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« Reply #50 on: January 24, 2012, 04:54:04 AM »


You really are an ignorant moron.   $4 gasoline at the pump was one of the main reasons we went into recession in 2007-2008. 

There is no viable alternative anywhere in the near future so we need oil, and better to get it from friendly neighbors instead of tyrants. 

Until energy prices come down, we will be stuck in the mudd. 
I just said 2008 was about oil, do you even read what i said. There's no viable alternative so we wait until price comes down?
News flash prices aren't going down. There's a limited supply and growing demand. And for the record there is alternatives, it's not just cars running on beerfarts. It's about getting consumption rates down, we gotta phase out inefficiencies. America consumes far too much oil for it's population. We don't need a slightly cheaper import source, it changes nothing.

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« Reply #51 on: January 24, 2012, 05:01:06 AM »
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I just said 2008 was about oil, do you even read what i said. There's no viable alternative so we wait until price comes down?
News flash prices aren't going down. There's a limited supply and growing demand. And for the record there is alternatives, it's not just cars running on beerfarts. It's about getting consumption rates down, we gotta phase out inefficiencies. America consumes far too much oil for it's population. We don't need a slightly cheaper import source, it changes nothing.

Consumption in america is down asswipe. 

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« Reply #52 on: January 24, 2012, 05:06:31 AM »
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Consumption in america is down asswipe. 
By was 10-30 percent,  ::) Your a fucking nimrod, I'm talking about 100-200 decrease in oil imports. It can be done and it dosen't need to be in a depressed economy.

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« Reply #53 on: January 24, 2012, 06:03:45 AM »
This Keystone deal really has me thinking for the first time that Obama isn't just incompetent but really out to hurt America.

it really tells me that no US prez will drill domestically or put in that kinda pipeline.

mid east owns us.  no denying it.  i'll be chirping about it in 2016 when prez mitt has also made up a reason to avoid the pipeline.

I dont think it's malicious, or based upon protecting nature.  The mid east is probably just saying "you make a move for independence and that threatens OUR way of living - so if you do that we are going to jack up prices".  It's like giving good prices on books to your friends - then threatening to jack up the prices should he start building his own book store on your block.  They LIKE the usa buying all their oil.

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« Reply #54 on: February 08, 2012, 08:10:28 PM »
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Posted on February 8, 2012 7:05:46 PM EST by kathsua

The keystone pipeline was one of the most well studied, environmentally safe projects in modern history. It was not blocked by Obama because of environmental concerns, it was simply another casualty in a long list of cynical vote-getting ploys to appease Obama's radical base of support, the American People be damned.

It is clear: Our Chicago politician considers his re-election more important than American jobs or energy independence. Better to dump billions into Solyndra and a host of other feel-good, politically correct scams.

This administration has gone beyond corrupt or incompetent; it is placing the survival of the United States in jeopardy. The decline of our country pivots around one point - the failed policies of the Obama administration.

The Chinese laugh while they will fuel their economy with Canadian oil that should have been flowing into the heart of American industry.

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« Reply #55 on: February 08, 2012, 08:35:09 PM »
it really tells me that no US prez will drill domestically or put in that kinda pipeline.

mid east owns us.  no denying it.  i'll be chirping about it in 2016 when prez mitt has also made up a reason to avoid the pipeline.

I dont think it's malicious, or based upon protecting nature.  The mid east is probably just saying "you make a move for independence and that threatens OUR way of living - so if you do that we are going to jack up prices".  It's like giving good prices on books to your friends - then threatening to jack up the prices should he start building his own book store on your block.  They LIKE the usa buying all their oil.
I dont have the words to properly express the idiocy that you present to us on a daily basis.

Lets just leave it at your a fucking moron and you shouldnt be allowed near a computer let alone a voting booth.

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Re: Obama to veto Keystone Pipeline today. - IS THERE ANY DOUBT LEFT?
« Reply #56 on: February 09, 2012, 11:09:58 AM »
China, Canada reach deals on oil, uranium and air travel
Ottawa Citizen ^ | February 9, 2012 | Jason Fekete



China and Canada declared Thursday that bilateral relations have reached "a new level" following a series of multibillion-dollar trade and business agreements to ship additional Canadian petroleum, uranium and other products to the Asian superpower.

