Is America an idea?

[Shockwave]

It may not be obvious to you, but it is to anyone who isn't American. It gets old, hearing how much better the US is, even when discussing things which are demonstrably worse in the US.

Im sure it has to be a point of view thing - from what I've seen, most Americans go on the offense after being told how shitty this country is by someone that has never been here.
I know you always have the bottom 10% of people that give everyone a bad name, but just going from my experiences, especially on this board, its usually someone else that has to tell us how shitty we are, then you get 10 Americans jumping on the "Fuck you were the best at everything" bandwagon

[OTHstrong]

It may not be obvious to you, but it is to anyone who isn't American. It gets old, hearing how much better the US is, even when discussing things which are demonstrably worse in the US.

It doesn't get old, you say "hearing how much better the US" is,... bro there are over a 100 countries who's citizens are constantly raving about living "the dream" in America, this is very common, why do you think people from all over the globe migrate to America cause everyone is so sick of it?,.. ya right, the numbers don't lie. Only the haters are sick of America, the rest love the idea and fantasy over it. Not trying to sound cheesy but it' the truth

[phreak]

Im sure it has to be a point of view thing - from what I've seen, most Americans go on the offense after being told how shitty this country is by someone that has never been here.
I know you always have the bottom 10% of people that give everyone a bad name, but just going from my experiences, especially on this board, its usually someone else that has to tell us how shitty we are, then you get 10 Americans jumping on the "Fuck you were the best at everything" bandwagon

If in those bottom 10% you include your politicians and Fox News, then yes.

[Irongrip400]

So, every other country doesn't think they're the best? I wouldn't want to live in a country where the inhabitants thought they were inferior to everyone else. Unless I lived in Africa/Middle East or Eastern Europe, then they'd be delusional.  

[Shockwave]

If in those bottom 10% you include your politicians and Fox News, then yes.

Oh, dont take anything from our news outlets or politicians, they do NOT reflect the opinions of the general public. Theyre all full of bullshit.

[phreak]

It doesn't get old, you say "hearing how much better the US" is,... bro there are over a 100 countries who's citizens are constantly raving about living "the dream" in America, this is very common, why do you think people from all over the globe migrate to America cause everyone is so sick of it?,..

If you're looking at those numbers, then could you please educate us? Give us a breakdown in % of US immigrants from civilised vs. non-civilised countries. I'm assuming that 90% or more of immigrants are broke-ass third-world refuse, not the cream of the crop of developed nations. Is the US better than a lot of countries in Latin America, Asia, or Africa? Sure. Nobody will deny this. Is it better than northern European nations and some developed Asian nations? Nope.

[phreak]

Oh, dont take anything from our news outlets or politicians, they do NOT reflect the opinions of the general public. Theyre all full of bullshit.

I'll be the first to admit: The Americans I have met in person are fine. But then again: those are the ones who actually see the rest of the world for themselves.

[Irongrip400]

Also, I will agree that the bottom feeders of America do stand out like sore thumbs, but the rest blend in just like everyone else. When I went to Europe, most thought we were from there. But, when I would hear some obnoxious American chick, cursing and being loud, me and my wife wouldn't speak, so that the person wouldn't speak to us because they knew we were American. It was a bit embarrassing. Also, when I go to St Maarten, I see a fat dude on the beach with a gotee and hat, I know he's American. But, the rest of us are fairly normal.

[OTHstrong]

If you're looking at those numbers, then could you please educate us? Give us a breakdown in % of US immigrants from civilised vs. non-civilised countries. I'm assuming that 90% or more of immigrants are broke-ass third-world refuse, not the cream of the crop of developed nations. Is the US better than a lot of countries in Latin America, Asia, or Africa? Sure. Nobody will deny this. Is it better than northern European nations and some developed Asian nations? Nope.

So these people don't count?. So how many Europeans live in America.. LOTS, how many Russians, how many jews, how many Chinese,.. lots

High ranking Universities, the best opportunities for sports, the number 1 military, what exactly is to not like for a motivated individual.

[Radical Plato]

HA HA Americans are braindead!

[Moen]

It may not be obvious to you, but it is to anyone who isn't American. It gets old, hearing how much better the US is, even when discussing things which are demonstrably worse in the US.

Yes, they don't realize it themselves, a lot don't at least, not all.

[phreak]

So these people don't count?. So how many Europeans live in America.. LOTS, how many Russians, how many jews, how many Chinese,.. lots

So I'm not getting any numbers or other proof? It's okay, wasn't expecting any.

High ranking Universities, the best opportunities for sports, the number 1 military, what exactly is to not like for a motivated individual.

Interested turn of phrase. Are you thereby saying that the US, with its massive ghettos, is the most unmotivated western nation in existence?

