant, smart, faithful, educated enough women coming from stable families are taught by their fathers and mothers not to date losers (sons abandonned by their fathers and badly raised by single moms) because they mean troubles. They can detect them from a mile.

Yet, they can recognize such a guy who wants to better himself and give him a chance. They can have pity for a guy whose parents separated and offer him the opportunity to repair his past. But if you shit on this oportunity, you re the worst asshole ever, period.
When your father left your mother and condemend both you and sisters/brothers and mother to a lot of pain and the terrible possibility of reproducing what he exposed you to, you better not listening to him anymore.

Just aim for a girl who s working while studying, isnt superificial, is down to earth, has family values and knows how to be a caring mother for both her man and eventual kids. Teach her sex (balanced sexual acts, not extremistic shit, do not search to perform, casual normal sex with love is what lasts the longest) , how to get in shape and go thru life together. You re wasting your time if you dont.

Stay balanced, quit the extremes. Lots of hapiness to be found in sincere, prosaic, everyday stable love. But it requires a lot of courage and sacrifices.



Women just like what is balanced, what is not extreme, as it means you re able to adapt to everything = maximum odds of survival. They want a guy with a good job, but that doenst take too much time, who earns good money but wont care only about material goods, who s muscular but not too much, who s nice, but not too much, who s a beast in bed most of the time but adapt to their feelings on the moment, who will force them to suck his hard veiny cock some times until they moan like babies, but will lick their clit at others... who will cuddle but not too much, who will not hesitate to slap them once in a while when they go overboard but will also discuss with them when they re depressed...who has friends and spend time socializing with them but not too much and who will also care about her and kids... Who will be nice to kids, but not too nice either and will teach them respect...

This is how it truly works. Balance. It is perfection in people minds. It is maximum capacity of adaptation, maximum odds of survival whatever happens. Extremes are repulsive to most.

And, men want exactly the same thing of a woman.

Men dont give a fuck if a woman earns a good income, her place is in the kitchen, in the gym, and in kids sleeping room. Sometimes woman can go visit one or two good old reliable friends to socialize -if they think like your man does-, and maybe your parents -when they re not in conflict with your man's views-, but that's about it. Woman, You re suposed to have enough time to take care of the house,kids and most importantly your man.
Also wether a woman works 20 hour s a week at the local walmart or is a business executive working 60 hours a week -and neglecting kids and husband- doesnt matter the least to men. Actually i dont know any man who enjoys his woman earns more than him or sacrify time spent with him and/or kids to focus on a ''career''. Women are not suposed to have a career. Only power hungry women who want to dominate men do.

Some women get it right, and accept their condition. They re called happy women. Women are here to help men, men are here to dominate women in a benevolent way. We re not talking about unhealthy domination. It s about teaching them life. Men are teachers for women and kids.

Love cannot be found in emotionless, casual sex which is an addiction that never fulfils men and women who ve been designed to create a stable, happy family. Sex is for reproduction and then to keep men and women together (if sexual life is satysfying between them) so they ll raise kids in peace until they can leave home by themselves. If women cannot provide fulfiling sex to their men then everything will collapse. Most of the time they cant cause they havent been taught by their mothers/grandmothers how to handle this part of life. The other extreme is women who only are good at sex but nothing else much and always want to dominate men but cannot become mothers.

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Haha  ;D ;D

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read that entire wall of text but it's all general knowledge

nothing to see here

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Yeah, we know, we re all short, small or/and skinny kids / men on here with no father figures,  raised by  single mothers  who struggle in life and think that looking like arnold s will make us happy until we understand life is about so much more than this. Some will eventually grow out of it as they age finding some guidance, and a lot of others will be stuck in this immature , autistic obsession of wanting to become ''bigger'' at all costs, to compensate for the fact they had no father figure, a weak confidence, low self esteem deeply embeded in them as a result, and that's assuming there arent other weaknesses like being short/being unintelligent, uneducated, or having a small cock/being fugly, at play simultaenously.

Some guys are obsessed by big muscles and ''strong father'' (roided actors, super heroes etc) figures because it gives them what they didnt have, what they dont have being raised by a single mother and few or no father figure at all during childhood and adolescence. They spend their whole life attempting to regain their virility that has been shut down forever by the lack of a caring father. They re often extremistic in everything they do, in the way they think, have psycho behavorial troubles, because basically they have a personnality that is too feminine. They try to hide it by overcompensating exagerely adopting looks and attitudes that they hope will hide the fact they re weak minded pansies.

Sons raised by decent fathers are balanced, have less difficulties adaptating to the real world and are more mature sooner, dont fall for most of life's traps as they re constantly and correctly adivsed by their fathers. Others just spend their whole life trying to get what they didnt have , hitting all the walls at full speed one after another. A lot dont see their 50s.