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Harper has said building pipelines to the West Coast — such as the proposed Enbridge Northern Gateway oilsands pipeline and a separate one for liquefied natural gas — is a national priority as Canada looks to ship its vast resources to Asia.

Enbridge CEO Pat Daniel said the commitment by the Chinese and Canadian governments for a strategic energy partnership will allow Canada to diversify its oil-and-gas export markets beyond the United States and enable China to broaden its supply base.


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« Reply #57 on: February 09, 2012, 12:59:17 PM »
WTF is this place? is this what america is like, do you guys have to suffer morons like this each day?

the fucking pipeline would have wrecked a very sensitive ecologically important area. The right thing to do for our future is to find a route to get the oil that doesn't rape the world. Are you fucking morons not aware that we live on a planet? that we can destroy it by ecologically devestation. You sound like you are unaware of what the removal of various ecosystems will have on earth, look at the issues with honey bees, no pollinators no food moron.

you guys are stupid people, you have been propagandized to the moon, its like a comedy show, you act like the people in congress act, completely fucking oblivious and opinionated at the same time.

Bill o'reilly type dumb.

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« Reply #58 on: February 09, 2012, 01:03:42 PM »
WTF is this place? is this what america is like, do you guys have to suffer morons like this each day?

the fucking pipeline would have wrecked a very sensitive ecologically important area. The right thing to do for our future is to find a route to get the oil that doesn't rape the world. Are you fucking morons not aware that we live on a planet? that we can destroy it by ecologically devestation. You sound like you are unaware of what the removal of various ecosystems will have on earth, look at the issues with honey bees, no pollinators no food moron.

you guys are stupid people, you have been propagandized to the moon, its like a comedy show, you act like the people in congress act, completely fucking oblivious and opinionated at the same time.

Bill o'reilly type dumb.



LOL     - i bet you still believe in global warming too.   

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« Reply #59 on: February 09, 2012, 01:10:12 PM »


LOL     - i bet you still believe in global warming too.   

LOL troll. you have to be bluto, theres no way someone like you exists and is able to use a computer.

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« Reply #60 on: February 09, 2012, 01:12:52 PM »
LOL troll. you have to be bluto, theres no way someone like you exists and is able to use a computer.

Global warming is dead and buried.   Only an idiot buys into that lie.   

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« Reply #61 on: February 09, 2012, 01:25:57 PM »
Global warming is dead and buried.   Only an idiot buys into that lie.   

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« Reply #62 on: February 09, 2012, 01:40:16 PM »


LOL     - i bet you still believe in global warming too.   

only idiots believe man is causing it.

I'd insert the quote bunching in Palin, Romney and newt with Obama and Al Gore on this topic, but why bother.

You're well aware they're all phony idiots.

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« Reply #63 on: February 24, 2012, 05:19:25 AM »
Following Keystone Rejection Canada's Oil Sands Headed to China
oilprice.com ^ | 21 February 2012 | John Daly

Posted on Friday, February 24, 2012 8:02:42 AM by Former Proud Canadian

Beginning in 2005, Congressional Republicans and the oil industry touted the 2,147 mile-long Keystone XL 830,000 barrel per day (bpd) pipeline, running from Canada’s Hardisty, Alberta oil sands to U.S. refineries on the Gulf of Mexico.

But last month, in an attempt to force a decision from the Obama administration on the pipeline, congressional Republicans tacked a rider onto legislation extending the payroll tax cut by requiring the government to decide within 60 days on the issue, which was rejected for the foreseeable future.

Furious at the setback, Canadian Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper threatened to sell the output to China. Last week Harper made an official visit to China and the fruits of that trip are already evident. During a Canada-China business dinner in Guangzhou Harper informed his audience, “We are an emerging energy superpower. We have abundant supplies of virtually every form of energy. And you know, we want to sell our energy to people who want to buy our energy. It's that simple,” adding that virtually all of Canada's energy exports currently go to the U.S. and that it was “increasingly clear” that Canadian commercial interests are best served by diversifying its energy markets.

