Decaject 200 question

[mojouk]

is a deca only cycle worth my while...
apart from the libido problems...will i make gains on it...say at 400mg per week...
should i take more or less...
i dont wanna add test cos i dont want that puffy look...
the same happens with the d bol...will deca alone be sufficient ?

[Arnold jr]

is a deca only cycle worth my while...
apart from the libido problems...will i make gains on it...say at 400mg per week...
should i take more or less...
i dont wanna add test cos i dont want that puffy look...
the same happens with the d bol...will deca alone be sufficient ?

Bad idea! Very bad idea! Add test or don't waste your time and money. Unless you enjoy screwing yourself over.

[mem]

I have not been around here long -
do people even read threads related to
subjects they start new threads about??
- I am amazed. (no flame intended)

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=40191.0

Are we being taunted??? Is T H I S a test?? N-LMAO!

A lot of really great information (already been posted) here - I guess IT justs takes
a little curiousity to look back a few threads. Great place for researching topics here.
Just have to look back a few threads . . . 

[mem]

- - is a deca only cycle worth my while... - -
- - i dont wanna add test cos i dont want that puffy look... - -

Water (puffy) look more related (**for me)
to LACK OF estrogen antagonists or estrogen blockers
and more likely your diet (**possibly sodium)
than Test use per see'

[freakfestMD]

I agree.  Add test, any type you wish.  To avoid the "puffy" look you speak of, add winstrol perhaps, and keep a low dose estrogen blocker such as letrozole or arimidex running throughout the cycle.

Must agree with mem here.  We do seem to keep responding to the same questions over and over.  Read a previous thread or two will ya!

[mojouk]

Ive read previous threads...and all i hear repeated is that sex drive suffers...but im not interested in that...i wanna know if the gains are worth while...and nobody really speaks about that

i hear mixed things...ive got a couple of friends who both only just use deca and they look lean with heavy mass...they tell me deca only is fine and to avoid test because itll give you the puffy look...then i come on here and all the threads insist its a bad idea...

so im wondering why theres conflicting information ...people say add a bit of test to keep your libido alive...thats fine....but would a course of deca at 400mg with a good diet take me up a 10 - 12 kilos or should i up it to 600mg -

[mem]

I have REALLY TRIED to think of ways of explaining this.
Of several analogies: I LOVE to eat - like to cook...

I think comparing to cooking and using ingredients
in carefully mixed proportions and getting *layers
of taste* - or the way the mouth interprets flavor.

Literally speaking - for given dish - bear with me.
I ALWAYS roast onion, garlic (ginger when possible)
use pepper (maybe salt) at times sugar for balancing,
and certain herbs. Of course, individual amounts
vary wildly . . . many factors.

Similarly, The different (choices of) hormones that make-up
particular cycles take time to (effectively) tailor. So, at times
(we) are all asked collectively what, why and how much.
We are all different but the *general rules apply*
to everyone, but we each respond differently.
**each have a different sense of taste**

Combine you supplements wisely - single ingredient routines SUCK!

SALT (alone?) added to ANY DISH (generally) sucks.
The combination(s) that you choose ARE key...
Test, Deca, HCG and an Estrogen antagonist
IS a (great) beggining . . . best of luck.

Deca is great (I love IT!), but when used alone
(not ideal) - could serve more to (de)stabilized as
many aspects of your being (be disruptive).

[muscle19]

test is always the base of every cycle in my opinion, a cycle is just not a cycle without test baby!


muscle

[mojouk]

i apprecaite the analogy

ok...il add a little test ...
but something insignificant...for the purpose of avoiding libido disruption

250 mg per week and discontinue it a month after my last deca shot.

seeing as im only using 250 mg per week of test should i up my deca intake to 600mg or should 400mg suffice...

bear in mind the reason the test is so low is to avoid the puffy face and puffy mass appearance.

[mem]

500 mgs test (most important of the 2) and add 400 mgs. of deca. Like salt and pepper...
I never have used (needed) more than 400 mgs of deca . . .
would rather *combined in* something else like EQ

Any puffy face (far more) likely due to sebsequently
elevated estrogens (thus the) use of blockers
or even better estrogen antagonist . . .
and your dietary choices . . . WILL help a lot.

NO Potatoe Chips (or fast food) for you pal . . .

Are you over weight (out of shape) at the moment? In other words why are you worried??
or are you more lean in appearance?

[muscle19]

never go below 500mg test/wk, ull shut ur self down hard and not see anything off it. and never do more deca or eq than ur test amount.


muscle

[mojouk]

NO IM NOT OUT OF SHAPE...BUT EVERY TIME I DO TEST MY FACE PUFFS UP LIKE A BEECH BALL...SO I SWORE NOT TO USE IT AGAIN

YOU SEE HOW JAY CUTLER LOOKS COMPARED TO HOW HE USED TO LOOK BACK IN THE DAY ...ITS SOMETHING LIKE THAT BUT NOT AS PRONOUNCED...

AND MOST OF MY GYM BUDDIES TELL ME TEST ISNT ALL THAT NECESSARY...THEYRE ON DECA AND D - BOL AND HAVE A LOT TO SHOW FOR IT...SOLID HEAVY MASS WITH VERY LITTLE BODY FAT...

BUT MOST PEOPLE DISCOURAGE DECA ONLY VEHEMENTLY...MAYBE BRITS AND YANKS ARE BUILT DIFFERENTLY...IVE GOT HCG WILL THAT HELP EASE THE DECA SHUT DOWN

[muscle19]

it could, if u use test, add proviron, it helps keep the water off, i really like the stuff so far, first time using it and already see results from it. everybody is different, i will always use test in my cycles but that doesnt mean that it will work the same way with me than u, see what u respond to and use it.


muscle

[mem]

- - NO IM NOT OUT OF SHAPE...BUT EVERY TIME I DO TEST MY FACE PUFFS UP LIKE A BEECH BALL...SO I SWORE NOT TO USE IT AGAIN - -

Thanks for answering (I was not trying to be an ASS).
It was more based on (what?) your expectations maybe

Some may be predisposed - *family genetic influences*

My family profile . . .
predisposition - I have (lean framed family),
I have *Frank Zane* like small boned frame and
reasonable mass so I look full and shaped
not smoothed out . . . would show (water)

Food wise: I could eat a can of Albacore before
bed and guarenteed (watered up) wearing IT in
my face the next morning. At 45 - I have to watch
more closely (than even before) to the food that I
eat during cycle with fluid/mineral issues of therapy.

- - it could, if u use test, add proviron, it helps keep the water off,
i really like the stuff so far, first time using it
and already see results from it.
everybody is different, - -

- - i will always use test in my cycles
but that doesnt mean that it will
work the same way with me than u,
see what u respond to and use it. - -

muscle

Always use test,
And do hormone balancing/support,
PCT during & post.

I want to try Proviron . . .
as a part of  P C T
great mention!

Smart Muscles Man! 

[sportingsteroids]

is a deca only cycle worth my while...
apart from the libido problems...will i make gains on it...say at 400mg per week...
should i take more or less...
i dont wanna add test cos i dont want that puffy look...
the same happens with the d bol...will deca alone be sufficient ?

hi, just add test e 500mg/week in 10 weeks cycle and things will be better,
deca alone is not good idea !