Author Topic: Ron Paul is NOT Anti-Israel - drinkingwithbob (Read 3649 times)

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #1 on:** January 01, 2012, 10:16:34 PM »

what does he mean by saying Ron Paul is not an isolationist? Everyone keeps calling Paul that... Isn't that what he is? Is drinkingwithbob wrong?

howardroark · « **Reply #2 on:** January 01, 2012, 10:26:32 PM »

woot woot! I just got stickied!

isolationist - doesn't want contact with outside world so avoids others at all costs (trade barriers, anti-diplomatic, autarky)

noninterventionist - doesn't want government intervening in others' affairs, unless absolutely necessary (free trade, pro-diplomacy, applies just war theory, etc.)

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #3 on:** January 01, 2012, 10:30:03 PM »

Quote from: howardroark on January 01, 2012, 10:26:32 PM

woot woot! I just got stickied!

isolationist - doesn't want contact with outside world so avoids others at all costs (trade barriers, anti-diplomatic, autarky)

noninterventionist - doesn't want government intervening in others' affairs, unless absolutely necessary (free trade, pro-diplomacy, applies just war theory, etc.)

I'm hoping HH6 can explain it to me in greater detail. I just don't get it. Paul must be an isolationist right... Everyone who hates him says so...
I also know Beach Bum will love this sticky. He has praised so many drinkingwithbob videos so I felt compelled to sticky this in his honor.

howardroark · « **Reply #4 on:** January 01, 2012, 10:41:42 PM »

HH6 has admitted he believes that it is moral to pour over a trillion dollars down the drain and waste thousands of American lives in waging an aggressive war against third world countries in order to keep gasoline a few cents cheaper.

Beach Bum thinks it's our duty to protect Israel, even though doing so harms US interests.

Compare that theory of a just war to Ron Paul's: we should only wage defensive wars (e.g. killing Bin Laden and then getting the fuck out).

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #5 on:** January 02, 2012, 07:39:42 AM »

3333, your favorite buddy talking here..... What, no words? lol

BB, how often you praise drinkingwithbob... should I quote your praises? lol.. No words?

HH6, will you cross the famous drinkingwithbob with your wisdom of why he is wrong?

Ohhhhhh. happy day....

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #6 on:** January 02, 2012, 07:45:55 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on January 02, 2012, 07:39:42 AM

3333, your favorite buddy talking here..... What, no words? lol

BB, how often you praise drinkingwithbob... should I quote your praises? lol.. No words?

HH6, will you cross the famous drinkingwithbob with your wisdom of why he is wrong?

Ohhhhhh. happy days....

What? I am voting for RP in the primary and A B O in the GE. I don't think Paul is anti israel since he is saying we should not be paying for anyone or telling others what to do.

No candidate is perfect, RP certainly, but you have to go with who agrees with you the most on most things. Right now RP is that guy for me. Some of his statements on iran are bizarre though.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #7 on:** January 02, 2012, 07:58:34 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on January 02, 2012, 07:45:55 AM

What? I am voting for RP in the primary and A B O in the GE. I don't think Paul is anti israel since he is saying we should not be paying for anyone or telling others what to do.

No candidate is perfect, RP certainly, but you have to go with who agrees with you the most on most things. Right now RP is that guy for me. Some of his statements on iran are bizarre though.

hey bubba, I just thought it was odd that you would not comment on a thread that involved your favorite youtube star. BB and HH have more to answer for than you lol.

But anyway, since you're now posting in the thread, I'll ask, do you agree with everything Bob said and if not what points?

howardroark · « **Reply #8 on:** January 02, 2012, 08:10:10 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on January 02, 2012, 07:45:55 AM

What? I am voting for RP in the primary and A B O in the GE. I don't think Paul is anti israel since he is saying we should not be paying for anyone or telling others what to do.

No candidate is perfect, RP certainly, but you have to go with who agrees with you the most on most things. Right now RP is that guy for me. Some of his statements on iran are bizarre though.

What do you think is so bizarre regarding what Ron Paul has to say about Iran?

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #9 on:** January 02, 2012, 08:18:35 AM »

"there is only one person in this election looking out for your best interests, and that's RON PAUL"--drinkingwithbob!!!!!!

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #10 on:** January 02, 2012, 08:33:02 AM »

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #11 on:** January 02, 2012, 08:39:52 AM »

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240 is Back · « **Reply #12 on:** January 02, 2012, 11:30:02 AM »

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Dos Equis · « **Reply #13 on:** January 02, 2012, 11:36:55 AM »

Meh. He's wrong. If Israel goes to war with Iran you better believe it will not just involve just Israel and Iran. We'd be involved, along with a lot of other countries.

howardroark · « **Reply #14 on:** January 02, 2012, 11:52:42 AM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on January 02, 2012, 11:36:55 AM

Meh. He's wrong. If Israel goes to war with Iran you better believe it will not just involve just Israel and Iran. We'd be involved, along with a lot of other countries.

Why? How would a regional war pull the US into it, if it were not for the US government's expansive and aggressive foreign policy?

Dos Equis · « **Reply #15 on:** January 02, 2012, 12:03:20 PM »

Quote from: howardroark on January 02, 2012, 11:52:42 AM

Why? How would a regional war pull the US into it, if it were not for the US government's expansive and aggressive foreign policy?

