Would like input on Winstrol

[mem]

Here's an interesting interview from a few yrs back with Paul Borresen R.I.P.

NM: I've often made that same point, but it's amazing how many people don't "get" it.
The low-dosed drugs, like Winstrol, build the most muscle.

PB: Winstrol is a very potent tissue-building drug in the truest sense!
As far as effectiveness in building muscle, 50 mg of Winny tabs will blow
50 mg of Anadrol right out of the water!

First, I liked reading this post about converstion with Paul - it made me think.

I have admittedly ?incorrectly? discounted Winstrol as weak drug
with little potential benefit for my own use. I am NOT interested in
being a whole lot bigger - 200lbs. no more than 210.
More intested with shape and definition.

Do you guys like or have added input for Winstrol??

I (like Paul) have always loved Primobolan Depot - always works well for me . . .
perhaps I should include Winstrol in with this class of drug
when use in an effective combination cycle.

[muscle19]

yo buddy, what dose of primo do u usually go with.?


muscle

[mem]

yo buddy, what dose of primo do u usually go with.?

muscle

Hey wildman!

Sust or Cyp 600-800 total (divided 2x week) sust 1-12/cyp 8-16
Deca 400 to 600 total (devided 2x week) weeks 1-10
then EQ 600 (divided 2x week) weeks 6-16
200 Primobolan (divided 2x week) weeks 10-16 (dont have much of)
and (of course) HgH 4 iu ed - comfort permitting 

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I have been meaning to PM the past couple days
I have (still) sort of been in a funk . . .

Take care muscle - talk with you soon

- - - -  OH!

? ? ? any input on Winstrol ? ? ?

[Crazy-canuck]

Sust or Cyp 300-400 (2x week) sust 1-12/cyp 8-16
Deca 200 to 300 (2x week) weeks 1-10
then EQ 300 (2x week) weeks 6-16
100 Primobolan (2 x week) weeks 10-16 (dont have much of)
and (of course) HgH 4 iu ed - comfort permitting 

Mem, the only reason I can think of to run Sust then phase in Cyp would be for the short acting ester's in Sust.  Is this why you are doing it?

If it is imo this is a wste of cash.  Sust's are expensive ($6-9 an amp on average) compared to Prop ($15-20 for 10ml vial) which imo would be a much better choice.  Why not run the Prop weeks 1-6 and the Cyp from week one as well.

To me the dose's look low and do you think it is a good idea to run Deca the Eq like that.  They both half longer half lives then Test-C and will take three weeks to kick in.  Also I would get some more Primo or leave it out at that dose you wouldn't see much of a difference bro.

I am not slamming you bro I just want to understand your reasoning.  Also you are one who always seems to provide useful answers here instead of just making drama.

CC.

[Arnold jr]

I am still not convinced either way about the effects of Winstrol.  Finishing up a cycle right now where the last 6 weeks I took 50mg 5 days wk.  the first 10 weeks of the cycle were sust and decca, and I gained alot of straight and mass off of that,  Since starting the winny I haven't put on any more size but I am no doubt harder, much harder.  So in that respect it is a positive, I have also read before that winny helps solidify your gains a bit more than if you didn't take it, any thoughts on that?  I will tell you one thing I hate about winny is the the way my joints feel when on it.  It's not unbearable, but irritating.

[mem]

I have (had) 2 bottles of Sust and 1 bottle of Cypionate
I just wanted the faster acting of the 2 on the front.
I have both as prescription HRT.  pretty cool. . .

I am NOT 25 years old . . . I have done variation of this cycle before - I T  W O R KS !!!

- - If it is imo this is a wste of cash. Sust's are expensive ($6-9 an amp on average)
compared to Prop ($15-20 for 10ml vial) which imo would be a much better choice.
Why not run the Prop weeks 1-6 and the Cyp from week one as well. - -

I agree would piggy back prop and cyp from start, this IS what I had . . .
I LIKE sust the very best though - it works  v e r y  well for me
NOT an matter of cost - who cares??

- - To me the dose's look low and do you think it is a good idea to run Deca the Eq like that.
They both half longer half lives then Test-C and will take three weeks to kick in. - -

CC.

I wanted Deca/EQ overlapp with longer acting aspect of deca did not want to dip in levels . . .

Thanks for input man

I had intially planned going easier on test. 400-500 wk
But after reading here - prospects of receptor upregulation
(not down) as previously believed . . .