[OTHstrong]

Yes, they don't realize it themselves, a lot don't at least, not all.

Same can be said about any country, including Germany, there was a poll done and Germany ranked among the most hated nation on the planet, obviously the results where swayed cause of Hitler, the Nazi's and world war 2 but nevertheless world perception towards Germany is ten times worse then world perception towards the US, just saying

[OTHstrong]

So I'm not getting any numbers or other proof? It's okay, wasn't expecting any.
Interested turn of phrase. Are you thereby saying that the US, with its massive ghettos, is the most unmotivated western nation in existence?

So unmotivated that they pave the way for the rest of the world in almost every field

[mass243]

So these people don't count?. So how many Europeans live in America.. LOTS, how many Russians, how many jews, how many Chinese,.. lots

High ranking Universities, the best opportunities for sports, the number 1 military, what exactly is to not like for a motivated individual.

USA is number one destination for migrants.


But. world has changed a lot. It's possible for hard working people to make good life elsewhere as well.
who even knows this:

"Russia has become the second most popular destination for migrants in the world after the USA"
-European council on foreign relations, http://ecfr.eu/content/entry/commentary_immigrant_russia_-_a_crisis_of_demography_or_ethnicity/


Haha, barely no 'normal people' because that would break the illusion.

[phreak]

So unmotivated that they pave the way for the rest of the world in almost every field

Indiscriminate bombing flattens, but does not pave.

[MORTALCOIL]

So unmotivated that they pave the way for the rest of the world in almost every field

Keep believing that. This mindset explains the steady decline of most western countries still thinking they're light years ahead of the rest of the world. I hear the same shit in almost every european country except Germany and norther countries. They're too busy working to brag.

[OTHstrong]

Keep believing that. This mindset explains the steady decline of most western countries still thinking they're light years ahead of the rest of the world. I hear the same shit in almost every european country except Germany and norther countries. They're too busy working to brag.

Bro Americans are workaholics and ambitious but you're right every dogs got its day.

[Moen]

Same can be said about any country, including Germany, there was a poll done and Germany ranked among the most hated nation on the planet, obviously the results where swayed cause of Hitler, the Nazi's and world war 2 but nevertheless world perception towards Germany is ten times worse then world perception towards the US, just saying

And rightfully so 

[OTHstrong]

And rightfully so 

lmao 

I love Germany personally, they brought us into the 20th century

Indiscriminate bombing flattens, but does not pave.

I agree in regards to Japan

[Griffith]

I remember when I was in Cambodia, some American guy was trying to lecture a street-girl selling books that she should be in school and it just came across as patronizing and 'typically' American.

He was applying his privileged first-world experiences and logic to a world he knew nothing about. He didn't seem to realize that her current priority was food for herself and her family. She no doubt knew that education was important, but food comes first in such situations.

This is often the problem with Americans and also many Europeans. They think the rest of the world works like it does where they're from and try apply the same solutions to totally different realities and circumstances. They think what works in an ordered and developed society will work exactly the same in uneducated and poor societies with different cultures, mentality, history etc.

They're also the only countries that seem to be invading other countries leading to the death and misery of far more people than otherwise would have been the case in order to suit their geopolitical goals.

Imagine if China was sending their armies to countries across the world and pushing for 'regime change' in countries with ideologies they didn't agree with?
How would you feel if you saw Chinese troops walking through your streets who had the authority to shoot dead anyone who looked suspicious?
Or if they were firing missiles from drones across your town leading to daily innocent civilian deaths and there was nothing you or your government could do about it.
How would you feel?

This is the reason the rest of the world gets weary of America.

I have nothing against Americans, but I understand why some people might.

[Psychopath]

OneTimeHard, the fucking visible minority paki, drumming up America while residing in paki central i.e Toronto, Canada.

...Fuck right off buddy, you're not fooling anyone.

[OTHstrong]

OneTimeHard, the fucking visible minority paki, drumming up America while residing in paki central i.e Toronto, Canada.

...Fuck right off buddy, you're not fooling anyone.

Hahaha getting emotional are we, glad to see you are taking this personal, keep it coming bitch, yes I am from Canada but I am spanish not Paki, sorry. I argue my point until the bitch on the other comes back with a reply that has nothing to do with the point at hand. The equals defeat, learn it retard.

[Psychopath]

Hahaha getting emotional are we, glad to see you are taking this personal, keep it coming bitch, yes I am from Canada but I am spanish not Paki, sorry. I argue my point until the bitch on the other comes back with a reply that has nothing to do with the point at hand. The equals defeat, learn it retart.

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[Irongrip400]

Bump for the night crew/answers on the topic at hand.