How come natural bodybuilding doesn't actually work but sounds like it should?

[purenaturalstrength]

That mark ripetard 5x5 shit is never going to make anything grow apart from your legs, look how pathetic the kids on bodybuilding.com look who worship that fat old bearded douchebag

as a natural you'll never really look like a bodybuilder but you need a ton more volume, higher reps, slower reps and a lot more upper body and arm work

they all do ridiculous high volume bodypart split routines

brb 14 sets for arms

[purenaturalstrength]

no sorry i don't believe in the milos approach some of you are suggesting


why?


because I put it to the test for about a year, gained nothing and lost a lot of strength

[Swlabr]

no sorry i don't believe in the milos approach some of you are suggesting


why?


because I put it to the test for about a year, gained nothing and lost a lot of strength

Because you didn't have any hormones in your system, you moran, what do you expect?

[purenaturalstrength]

Because you didn't have any hormones in your system, you moran, what do you expect?

fuck i hate this bodybuild shit nowadays


why did flex magazine feed me so many lies when I was 14


goddamnit

and that milos cock sucker and charles glass with their homo routines


goddamnit

[Raymondo]

fuck i hate this bodybuild shit nowadays


why did flex magazine feed me so many lies when I was 14


goddamnit

and that milos cock sucker and charles glass with their homo routines


goddamnit

Calm down, mate.

[Mawse]

no sorry i don't believe in the milos approach some of you are suggesting


why?


because I put it to the test for about a year, gained nothing and lost a lot of strength

then you either have to use hormonas to compensate or accept you'll never get any bigger than you are now. If you can't grow on a bodybuilding regime then God didn't mean for you to have large muscles.

I stopped chasing big numbers when I got hurt too much... and like b-boy said, getting hurt and having to use lighter weights and more pump volume is the best thing for getting bigger (when geared obviously)

Danta Strudel claims you need to keep getting stronger but that only works to a certain point even on hormonas, and those squats and deadlifts are very draining to the body and probably draining your recovery that could be used on upper body

[Swlabr]

fuck i hate this bodybuild shit nowadays


why did flex magazine feed me so many lies when I was 14


goddamnit

and that milos cock sucker and charles glass with their homo routines


goddamnit

[purenaturalstrength]

 

[buffdnet]

Because you didn't have any hormones in your system, you moran, what do you expect?

^THAT^
problem is the younger guys are just like i was and the drug
user protocols is all we had to follow. some never figure it out.
the rest of us try to be the best swimmers we can    

[purenaturalstrength]

then you either have to use hormonas to compensate or accept you'll never get any bigger than you are now. If you can't grow on a bodybuilding regime then God didn't mean for you to have large muscles.

I stopped chasing big numbers when I got hurt too much... and like b-boy said, getting hurt and having to use lighter weights and more pump volume is the best thing for getting bigger (when geared obviously)

Danta Strudel claims you need to keep getting stronger but that only works to a certain point even on hormonas, and those squats and deadlifts are very draining to the body and probably draining your recovery that could be used on upper body

But what about Dorian Yates?

[wes]

But what about Dorian Yates?

Dorian is drugs drugs drugs plus superior genes and great response to gear.

He could have juiced up and played tiddlywinks and got huge.

[purenaturalstrength]

Dorian is drugs drugs drugs plus superior genes and great response to gear.

He could have juiced up and played tiddlywinks and got huge.

so basically these guys lift hardcore for fun/for cool dvds?

[Xerxes]

PNS WHAT IS YOUR EXACT LOCATION?


CAUSE IF DON'T STOP BITCHING I WILL NEED TO TRACK YOU DOWN AND STICK A NEEDLE IN YOUR ASS SO YOULL SHUT UP

[wes]

so basically these guys lift hardcore for fun/for cool dvds?

No,hard training plus drugs,food,rest/sleep,make you grow.

The tiddlywinks thing was an exaggeration but I think you got the point.

Question for you PNS,why stay on a 5 X 5 routine if you`re not progressing?

I`m not talking about going light with more volume,I`m talking heavy for a higher rep range..........5-15 or 20-30 for quads.

Heavy is relative.