Guangdong Province Governor Zhu Xiaodan, who attended the dinner, noted that southern China consumes an enormous and ever growing amount of energy and needs additional supplies, telling his guest, "It's our hope in the future we can import more high-quality energy and resource products from Canada." U.S. government statistics bear Harper’s assertions out - according to the U.S. Energy Administration Canada is now the leading exporter of oil to the United States, providing 2.6 million barrels per day (mbpd) of the 9.03 mbpd the U.S. imports every day.

But for Ottawa finding alternative markets is an increasingly high priority, as oil sands have been under development in Alberta since 1967 and investments there now exceed $97 billion.

An alternative to the fickle Americans seems to be on the horizon and Zhu’s hopes have been answered. The Calgary Herald reported on 17 February that Canadian oilsands producer Cenovus Energy Inc. has sent its first shipment of crude oil to China.

Not via the controversial alternative to Keystone XL, the proposed Northern Gateway pipeline, designed to ship oilsands to Canada’s Pacific coast. According to Cenovus Energy Inc. president and chief executive officer Brian Ferguson, the company has sent its first half tanker-load of oil of roughly 250,000 barrels, to an unspecified Chinese customer.

After telling reporters that Cenovus Energy Inc. tripled its fourth-quarter 2011 profits over the corresponding period in 2010 Ferguson said, "We actually just sold our first cargo last week. It's very significant because what it allows us to do is establish a relationship with refineries in terms of how they value and price Cenovus crude. So it's very significant strategically."

Perhaps not surprisingly, Ferguson participated in Harper's trade mission to China.

How did the Cenovus Energy Inc. oilsands reach Canada’s western coast for transshipment?

According to Ferguson, his firm utilized the existing TransMountain Pipeline, which runs from Edmonton to the Westridge Marine Terminal near Vancouver, sending 12,000 bpd through the facility. While most of Cenovus Energy Inc. oilsands’ oil began to be shipped in late 2011, the majority was sent to customers in California and represents less than 10 percent of Cenovus Energy Inc.’s overall oil output, it helped generate the massive profits that Ferguson crowed about, because the crude received a premium over mid-continent Canadian oil by being priced in relation to Brent crude instead of the less expensive West Texas Intermediate.

As Ferguson noted, “It's allowing us to get tidewater pricing off Brent so there's a significant uplift per barrel in terms of price realization.”

Cenovus Energy Inc. has bigger long-term export plans for its oilsands production beyond a mere 12,000 bpd. Cenovus Energy Inc. is a major backer of Enbridge Inc.'s controversial proposed 745 mile-long, $5.5-billion, 525,000 bpd Northern Gateway pipeline, which would stretch from Bruderheim, northeast of Edmonton, to the coastal community of Kitimat in British Colombia, providing an export link to customers in Asia.

But the Northern Gateway pipeline, with a projected operational date of 2017 is hardly a done deal, having aroused the ire of Canadian environmentalists nationwide.

And Cenovus Energy Inc. is thinking beyond the present, as Ferguson noted that the firm is continuing to seek a joint venture partner for its Telephone Lake oilsands assets in northern Alberta, with international investors increasingly expressing interest.

So, floods of yuan or a pristine environment? It seems that Harper’s government and Cenovus Energy Inc. have no doubt where Canada’s future lies.



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« Reply #64 on: February 24, 2012, 05:34:59 AM »
Following Keystone Rejection Canada's Oil Sands Headed to China
oilprice.com ^ | 21 February 2012 | John Daly

Posted on Friday, February 24, 2012 8:02:42 AM by Former Proud Canadian

Beginning in 2005, Congressional Republicans and the oil industry touted the 2,147 mile-long Keystone XL 830,000 barrel per day (bpd) pipeline, running from Canada’s Hardisty, Alberta oil sands to U.S. refineries on the Gulf of Mexico.

But last month, in an attempt to force a decision from the Obama administration on the pipeline, congressional Republicans tacked a rider onto legislation extending the payroll tax cut by requiring the government to decide within 60 days on the issue, which was rejected for the foreseeable future.