I have never done more than 400 mgs of deca a week test
you may have misread (I  w a s  showing) 600 dosed (divided) 2x week
600-800 mgs (divided) 2x week of test - these are safe, modest
ADULT amounts I am 45 can only handle certain amount.

[mem]

I am still not convinced either way about the effects of Winstrol.  Finishing up a cycle right now where the last 6 weeks I took 50mg 5 days wk.  the first 10 weeks of the cycle were sust and decca, and I gained alot of straight and mass off of that,  Since starting the winny I haven't put on any more size but I am no doubt harder, much harder.  So in that respect it is a positive, I have also read before that winny helps solidify your gains a bit more than if you didn't take it, any thoughts on that?  I will tell you one thing I hate about winny is the the way my joints feel when on it.  It's not unbearable, but irritating.

Thanks for specifically addressing the question related to my post . . .

I always have liked Test (esp. sust) and Deca - makes me thick and solid
and with arimidex - I am really tight - FULL but not excessively watered down...
I have always *used* Primo to tighten up - like you suggest with Winny.
I am prescribed Deca specific to joint pains.

Winny probably not good then... but that IS what I was thinking about it for.
Sustituting the Primo (I have 40 PD amps from spain)

[Crazy-canuck]

Yeah it's cool bro.  Like I said I wasn't racking ya or anything, just wanted to understand the reasoning behind it.  As it turns out I need to read things more carefully to boot...

CC.

[Sir Duchaine]

First, I liked reading this post about converstion with Paul - it made me think.

I have admittedly ?incorrectly? discounted Winstrol as weak drug
with little potential benefit for my own use. I am NOT interested in
being a whole lot bigger - 200lbs. no more than 210.
More intested with shape and definition.

Do you guys like or have added input for Winstrol??

I (like Paul) have always loved Primobolan Depot - always works well for me . . .
perhaps I should include Winstrol in with this class of drug
when use in an effective combination cycle.

LOL, shit dude, that was the interview when Paul 'smack addict' Borresen and Nelson 'idiot' Montana stated that veterinary steroids wouldnt work in humans because - and get ready for this - they are made for animal receptors, LOL, after the interview popped up on Tmag the clowns were fucking slaughtered for it

Talk about losing credibility in the blink of an eye

Paul was a nutball that conned many people, he is dead now, the end

The comments about Winstrol are bollocks too, winstrol has its place, always has, always wil

[mem]

LOL, shit dude, that was the interview when Paul 'smack addict' Borresen and Nelson 'idiot' Montana stated that veterinary steroids wouldnt work in humans because - and get ready for this - they are made for animal receptors, LOL, after the interview popped up on Tmag the clowns were fucking slaughtered for it

Talk about losing credibility in the blink of an eye

Paul was a nutball that conned many people, he is dead now, the end

The comments about Winstrol are bollocks too, winstrol has its place, always has, always wil

Hey SD thanks for input...

I gather that you are upset  - the meat of your message - I do respect your views. 
I don't agree or disagree - with Paul that is - wouldn't even say right or wrong.
Honestly I have not *followed any of his work* - did not even know of' him 
Have not followed the trade rags or *marketing hype* and politics of this feild.
Mostly, ONLY worshiped with/the iron.

Some (aspects) of what Paul said registered (for me) with direct (personal) experience (1)
Other aspects of what was suggested - stretched my thoughts a bit - made me T H I N K (2)
ALL good . . .

I have evolved (with others help) by sharing our (collective) knowledge and experience
learning alot more **about what I (we)*already* know about all this** esoteric subject.
We each have the tools (know certain things), it is more of matter of us learning new uses
for the tools in our (respective) tool belts. I am greatful to many people, great mentors...

??I (think that) kind of' kranked of you (in one of your posts) related to oral cycles??
I thought the recommendation was for Winny and another oral. Or just one alone.
Nothing at all personal (towards you) more related to my experiences. 

I am not big on tabs . . . don't do oral  (eww bad grammer )
Oral based hormones scare me.  w u s s y  maybe
modest things like DHEA . . . goofy . . . I  k n o w.
*Its just not the way the body deals with hormones*
EG. the digestive tract or system. . . . d a m n !

The comments about Winstrol are bollocks too, winstrol has its place, always has, always wil

- - - -  SO - - - -  ?DO? you like Winstrol - - IF so why? - - - - "it has its' place" 

I wanna try Anavar - more as ergogenic pre W/O kick, on W/O days and
to harden up (last 4 to 6 weeks) much like I have done with Primobolan Depot
(?saving the primo? for later use)
What you get you keep sort of things *the last 2 or 3 lbs* of the cycle . . .