[Natural Man]

there are two guys on getbig that represent the epitome of what can be achieved naturally;

simpyhuge;



and an123




They both train religiouly, eat religiously, and maybe sometimes use creatine. I was that big long time ago, but at some point i lost the drive, didnt see the point anymore. Eating 4 meals a day (as an ecto, it's even more difficult, it's basically forcefeeding), focusing on protein intakes, training 1 hour a day, just to attain that maximum amount of muscle that would melt as soon as i had others serious things to do with my life became quickly boring, i didnt enjoy it anymore.

Today im a lighter version of those physiques, and a lot of natural guys look the way i do, it's not that hard, all it requires are 3 to 5 hours of training (to failure) a week, not caring much about nutrition anymore. But again, it's easier for an ecto and meso to look like this, than it is for a fatty endo. Genetics play a big role again.

[Raymondo]

They both train religiouly, eat religiously, and maybe sometimes use creatine. I was that big long time ago, but at some point i lost the drive, didnt see the point anymore. Eating 4 days a week, training 1 hour a day, just to attain that maximum amount of muscle that would melt as soon as i had others serious things to do with my life.

Today im a lighter version of those physiques, and a lot of natural guys look the way i do, it's not that hard, all it requires are 3 to 5 hours of training (to failure) a week, not caring much about nutrition anymore. But again, it's easier for an ecto and meso to look like this, than it is for a fatty endo. Genetics play a big role again.

... and steroids.

[purenaturalstrength]

PNS WHAT IS YOUR EXACT LOCATION?


CAUSE IF DON'T STOP BITCHING I WILL NEED TO TRACK YOU DOWN AND STICK A NEEDLE IN YOUR ASS SO YOULL SHUT UP

you will have to stick a needle in yourself before you can be man enough to square off with me you twink!

[Xerxes]

you will have to stick a needle in yourself before you can be man enough to square off with me you twink!

Maybe I will 




and then you'll be jealous

[wes]

there are two guys on getbig that represent the epithome of what can be achieved naturally;

simpyhuge;



and an123




They both train religiouly, eat religiously, and maybe sometimes use creatine. I was that big long time ago, but at some point i lost the drive, didnt see the point anymore. Eating 4 meals a day, focusing on protein intakes, training 1 hour a day, just to attain that maximum amount of muscle that would melt as soon as i had others serious things to do with my life.

Today im a lighter version of those physiques, and a lot of natural guys look the way i do, it's not that hard, all it requires are 3 to 5 hours of training (to failure) a week, not caring much about nutrition anymore. But again, it's easier for an ecto and meso to look like this, than it is for a fatty endo. Genetics play a big role again.

Those guys look great!1

They`ll never be IFBB pros,but neither will tons and tons of guys who abuse the living shit out of gear.

[purenaturalstrength]

Maybe I will 




and then you'll be jealous

[buffdnet]

so basically these guys lift hardcore for fun/for cool dvds?

I worked most of my life as simple laborer. ten years of concrete work,
factories ive even done some geek shit like webmastering for 5 years
and working 100 hour weeks.
i don't work anymore.  if i had to work i would die.  so bodybuilding is
all I know. it keeps me sane occupied and goal oriented.

the my bulk of my life evolves around the lifestyle.
it consumes my brain and most of my time and i like it that way.
when i'm not thinking about training eating sleeping etc i try to
further my education in areas that interest me and that benefit me.
mainly ancient rome, religion, politics and the zeitgiest movement.

understand i do very damn little that i don't enjoy.  i have no
desire to work, accumulate material wealth or chase whatever
the fuck the american dream is.  Ive done all of that. 
I bodybuild.  i train with a show in mind, trying to put on any size
i can between now and then. moving forward always forward.
I understand that "then" may never come because i have life threatening
health issues.  and if you ever do you may realize as I do, that loving yourself
for yourself and trying to be the best self you can be for you,
is an admirable goal in life.
none of us are anything special. you live you love you die. the end.

base yourself against yourself.  what is spoken here would be like me
telling wes i'm gonna get on stage and beat him.  that is not what bodybulding
is about to me. its not how i look to others or if i am bigger stronger. none of that.
which is why "bros" like us pass one another in gym and never utter a word.
because we know.  natural bodybuilding is the most unforgiving hardest bunch of
worthless shit you may ever persue and never ever win a show nor place let alone
be considered a "big" guy.
I have no delusions, i know i do not belong on stage, but i have, i can and by
the power of zues i shall again. or I'll die and be happy either way.

if none of this registers then you are weightlifter. be happy with that and
the human you are.  it doesn't make you less than.  at least most of those guys
rarily obsess with giving it all up like we do.  honestly it makes you smarter in
most cases. imho.