Furious at the setback, Canadian Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper threatened to sell the output to China. Last week Harper made an official visit to China and the fruits of that trip are already evident. During a Canada-China business dinner in Guangzhou Harper informed his audience, “We are an emerging energy superpower. We have abundant supplies of virtually every form of energy. And you know, we want to sell our energy to people who want to buy our energy. It's that simple,” adding that virtually all of Canada's energy exports currently go to the U.S. and that it was “increasingly clear” that Canadian commercial interests are best served by diversifying its energy markets.

Guangdong Province Governor Zhu Xiaodan, who attended the dinner, noted that southern China consumes an enormous and ever growing amount of energy and needs additional supplies, telling his guest, "It's our hope in the future we can import more high-quality energy and resource products from Canada." U.S. government statistics bear Harper’s assertions out - according to the U.S. Energy Administration Canada is now the leading exporter of oil to the United States, providing 2.6 million barrels per day (mbpd) of the 9.03 mbpd the U.S. imports every day.

But for Ottawa finding alternative markets is an increasingly high priority, as oil sands have been under development in Alberta since 1967 and investments there now exceed $97 billion.

An alternative to the fickle Americans seems to be on the horizon and Zhu’s hopes have been answered. The Calgary Herald reported on 17 February that Canadian oilsands producer Cenovus Energy Inc. has sent its first shipment of crude oil to China.

Not via the controversial alternative to Keystone XL, the proposed Northern Gateway pipeline, designed to ship oilsands to Canada’s Pacific coast. According to Cenovus Energy Inc. president and chief executive officer Brian Ferguson, the company has sent its first half tanker-load of oil of roughly 250,000 barrels, to an unspecified Chinese customer. After telling reporters that Cenovus Energy Inc. tripled its fourth-quarter 2011 profits over the corresponding period in 2010 Ferguson said, "We actually just sold our first cargo last week. It's very significant because what it allows us to do is establish a relationship with refineries in terms of how they value and price Cenovus crude. So it's very significant strategically."

Perhaps not surprisingly, Ferguson participated in Harper's trade mission to China.

How did the Cenovus Energy Inc. oilsands reach Canada’s western coast for transshipment?

According to Ferguson, his firm utilized the existing TransMountain Pipeline, which runs from Edmonton to the Westridge Marine Terminal near Vancouver, sending 12,000 bpd through the facility. While most of Cenovus Energy Inc. oilsands’ oil began to be shipped in late 2011, the majority was sent to customers in California and represents less than 10 percent of Cenovus Energy Inc.’s overall oil output, it helped generate the massive profits that Ferguson crowed about, because the crude received a premium over mid-continent Canadian oil by being priced in relation to Brent crude instead of the less expensive West Texas Intermediate.

As Ferguson noted, “It's allowing us to get tidewater pricing off Brent so there's a significant uplift per barrel in terms of price realization.”

Cenovus Energy Inc. has bigger long-term export plans for its oilsands production beyond a mere 12,000 bpd. Cenovus Energy Inc. is a major backer of Enbridge Inc.'s controversial proposed 745 mile-long, $5.5-billion, 525,000 bpd Northern Gateway pipeline, which would stretch from Bruderheim, northeast of Edmonton, to the coastal community of Kitimat in British Colombia, providing an export link to customers in Asia.

But the Northern Gateway pipeline, with a projected operational date of 2017 is hardly a done deal, having aroused the ire of Canadian environmentalists nationwide.

And Cenovus Energy Inc. is thinking beyond the present, as Ferguson noted that the firm is continuing to seek a joint venture partner for its Telephone Lake oilsands assets in northern Alberta, with international investors increasingly expressing interest.

So, floods of yuan or a pristine environment? It seems that Harper’s government and Cenovus Energy Inc. have no doubt where Canada’s future lies.



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Re: Obama to veto Keystone Pipeline today. - IS THERE ANY DOUBT LEFT?
« Reply #65 on: March 09, 2012, 01:18:26 PM »
Wheres that fag KCballer to continue telling us "Wont happen, cant happen, WILL NEVER HAPPEN, you guys are complete morons but I know whats up, lol, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
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Well guess what fag, it happened.