How would our ally being involved in a war with an enemy in a region full of people who want to kill Americans pull the U.S. into it? That's your question?

headhuntersix · « **Reply #16 on:** January 02, 2012, 12:07:31 PM »

I can't begin to decribe how much a retard old RP is.....and drinking with bob...really? I would burn half the middle east...to ensure that gas was 99%.

howardroark · « **Reply #17 on:** January 02, 2012, 12:09:06 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on January 02, 2012, 12:03:20 PM

How would our ally being involved in a war with an enemy in a region full of people who want to kill Americans pull the U.S. into it? That's your question?

No - my question is that if Ron Paul were our President - and we stopped engaging in entangling alliances, how would a regional war halfway across the world bring our neutral country into the conflict?

"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations -- entangling alliances with none." - Thomas Jefferson

howardroark · « **Reply #18 on:** January 02, 2012, 12:09:45 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on January 02, 2012, 12:07:31 PM

I can't begin to decribe how much a retard old RP is.....and drinking with bob...really? I would burn half the middle east...to ensure that gas was 99%.

Burning half of the Middle East would cause gas prices to skyrocket. Why do you think gas prices are so much higher now than they were in the late 90s?

Dos Equis · « **Reply #19 on:** January 02, 2012, 12:13:28 PM »

Quote from: howardroark on January 02, 2012, 12:09:06 PM

No - my question is that if Ron Paul were our President - and we stopped engaging in entangling alliances, how would a regional war halfway across the world bring our neutral country into the conflict?

"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations -- entangling alliances with none." - Thomas Jefferson

Well, he's never going to be president.

Not sure what "entangling alliances" means, but to the extent it means we no longer have allies, I think that's patently absurd, and an extremely naive world view--which about sums up Ron Paul's foreign policy views.

Dealing with the real world, there is no way a war in the Middle East between Jews and Muslims would only involve Jews and Muslims. There almost certainly be other countries supporting one side or the other. There is no way we would sit on the sidelines eating popcorn while they wipe each other out.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #20 on:** January 02, 2012, 12:16:41 PM »

Quote from: howardroark on January 02, 2012, 12:09:45 PM

Burning half of the Middle East would cause gas prices to skyrocket. Why do you think gas prices are so much higher now than they were in the late 90s?

I don't think you get it...I don't really care what we have to do ensure that oild flows and our standard of living remains the same. Your idiot would ensure that all the nutbags would continue to grow unchecked until they threaten us directly here. You really need to get out more. RP is as bad if not worse then Obama. He's a winiy psuedo liberal pansy.

howardroark · « **Reply #21 on:** January 02, 2012, 12:17:22 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on January 02, 2012, 12:13:28 PM

Well, he's never going to be president.

Not sure what "entangling alliances" means, but to the extent it means we no longer have allies, I think that's patently absurd, and an extremely naive world view--which about sums up Ron Paul's foreign policy views.

Dealing with the real world, there is no way a war in the Middle East between Jews and Muslims would only involve Jews and Muslims. There almost certainly be other countries supporting one side or the other. There is no way we would sit on the sidelines eating popcorn while they wipe each other out.

Naive foreign policy? A naive foreign policy is going around the world and waging wars for causes that harm our interests.

If Israel and Iran wants to duke it out - which is doubtful if you understand the actual conditions present in the Middle East - then it shouldn't be the role of the US to pour billions (trillions?) of dollars down the drain and waste thousands of young American lives for someone else's war.

howardroark · « **Reply #22 on:** January 02, 2012, 12:19:38 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on January 02, 2012, 12:16:41 PM

I don't think you get it...I don't really care what we have to do ensure that oild flows and our standard of living remains the same. Your idiot would ensure that all the nutbags would continue to grow unchecked until they threaten us directly here. You really need to get out more. RP is as bad if not worse then Obama. He's a winiy psuedo liberal pansy.

You would do anything to make sure oil flows into the United States? So you would spend the US into bankruptcy in order to make sure that oil was a few dollars a barrel cheaper?

Well guess what - you don't have to do anything. The economies of the Middle East are dependent on selling us oil. No matter how much they hate us, they'll sell us oil, unless they want to starve to death.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #23 on:** January 02, 2012, 12:23:09 PM »

Quote from: howardroark on January 02, 2012, 12:17:22 PM

Naive foreign policy? A naive foreign policy is going around the world and waging wars for causes that harm our interests.

If Israel and Iran wants to duke it out - which is doubtful if you understand the actual conditions present in the Middle East - then it shouldn't be the role of the US to pour billions (trillions?) of dollars down the drain and waste thousands of young American lives for someone else's war.

Absolutely naive. He's about the only person on either side of the aisle, outside of that idiot Kucinich, who thinks if we just leave Iran alone and let them get nukes they will play nice and not attack anyone. If he actually educated himself on what drives radical Islam, he'd know that boots on the ground is only a part of the reason why they hate us. We could pull every Soldier out of the region and they'd still be trying to kill us. His views are dangerous. He should not be in charge of the military.

And no life is wasted. Every single one of them volunteered to serve, and many volunteered while we were at war.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #24 on:** January 02, 2012, 12:24:42 PM »

Howard if you happy to be associated with far left wing nuts, when you vote for RP be my guest. We do not agree on this or anything else as regards American foreign policy.