[WillGrant]

Less calories

More exercises  + more reps

Quality clean food except on the weekend

Train fucking hard,don`t just go through the motions

Feel the muscle work....don`t be obsessed with lifting mega- heavy weight

Use intensity techniques such as Super-Sets,Drop-Sets,Rest Pause etc.

Do low intensity cardio for 30 minutes 4 X a week (walk on inclined treadmill at brisk pace)

Train like your life depended on it

Stay leaner

Good luck,but don`t plan on looking like one of the top guys in a national level show or an IFBB pro.

Do all of the above but add drugs then you will look like a bodybuilder or at least someone who trains with dedication 

[wes]

I worked most of my life as simple laborer. ten years of concrete work,
factories ive even done some geek shit like webmastering for 5 years
and working 100 hour weeks.
i don't work anymore.  if i had to work i would die.  so bodybuilding is
all I know. it keeps me sane occupied and goal oriented.

the my bulk of my life evolves around the lifestyle.
it consumes my brain and most of my time and i like it that way.
when i'm not thinking about training eating sleeping etc i try to
further my education in areas that interest me and that benefit me.
mainly ancient rome, religion, politics and the zeitgiest movement.

understand i do very damn little that i don't enjoy.  i have no
desire to work, accumulate material wealth or chase whatever
the fuck the american dream is.  Ive done all of that. 
I bodybuild.  i train with a show in mind, trying to put on any size
i can between now and then. moving forward always forward.
I understand that "then" may never come because i have life threatening
health issues.  and if you ever do you may realize as I do, that loving yourself
for yourself and trying to be the best self you can be for you,
is an admirable goal in life.
none of us are anything special. you live you love you die. the end.

base yourself against yourself.  what is spoken here would be like me
telling wes i'm gonna get on stage and beat him.  that is not what bodybulding
is about to me. its not how i look to others or if i am bigger stronger. none of that.
which is why "bros" like us pass one another in gym and never utter a word.
because we know.  natural bodybuilding is the most unforgiving hardest bunch of
worthless shit you may ever persue and never ever win a show nor place let alone
be considered a "big" guy.
I have no delusions, i know i do not belong on stage, but i have, i can and by
the power of zues i shall again. or I'll die and be happy either way.

if none of this registers then you are weightlifter. be happy with that and
the human you are.  it doesn't make you less than.  at least most of those guys
rarily obsess with giving it all up like we do.  honestly it makes you smarter in
most cases. imho.

Damn good post.....you have to have a passion for training and your mind is the most powerful muscle you have.

[_bruce_]

yes it is very hard to get it right, i mean i dont want to be an obsessive compulsive douchebag weighing food etc  or is that really required?

cardio every day, that would require me to do it right before or after my workouts on monday, wednesday and friday. is that really advisable after killing your legs with 5x5 squats on monday?

is sticking to the same rep set scheme too long a huge mistake?

Do the cardio whenever you want - there are many fixed ideas that may make exercising complicated.
No it is not killing gains - you are just keeping a steady pace -> you are not huffing and puffing for an ungodly amount of time killing your cns.
The changing up of rep ranges is "vital" to avoid a sort of stagnation/burnout. A rep scheme will only be changed after a few good weeks of correctly  following your cycle.
Remember - the less you think about it and the more you do/experiment, the better are chances to progress.

[napaulm]

i havent read this whole thread, cuz why would i. but, has it been menitioned to you to have yr test levels checked?
i could never get past 190 at 5'11. bodyfat would be around 10, but eating more just got me fat, not muscular. i'd either burn out or get hurt. turned out my pituitary and balls are fuckarood. hypogonadism, they call it. went on trt. now im 220.