The government rightly decries the length of some environmental hearings. But the opposition to the Gateway pipeline isn’t largely foreign inspired. That argument is a hypocritical diversion – hypocritical, given Canadian interventions in U.S. decisions. The main opposition comes from the multiplicity of aboriginal groups.

The National Energy Board will eventually rubber-stamp the project. It always does, but not until years of hearings – unless the Harper government changes the legislation. Even then, legal challenges will go all the way to the Supreme Court. That court has issued an opaque ruling obliging governments and private interests to consult aboriginals before using land to which they’ve claimed title.

Since B.C. aboriginals have claimed the entire province, sometimes with overlapping claims, and since the B.C. commission supposed to settle land claims has been almost a total bust, the Gateway pipeline has entered the impenetrable thickets of aboriginal politics, title and law – meaning it won’t be built for a very long time, if at all.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/jeffrey-simpson/foreign-money-is-a-hypocritical-diversion/article2297904/

People continued to listen politely as I explained the considerable protection accorded un-extinguished Aboriginal rights under Section 35 of the Constitution Act 1982, as elaborated in the Supreme Court of Canada's decision in the Delgamuukw Case. I quoted The Globe and Mail's Jeffrey Simpson, who in January wrote that "the Gateway pipeline has entered the impenetrable thickets of Aboriginal politics, title and law -- meaning it won't be built for a very long time, if at all."

I reminded the audience that Aboriginal concerns postponed the Mackenzie Valley natural gas pipeline for 10 years, even before Section 35 was adopted. A pipeline that ultimately was not built, after technological change -- in the form of shale gas extraction by fracking -- rendered it unnecessary and uneconomical.

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2012/03/09/Fight-In-Fort-McMurray/

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« Reply #66 on: March 13, 2012, 09:38:45 AM »
Along with other first-nation communities, the Dene alliance has taken a firm stand against Enbridge Inc.’s plan to build a crude oil pipeline across their land to transport oil-sands bitumen to the B.C. coast for export to Asia.

“We will defend our rights, no matter what bully tactics the federal government throws at us,” she said. “Our decision has been made: Enbridge will never be allowed in our lands.”


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/decrying-ottawas-bully-tactics-bc-natives-vow-to-block-pipeline/article2367739/
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« Reply #67 on: March 13, 2012, 09:39:48 AM »
I hope these eco-nazis keep it up  - obama will be sent packing.   

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« Reply #68 on: April 02, 2012, 09:17:00 PM »
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QMI Agency via Sun News Network ^ | 2012-04-02 | Bryn Weese
Posted on April 2, 2012 10:08:44 PM EDT by Clive

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Even if President Barack Obama approved the controversial Keystone XL pipeline tomorrow, at least some Canadian oil would still flow to Asia, according to Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

In a public one-on-one interview here with Jane Harman, head of the Wilson Centre think-tank, Harper said Obama's rejection of the controversial pipeline -- even temporarily -- stressed Canada's need to find other buyers for oilsands crude.

And that wouldn't change even if the president's mind did.

"Look, the very fact that a 'no' could even be said underscores to our country that we must diversify our energy export markets," Harper told Harman in front of a live audience of businesspeople, scholars, diplomats, and journalists.

"We cannot be, as a country, in a situation where our one and, in many cases, only energy partner could say no to our energy products. We just cannot be in that position."

His wide-ranging question-and-answer at the influential non-partisan think-tank -- which also touched on border security, trade, the Arctic and Syria among other topics -- followed a meeting with Obama and Mexican President Felipe Calderon at the White House for the sixth North American Leaders' Summit.

Harper also told Harman that Canada has been selling its oil to the United States at a discounted price.

So not only will America be able to buy less Canadian oil even if Keystone is eventually approved, the U.S. will also have to pay more for it because the market for oilsands crude will be more competitive.

"We have taken a significant price hit by virtue of the fact that we are a captive supplier and that just does not make sense in terms of the broader interests of the Canadian economy," Harper said. "We're still going to be a major supplier of the United States. It will be a long time, if ever, before the United States isn't our number one export market, but for us the United States cannot be our only export market.

