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Once more: Ryan has not produced a serious budget
« on: April 10, 2012, 05:00:32 AM »
Once more: Ryan has not produced a serious budget
By Jonathan Bernstein

Great hypothetical from Dean Baker for how to think about the House Republican budget, as written by Paul Ryan:

    Let’s imagine the equivalent on the opposite side. Suppose that we proposed to increase Social Security benefits for the bottom two income quintiles of retirees. Suppose that we also proposed increased spending on infrastructure, research and development, and education.

    Suppose the left-wing Ryan budget wrote down that these spending increases would be offset by unspecified reductions in government waste. We then told the Congressional Budget Office to score it accordingly. Is this a good starting point for further discussion?


What’s more: Would anyone who read such a budget foolishly claim that it was “serious”? Of course not. It would immediately be seen for what it was: an attempt to raise spending on Democratic priorities using a fig leaf of phony deficit reduction to cover the expense. That’s exactly what appears to be happening with Paul Ryan, the House Republicans and taxes. Lots of specifics about where they’re going to cut taxes, lots of hand-waving about paying for it (via Scott Lemieux, who has more).

Meanwhile, there’s an argument about whether Barack Obama’s criticisms of the spending cuts Ryan’s budget would produce in the first 10 years are fair or not. The problem is that those cuts are unspecified within broad categories, allowing Ryan to say that any particular specific program would be protected. And, as far as that goes, fair enough — Ryan has never said that he’d cut equally across the board. On the other hand, as Ezra Klein points out, you can’t cut spending without, you know, cutting spending.

But as far as I can tell, the argument is a silly one. That’s because, as you should recall, Ryan’s budget — which is now the House Republican budget — entirely wipes out the federal government in the longer run. By 2050, assuming that military spending holds at current levels (and Ryan and especially Mitt Romney are against any cuts), there won’t be any room remaining within Ryan’s budget for anything other than Social Security and health-care entitlements. Zero. No FBI, no FEMA, no spending on veterans … nothing. Which makes the whole idea of fighting over what would happen in the first 10 years just a sideshow.

The point is that there’s simply nothing serious about Paul Ryan’s approach to budgeting. We have no way of knowing, from the documents that Ryan presents, whether he really wants to sneak in lots of massively unpopular things (raising middle class taxes by eliminating popular deductions, shutting down programs for veterans), or whether that’s all just for show and the real Ryan budget would explode the deficit.
As Baker says about the Ryan budget: “People who believe in arithmetic” will “call it what it is: a piece of trash.”
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Re: Once more: Ryan has not produced a serious budget
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2012, 05:03:36 AM »
Once more: Ryan has not produced a serious budget
By Jonathan Bernstein

Great hypothetical from Dean Baker for how to think about the House Republican budget, as written by Paul Ryan:

    Let’s imagine the equivalent on the opposite side. Suppose that we proposed to increase Social Security benefits for the bottom two income quintiles of retirees. Suppose that we also proposed increased spending on infrastructure, research and development, and education.

    Suppose the left-wing Ryan budget wrote down that these spending increases would be offset by unspecified reductions in government waste. We then told the Congressional Budget Office to score it accordingly. Is this a good starting point for further discussion?


What’s more: Would anyone who read such a budget foolishly claim that it was “serious”? Of course not. It would immediately be seen for what it was: an attempt to raise spending on Democratic priorities using a fig leaf of phony deficit reduction to cover the expense. That’s exactly what appears to be happening with Paul Ryan, the House Republicans and taxes. Lots of specifics about where they’re going to cut taxes, lots of hand-waving about paying for it (via Scott Lemieux, who has more).

Meanwhile, there’s an argument about whether Barack Obama’s criticisms of the spending cuts Ryan’s budget would produce in the first 10 years are fair or not. The problem is that those cuts are unspecified within broad categories, allowing Ryan to say that any particular specific program would be protected. And, as far as that goes, fair enough — Ryan has never said that he’d cut equally across the board. On the other hand, as Ezra Klein points out, you can’t cut spending without, you know, cutting spending.

But as far as I can tell, the argument is a silly one. That’s because, as you should recall, Ryan’s budget — which is now the House Republican budget — entirely wipes out the federal government in the longer run. By 2050, assuming that military spending holds at current levels (and Ryan and especially Mitt Romney are against any cuts), there won’t be any room remaining within Ryan’s budget for anything other than Social Security and health-care entitlements. Zero. No FBI, no FEMA, no spending on veterans … nothing. Which makes the whole idea of fighting over what would happen in the first 10 years just a sideshow.

The point is that there’s simply nothing serious about Paul Ryan’s approach to budgeting. We have no way of knowing, from the documents that Ryan presents, whether he really wants to sneak in lots of massively unpopular things (raising middle class taxes by eliminating popular deductions, shutting down programs for veterans), or whether that’s all just for show and the real Ryan budget would explode the deficit.
As Baker says about the Ryan budget: “People who believe in arithmetic” will “call it what it is: a piece of trash.”
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Re: Once more: Ryan has not produced a serious budget
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2012, 06:22:21 AM »
Religious Leaders Rip GOP Budget - 'Immoral Disaster', 'Robs The Poor'
Via Think Progress: "When House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI) released his Medicare-ending, safety net-gutting 2012 budget plan last year, he was slammed by faith leaders who denounced his cuts to programs that aid the poor and middle class. Ryan released the 2013 version of that budget yesterday, and he is again facing criticism from a diverse group of faith leaders. Ryan often says it is "morally wrong" not to address America's debt, but faith leaders like Bishop Gene Robinson said the budget Ryan crafted fails basic moral tests...".* The Young Turks host Cenk Uygur on how Republicans pretend to care what religious leaders think on issues like contraception but completely ignore them on issues actually in the Bible and spoken about by Jesus (helping the poor and less fortunate).

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Re: Once more: Ryan has not produced a serious budget
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2012, 06:35:13 AM »
Ryan is the most responsible person in congress right now IMO. One of the few protecting our tax dollars against government waste and redundancy. And one of the few elected officials (besides the Simpson Bowls commission) that knows we need to change medicare for our generation for it to be solvent.  The senate democrats haven't released a budget in well over 1000 days now...because they don't want to cut spending or size/scope of government.  Keep drinking the cool-aid bro.

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Re: Once more: Ryan has not produced a serious budget
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2012, 06:46:23 AM »
Where is slumbamas budget again? 

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Re: Once more: Ryan has not produced a serious budget
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2012, 08:17:14 AM »
and President Obama's budget was so reckless, financially, that even democrats didn't sign on.  If you want an expanding government, more spending, more overall taxes, more regulation into your life then vote Obama.  I respect him as president but he will bring even more government influence & control with another 4 yrs (especially not having to win independents for elections).

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Re: Once more: Ryan has not produced a serious budget
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2012, 08:22:18 AM »
Benny about to get pwned yet again.