Serious thread, Ephedrine

[Raymondo]

  Ephedrine is completely unnecessary for weight loss. The side effects are terrible, and it is not really effective. Also, combined with caffeine, it seriously increases your risk of having an ischemic stroke - caffeine constricts your blood vessels and ephedrine boosts heart rate to a degree comparable to cocaine. The two combined thus dramatically increase blood pressure. Caffeine plus ephedrine increase metabolic rate by a measly 10%, so 10% more fat burning. Is it worth it? Also, an increased metabolic rate comes at the cost of higher oxidative stress and thus accelerated ageing.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

The chances of ischemic stroke are negligible at the safest recommended doses.
Also the EC stack has a muscle-sparing effect, which is invaluable when dieting.
Further the increase to metabolic rate is not set, but rises over time.

[Metabolic]

Question...

What is the difference between Ephedra and Ephedrine?


I used to take ephedra back in the day when it was still legal!

Ephedra is the naturally occuring chemical, ephedrine is done in labs

  Ephedrine is completely unnecessary for weight loss. The side effects are terrible, and it is not really effective. Also, combined with caffeine, it seriously increases your risk of having an ischemic stroke - caffeine constricts your blood vessels and ephedrine boosts heart rate to a degree comparable to cocaine. The two combined thus dramatically increase blood pressure. Caffeine plus ephedrine increase metabolic rate by a measly 10%, so 10% more fat burning. Is it worth it? Also, an increased metabolic rate comes at the cost of higher oxidative stress and thus accelerated ageing.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Yeah and beta receptors agonism, you dont know everything of drugs contrary to what you think.

[Metabolic]

over dosed on ECA stack  

next thing you know, he will over dose on whey protein

Yup, it is exactly the same to take a sympathomimetic than to eat a macronutrient.

[dr.chimps]

Getting hammered and then loading up on ephedrine!? Shrewd.

[Raymondo]

Nope, not suicide, but I understand the concern, the docs told me the same.  I think it is related to me being obssessed with my looks and all that, which is not sane by anymeans but whatever.

Also, I dont post in BR because its really slow and you have a faster pseudo knowledgable board on drugs here.

Were you given an MRI? Did they look into your brain
Also, seeing as there is a risk for heart damage as well, were you given a heart ultrasound?

[Metabolic]

Were you given an MRI? Did they look into your brain
Also, seeing as there is a risk for heart damage as well, were you given a heart ultrasound?

Yes, all exams turned out negative, no cardiovascular or neurological damage, gladly.




This is a pic from the clinic last night.

[Raymondo]

Yes, all exams turned out negative, no cardiovascular or neurological damage, gladly.




This is a pic from the clinic last night.

yeah, but did they do a heart ultrasound? I'm not taking about an EKG. An ultrasound is where the doctor scans you with a probe over your chest- much like they do with pregnant women- and can see clear images of your heart, all chambers, and the arteries leading into it. That test can take two hours and it's uncomfortable because you have to keep in your breath for most of it (so that clear images can be taken). I know because I had one in 2010- I was taking ephedrine at that time and was concerned after I stopped.

[Metabolic]

yeah, but did they do a heart ultrasound? I'm not taking about an EKG. An ultrasound is where the doctor scans you with a probe over your chest- much like they do with pregnant women- and can see clear images of your heart, all chambers, and the arteries leading into it. That test can take two hours and it's uncomfortable because you have to keep in your breath for most of it (so that clear images can be taken). I know because I had one in 2010- I was taking ephedrine at that time and was concerned after I stopped.

Yes, had that too, it was like 30 mins only though.

[Raymondo]

Well, if you read BR, you know that the max recommended is sixty mg per twenty four hours... split over three doses. and you only ever go above that if it's not affecting you in the least.

You can probably start over again, give yourself a break, like a week or two. It wouldn't be a bad idea to take a break and eat at maintenance... how long have you been dieting for?

Also, why the rush? If you take eph long enough, combined with a sufficient deficit, you'll definitely lose weight.

[240 is Back]

I took 150 mg in 10 hours span. 

oh crap!  with caff and aspirin too?