"That is not in our interest, either commercially or in terms of pricing."

Earlier this year, Obama rejected TransCanada's bid to build the $7 billion pipeline that would carry crude from Alberta to refineries in the Gulf of Mexico.

Obama blamed Republicans in Congress for imposing an arbitrary timeline on him to decide on the project, which he said did not allow enough time for sufficient reviews even though Keystone had been under review for three years already.

Supporters of the project, which include big labour unions and the business community, estimate construction jobs alone to build the pipeline would be in the thousands at a time when the U.S. economy is struggling to recover from the recession.

Polls show some 60% of Americans also support building the pipeline.

But opponents argue developing Canada's oilsands cause high greenhouse gas emissions and worry the pipeline could leak in sensitive environmental areas along the route.

Last month, Obama tried to take credit for expediting the southern leg of the pipeline from Oklahoma to Texas that is going ahead, but the White House has no jurisdiction over the pipeline except where it crosses an international border.

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« Reply #69 on: April 04, 2012, 03:03:16 PM »
Barack Obama opened the way for the oil sands to cultivate Asia as a more reliable energy customer

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ADAM WATEROUS


The Keystone XL delay was a gift to Canada


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/the-keystone-xl-delay-was-a-gift-to-canada/article2391122/print




Vladimir Putin spent much of 2008 in a dispute with Ukraine over the price of natural gas supplied by Gazprom, the state-owned Russian energy company. Negotiations culminated in early 2009, when, in a moment of brinkmanship, Mr. Putin briefly cut off supplies to Ukraine, through which Russia ships 80 per cent of its Europe-bound gas.

While this muscle-flexing may have given Moscow a short-term political boost, the incident signalled to Europe the danger of depending on Russia for its gas supplies. Europe has since worked to diversify its energy sources, including potentially restarting nuclear facilities and increasing the amount of imported gas from Norway and the Caspian. Major European oil and gas companies (including Shell, BP, Total, Statoil, BG and Repsol) have all since invested tens of billions of dollars in U.S. shale gas, in part to learn techniques for developing that resource in Europe.

The results are clear: Ukraine has pledged to reduce Russian gas imports by two-thirds, and the European Union as a whole reduced Russian gas imports by 30 per cent last year. In other words, Mr. Putin’s political grandstanding backfired – it has actually made Europe more energy independent.

U.S. President Barack Obama’s decision to delay, for a second time, approval of the Keystone XL pipeline has become his Putin moment.

For most of the previous 80 years, Canada and the United States enjoyed a mutually beneficial supplier-customer relationship. In 2011, Canada supplied the U.S. with 2.1 million barrels of oil and 8.9 billion cubic feet of gas a day, making Canada the largest source of imported U.S. oil and gas.

Keystone XL was designed to further strengthen the Canada-U.S. relationship by shipping bitumen from Alberta’s oil sands to Gulf Coast refineries for upgrading. It received Canada’s National Energy Board approval in March of 2010, and South Dakota Public Utilities Commission approval in February of 2010. Later that year, the Environmental Protection Agency said that, with proper safeguards, the pipeline would present “no significant impact” on most resources.

Since Mr. Obama’s decision, the Canadian government and private enterprise have been doing what any supplier would do when it discovers that a customer is not reliable – they are working to diversify their market. Fortunately for Canada, Asia is more than willing to step in. Prime Minister Stephen Harper went to China in February to encourage Chinese investment in the oil sector. He has declared that regulatory approval for Northern Gateway, a proposed oil sands pipeline to the West Coast, is a national priority.

Asia has responded enthusiastically. Since Mr. Obama first raised concern about Keystone in September, the pace of Asian investment in the Canadian energy sector has increased. In October, Sinopec announced it was acquiring Daylight Energy for $2.1-billion. In February, Mitsubishi invested $2.9-billion in a joint venture with Encana on its B.C. gas assets. Both are looking at the potential to ship gas to B.C. for the Asian liquefied natural gas market. In January, PetroChina expanded its oil sands investments by acquiring, for $680-million, additional oil sands assets from Athabasca Oil Sands Corp. In February, PetroChina acquired a 20-per-cent interest in Shell’s Groundbirch asset for an undisclosed amount. Sinopec is also a major investor in the Canadian oil sands market and an investor in the Gateway pipeline.