Yes, lifting weights can be good for health and sex appeal, but it doesnt change the fact that life is about so much more than just being muscular to impress people who most of the time dont give a fuck about muscles. Intelligence, money, power are what's important. Being loved by signifcant ones is what s important. Contributing, giving as much as you receive, is what's important. Your pathetic muscles are only 1 % of what life is about. And newsflashs; there s always someone bigger than you and there s a new sucker without a father figure born every second who will attempt to compensate by getting bigger than everyone else.
Yes, spending your life caring only about your muscles means there is something wrong with you. Yes it  borders on homosexuality. Yes most men without a father figure are obsessive about muscles , theirs, and other men muscles because they want to become that perfect dad they never had, and want more than anything that love they never had, even if it means for some taking another old man s cock in their ass, one excess leading to another. Considering most sons without a father become manual workers  and dont earn a lot of money, have no serious studies, education, they stagnate in the lower, nastier layers of the social pyramid and are more prone to do the stupidest, gayest shit to survive, they become filthy indivduals who only adapt by backstabing others every chance they get, that s what they learnt from the interactions between their own family members when they were young.


You can enjoy a healthy lifestyle, practise physical conditionning without being extremistic, obsessive about it and caring about others as much as you care about yourself. You can be balanced, and exist for others things that are more important at the same time than just being focused on your appearance. But it takes a sane, healhty, guided mind to do so, something very few have because they come from dysfunctonnal families with no or poor father figures.


Considering there s a growing number of sons raised by single mothers, the bodybuilding industry (homos, supplement and steroids dealers)have a nice future.

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"Natural" bodybuilding sounds to be very healthy, but in fact it's a contradiction..

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You can be a bodybuilder without drugs and live a healthy, well balanced lifestyle.
BUT,  EXTREME drug use is required to be the best in the biggest league of the sport.
So, the best guys will move in that direction in order to be a pro .
Over 90% of those that lift will never have the talent to be good bodybuilders,regardless of drugs.
Even on drugs, the avg guy will simply be a bigger but still unimpressive bodybuilder overall.

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You can be a bodybuilder without drugs and live a healthy, well balanced lifestyle.
BUT,  EXTREME drug use is required to be the best in the biggest league of the sport.
So, the best guys will move in that direction in order to be a pro .
Over 90% of those that lift will never have the talent to be good bodybuilders,regardless of drugs.
Even on drugs, the avg guy will simply be a bigger but still unimpressive bodybuilder overall.

Holy shit, did you forget to take your quadruple dose of retard pills this morning? :o

Pretty spot on other than the first sentence. You can't be a natural bodybuilder. You can just be a schmoe that doesn't use drugs but for some strange reason hangs out in the gym a lot. It's creepy. You get to a point where you realize you need hormonas to progress. And it's only the weirdos that keep trying to lift hardcore but stay natural.

There's always a troupe of weird ass natural dudes that show up in the gym like clockwork. They're always slamming protein shakes, talking about creatine and their bodybuilding idols whom they believe are truly natural. These guys are hilarious. They make guys like me look like a God in the gym. 8)

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the weirdos that keep trying to lift hardcore but stay natural.


like me  :-\

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how do I do it right?


I stay the same size always


When I eat more I just get fatter I don't even get heavier somehow

How much more do you eat + how does your routine look like?
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like me  :-\

Yeah, bro. :-\

You can look good as a natural, but you can't look GREAT. And you can build up a decent foundation naturally too, but you can't be a bodybuilder. The body's natural limit is too low. It doesn't want to carry sheaths of muscle, nor can it unless you augment your training regimen with glorious, glorious hormonas. ;D

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How much more do you eat + how does your routine look like?


one meal more of about 600-700calories

routine goes like

MONDAY:
5x5 squat
1x5 bench press
5x5 barbell row
weighted situps

WEDNESDAY:
5x5 light squats or no squats depending on recovery
1x5 deadlift
5x5 military press
3x6-8 weighted pull ups
5x5 standing calf raise
3x8-12 seated calf raise

Friday
1x5 squat
5x5 bench
1x5barbell row
3x6-8 weighted dips
3x5 preacher curls
3x6-8 skull crushers


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one meal more of about 600-700calories

routine goes like

MONDAY:
5x5 squat
1x5 bench press
5x5 barbell row
weighted situps

WEDNESDAY:
5x5 light squats or no squats depending on recovery
1x5 deadlift
5x5 military press
3x6-8 weighted pull ups
5x5 standing calf raise
3x8-12 seated calf raise

Friday
1x5 squat
5x5 bench
1x5barbell row
3x6-8 weighted dips
3x5 preacher curls
3x6-8 skull crushers



600+ kcals seems too much. Such a huge surplus every day will be stored as fat unless you're very active and then you'll just burn off the extra.
Try finding your basic calorie line. If you're below you'll feel depleted and weak. The trick is to go a hair above what's really needed which will keep you strong and !slowly! growing.
Rotate the set x rep scheme.
Cruise from 5x5 - 4x6 - 3x7 - 3x8 every 8 weeks. Of course you need to recalc the weights - tonnage stays the same.
Keep an endurance unit every day of the week - 15-20 min. where you give your body a way to handle higher workloads. If you're not in the mood for "cardio" then just do your barbell training regime from start to finish with an empty bar.
Lack of endurance, or GPP as Louie calls it, can dampen your progress.

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Yeah, bro. :-\

You can look good as a natural, but you can't look GREAT. And you can build up a decent foundation naturally too, but you can't be a bodybuilder. The body's natural limit is too low. It doesn't want to carry sheaths of muscle, nor can it unless you augment your training regimen with glorious, glorious hormonas. ;D
Yep, the human body is not made to look like a bber---it limits the function of the body...