[apply85]

ephedra is name of plant, ephedrine is the compound that's in it that's good for asthma and lean

[Metabolic]

Well, if you read BR, you know that the max recommended is sixty mg per twenty four hours... split over three doses. and you only ever go above that if it's not affecting you in the least.

You can probably start over again, give yourself a break, like a week or two. It wouldn't be a bad idea to take a break and eat at maintenance... how long have you been dieting for?

Also, why the rush? If you take eph long enough, combined with a sufficient deficit, you'll definitely lose weight.

The rush is vacationn coming up in a week and a half and me having the remnants of love handles, likesmall but Im very conscious about it.  It trully is a ridiculous concern but fuck me, its the whole reason I got int weights for starters, being self conscious.  Maybe its also that Im pretty ireresponsible and have tried mixing drugs before...its not the first time I take a stupid decision of this kind.

[Metabolic]

oh crap!  with caff and aspirin too?

No aspirin, yes caff, weed and alcohol.

[suckmymuscle]

The chances of ischemic stroke are negligible at the safest recommended doses

  Actually, it isn't. Several European governments have withdrawn ephedra and ephedrine-containing products from the market due to several people dying of strokes from it.

Also the EC stack has a muscle-sparing effect, which is invaluable when dieting.

  Sources?

Further the increase to metabolic rate is not set, but rises over time.

  Actually, it decreases over time as beta-adrenergic receptors downregulate, and you have to take more and more ephedrine to get the thermogenic boost.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[dustin]

Jesus... you sound like the type of guy who could get high off a cigarette.

Use less ephedrine and just be concious of your blood sugar levels and what you've eaten in the last while. If you wig out again just stay calm, eat some food and remember to breath. It's only ephedrine, dude lol

[PJim]

I took ephedrine for 5 years straight without any break and never had any problems.

[Metabolic]

Jesus... you sound like the type of guy who could get high off a cigarette.

Use less ephedrine and just be concious of your blood sugar levels and what you've eaten in the last while. If you wig out again just stay calm, eat some food and remember to breath. It's only ephedrine, dude lol

This is what I fear man, I do this every day, but this one time fueck out of my brain I screw up.

[240 is Back]

oh yeah, with all that, it was just a panic attack, right?  normal.

[K-1]

Up the dose, caffeine, throw in some yohimbe and swallow about 5 scoops of Jack3d.

You should be at your goal BF% within and hour or so. Probably dead also, but you will hit your number.

Go Hard!  

[Metabolic]

oh yeah, with all that, it was just a panic attack, right?  normal.

I was scared, yes, but the level of nausea and intestinal pain I was feeling right before getting to the clinic was something I had never felt before, and I had once gone through food poisoning for 9 hours puking.  Luckily I took the decision to go to the clinic fast, I think I skipped the worse part.

[The Showstoppa]

Up the dose.

[dustin]

I was scared, yes, but the level of nausea and intestinal pain I was feeling right before getting to the clinic was something I had never felt before, and I had once gone through food poisoning for 9 hours puking.  Luckily I took the decision to go to the clinic fast, I think I skipped the worse part.

You could have just chilled out and rode it out too. The clinic can't do anything... maybe give you some fluids and that's about it.

Next time, please don't be a pussy and waste a valuable hospital bed because you can't handle your shit. That's really bad form.

[Raymondo]

Up the dose, caffeine, throw in some yohimbe and swallow about 5 scoops of Jack3d.

You should be at your goal BF% within and hour or so. Probably dead also, but you will hit your number.

Go Hard!  

[Metabolic]

You could have just chilled out and rode it out too. The clinic can't do anything... maybe give you some fluids and that's about it.

Next time, please don't be a pussy and waste a valuable hospital bed because you can't handle your shit. That's really bad form.

I deserve all the insults, but no, there was no way I was riding it out, I was about to pass out of pain and puke.

[wes]

You could have just chilled out and rode it out too. The clinic can't do anything... maybe give you some fluids and that's about it.

Next time, please don't be a pussy and waste a valuable hospital bed because you can't handle your shit. That's really bad form.