In addition to diversifying away from its unreliable customer, Canada will get two additional benefits of forging a relationship with Asia.

First, Canada will get better oil prices. Canadian oil currently sells at a discount to world markets due to lack of capacity out of the U.S. Midwest at Cushing, Okla. In 2011, this discount between West Texas Intermediate and Brent cost producers amounted to $4.6-billion, according to oil consultant Peter Tertzakian. Keystone XL would help to alleviate this bottleneck. Canada has awakened to the fact that it does not need to be a price taker, dependent on internal U.S. price dynamics. According to a December report by oil consultant Wood Mackenzie, Canadian producers will lose $8-billion in revenue a year by 2020 if U.S. bottlenecks are not loosened.

Second, Canada will get cheap capital. As Canada shifts its focus away from the U.S. to Asia, the Canadian oil and gas industry is getting access to lower cost Asian capital. With more than $134-billion in oil sands projects under construction or about to start, Canada needs to find investment dollars with the lowest investment hurdle rate.

Perhaps sensing his foolishness, Mr. Obama recently welcomed TransCanada’s proposal to build the southern leg of Keystone XL. Unfortunately, his actions may be too little, too late. Even with the likely eventual approval of Keystone XL in 2013, Mr. Obama will be closing the barn door after the horses are gone. He has clearly given Canada (and China) a wonderful gift.

Adam Waterous is vice-chairman, head of Scotiabank Global Investment Banking, and president and head of Scotia Waterous, the oil-and-gas mergers and acquisitions division of Scotiabank’s Global Banking and Markets division.

© 2012 The Globe and Mail Inc. All Rights Reserved.

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Re: Obama to veto Keystone Pipeline today. - IS THERE ANY DOUBT LEFT?
« Reply #70 on: April 04, 2012, 04:41:10 PM »
Obama sucks. Period. He puts his "green" buddies ahead of the good of his nation, and history will remember that. I was watching the history of Rome and Greece the last few days, and he reminds me of one of Rome's emperors that took over and basically decimated Rome pushing his ideological views on what it "should be".

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Re: Obama to veto Keystone Pipeline today. - IS THERE ANY DOUBT LEFT?
« Reply #71 on: April 09, 2012, 01:24:47 AM »
This Keystone deal really has me thinking for the first time that Obama isn't just incompetent but really out to hurt America.

I was beginning to think the same thing, ...UNTIL his nixxing of Keystone.
That decision quite frankly may just turn out to be a blessing in disguise for you Americans, and here's why.
the Global elitists that run your country, and dictate orders to your politicians wanted that pipeline.
When Obama nixed it, ...he double-crossed the elite. Right now they are so hopping mad, their heads are about to explode!

As a Canadian, these are my thoughts on the matter. I believe Canadian oil will continue to be sold to the US.
Harpers recent trade mission to China was a carefully staged piece of theatre designed to give Americans apoplectic fits.
China will get her energy needs met, whether it be via Iranian, Russian, Nigerian, or Canadian oil... she will get it, and with the assistance of the Saudi's who are building them a massive refinery, she will be able to refine all the crude she needs.

Harper is wise to diversify the market for Canadian exports. Having only one customer is not smart.
His approach is a familiar one we use in network marketing everyday.

It's far better to have 10,000 customers buying $1 worth of goods every month, than it is to have 1 customer who purchases $10,000 every month. You lose 1 customer in the first scenario, you barely feel it, ...but in the latter scenario, you're screwed. As it is we don't have the demographics to support all of our industries. We're an exporting nation who's biggest customer is the USA who takes approx. 70% of our exports. Pretty soon, our biggest customer will not have the ability to pay for our products anymore. Forging trade deals with other countries is the wise & prudent move to take IMO
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Re: Obama to veto Keystone Pipeline today. - IS THERE ANY DOUBT LEFT?
« Reply #72 on: April 17, 2012, 03:17:07 PM »
White House threatens veto over Keystone amendment
4/17/12 4:07 PM

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In a statement, the Office of Management and Budget said it would recommend the president veto the House transportation extension bill because it incudes a Keystone pipeline amendment that "circumvents a longstanding and proven process for determining whether cross-border pipelines are in the national interest by mandating the permitting of the Keystone XL pipeline before a new route has been submitted and assessed."


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« Reply #73 on: April 17, 2012, 03:26:56 PM »
White House threatens veto of highway bill over Keystone pipeline provision
By Ben Geman - 04/17/12 04:28 PM ET
 


 
 The White House on Tuesday threatened to veto House legislation to extend transportation programs because it contains GOP language that mandates approval of the Keystone XL oil sands pipeline.

The House is slated to vote Wednesday on the bill that keeps the transportation programs funded through September, the end of the fiscal year.



It would take permitting of the proposed Alberta-to-Texas pipeline away from the State Department and task the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission with approving the project.

“Because this bill circumvents a longstanding and proven process for determining whether cross-border pipelines are in the national interest by mandating the permitting of the Keystone XL pipeline before a new route has been submitted and assessed, the president’s senior advisers would recommend that he veto this legislation,” the White House said in a formal “statement of administration policy” Tuesday afternoon.




The threat continues the political thrust-and-parry between the White House and Republicans over the controversial project that is increasingly at the center of election-year energy battles.

The White House in January rejected TransCanada Corp.’s permit for the pipeline, but stressed the decision was not on the “merits.”

Instead, the White House said that a permitting deadline the GOP demanded in late 2011 payroll tax legislation would short-circuit proper review of Keystone, including the route around ecologically sensitive regions of Nebraska.

The White House has invited TransCanada to reapply but does not plan to make a decision until 2013.

The statement issued Tuesday says the House bill wrongly demands approval of the project “despite the fact that the pipeline route has yet to be identified and there is no complete assessment of its potential impacts, including impacts on health and safety, the economy, foreign policy, energy security and the environment.”

Republicans and business groups have in recent months launched a political assault against the White House over the lack of a permit for Keystone, alleging Obama is missing a chance to boost U.S. energy security and create thousands of jobs. Some Democrats and major unions also back the project, although labor is not unanimous on the matter, and the AFL-CIO has not taken a position amid the divide.

Environmentalists and a number of Democrats strongly oppose Keystone because of greenhouse gas emissions from extracting and burning oil sands, forest damage from the massive projects and fear of spills along the pipeline route.

The Senate in March blocked an amendment to its multi-year transportation package that would have forced approval of the project using somewhat different language than the current House plan.

But 11 Democrats broke ranks with the White House even though President Obama personally lobbied against the GOP-led amendment.

Tuesday’s White House statement also criticizes other aspects of the House bill to extend transportation programs, noting the administration “strongly opposes” the bill.

“By simply extending current authority through the end of the fiscal year, this legislation would miss a critical opportunity to provide more certainty to states and localities as they undertake the long-term planning and execution of projects and programs that are essential to creating and keeping American workers in good paying jobs, improving the nation’s surface transportation infrastructure, and ensuring roadway safety,” the White House said.


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Re: Obama to veto Keystone Pipeline today. - IS THERE ANY DOUBT LEFT?
« Reply #74 on: April 18, 2012, 08:59:53 PM »
For the first time since President Obama issued a controversial order halting its progress, the proposed Keystone XL Pipeline is once again on track for bureaucratic review after TransCanada submitted a new route through Nebraska designed to avoid environmentally sensitive areas.

The new plan, which TransCanada submitted to the Nebraska Department of Environmental Quality on Wednesday, takes the Keystone project out of the deep freeze that began in January when Obama agreed with the recommendation of the State Department to reject the initial pipeline application.

This new development, first reported by Fox News, allows Nebraska officials to review the impact of the pipeline's adjusted route. It also opens the door for the pipeline's builder, TransCanada, to submit a new complete proposal covering the entire length of the pipeline to the State Department for its review.

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