Obama: "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own" - lmfao!!

[SLYY]

Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.



What created this great system were not teachers, roads or bridges or the internet. 

What created the system was the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and BOR to allow individuals and businesses to free and pursue their wishes by and large without undue govt restraint. 

Roads Bridges, and teachers exist in NK, Cuba, Albania, and the old USSR correct?  Why did they not succeed?   

How does NK, Cuba, Albania, and the old USSR's educational system compare to America's?

[tu_holmes]

The government as we have it does not exist unless there is enough business and tax revenue to fund the the govt.  Businesses can figure out how to operate without the govt, govt without taxpayer money can not.     

 

BTW - Obama was also dead wrong about the internet as well.  It was never created as a way to enhance or facilitate commerce.  It was for the military computers,


Finally - obama wants tot ake credit for businesses success, why not the failures and businesses that were and are forced to shut down due to govt action? 

Can't have it both ways. 

The Internet (Or Rather ARPAnet) while not specifically designed for business... CERTAINLY was created by the government and has been used as a tool by EVERY business on the planet.

So whatever it's original intent was, has nothing to do with the fact that it's used EVERY day to enhance business and make money, while still being a government funded program.

[Soul Crusher]

The Internet (Or Rather ARPAnet) while not specifically designed for business... CERTAINLY was created by the government and has been used as a tool by EVERY business on the planet.

So whatever it's original intent was, has nothing to do with the fact that it's used EVERY day to enhance business and make money, while still being a government funded program.

And so is Edisons' inventions used by the world.  Did Edison owe a debt of grattitude to the Govt for his inventions? 

[tu_holmes]

And so is Edisons' inventions used by the world.  Did Edison owe a debt of grattitude to the Govt for his inventions? 

Did the government invent the light bulb?

I don't see any connection what so ever.

[Soul Crusher]

Did the government invent the light bulb?

I don't see any connection what so ever.

Correct.  The govt had ZERO to do w the success of edison the same way, it has little or nothing to do w the success or failures of businesses unless they actively fund them or actively punish them. 

Obama and his ilk want to take credit for the success he should accept blame for the failures as well.   Cant have it both ways.   

[tu_holmes]

Correct.  The govt had ZERO to do w the success of edison the same way, it has little or nothing to do w the success or failures of businesses unless they actively fund them or actively punish them. 

Obama and his ilk want to take credit for the success he should accept blame for the failures as well.   Cant have it both ways.   

What does that have to do with his statement or the points we have been talking about.

I am saying that a lot of business success does have to do with SHARED resources... That's just fact.

Amazon would not even fucking exist today if it wasn't for the US government creating Arpanet... Do you disagree?

[SLYY]

Obama and his ilk want to take credit for the success he should accept blame for the failures as well.   Cant have it both ways.   

Obama AND Romney share this view.  You seem very angry about both candidates agreement regarding the quote you used as the title for this thread.

Take it up with them 333386 or vote for an alternative candidate.

[doison]

So let me get this right...

Taxpayer money, in your opinion, should not be used to create a nations basic infrastructure? Roads, bridges - these are just socialist remnants of government theft of people's hard earned cash?

BTW - how do you get to your 'law office' in the mornings?

Also - are you also saying that cars existed before roads?

Why don't the roads every build me a successful business?  Fucking roads picking and choosing who they want to be rich and successful at random.

[SLYY]

Why don't the roads every build me a successful business?  Fucking roads picking and choosing who they want to be rich and successful at random.

Roads assist or help you become successful.  Without them, you cannot have success.   I'm sure you read or heard the speeches by Romney and Obama, so you know what the road references meant.

[doison]

Roads assist or help you become successful.  Without them, you cannot have success.   I'm sure you read or heard the speeches by Romney and Obama, so you know what the road references meant.

Well that what part of government is the one that made businesses for the people who are rich?  I want a business and I'd like to be rich.  I won't even complain about taxes after they make my money for me, so it's not like I'm undeserving or ungrateful.  I'm sick of sitting here not getting my just due.


I've been driving on roads my whole life and they haven't done shit for me.  Why should they make my boss successful but not me? 

[SLYY]

Well that what part of government is the one that made businesses for the people who are rich?  I want a business and I'd like to be rich.  I won't even complain about taxes after they make my money for me, so it's not like I'm undeserving or ungrateful.  I'm sick of sitting here not getting my just due.


I've been driving on roads my whole life and they haven't done shit for me.  Why should they make my boss successful but not me? 

Your boss is more successful because he is in a higher position than you are at your place of employment.  Without roads, neither your boss nor yourself would make any money at your place of employment.  Without roads, the bank where your company keeps its money to pay you...would run dry.

[Soul Crusher]

Your boss is more successful because he is in a higher position than you are at your place of employment.  Without roads, neither your boss nor yourself would make any money at your place of employment.

Who is saying we don't need roads?   BUT WE ARE PAYING FOR THEM NOW VIA GAS TAXES ETC! 

Thery are not something to be grateful for to the govt.   

[SLYY]

Who is saying we don't need roads?   BUT WE ARE PAYING FOR THEM NOW VIA GAS TAXES ETC! 

Thery are not something to be grateful for to the govt.   

I didn't say we don't need roads.  Doison did not say we don't need roads.  Not sure? 

[SLYY]

Who is saying we don't need roads?   BUT WE ARE PAYING FOR THEM NOW VIA GAS TAXES ETC!  

Thery are not something to be grateful for to the govt.    

Now my question to you.  Who said we needed to be "grateful for to the govt?"  I never said we had to be grateful to the government for the roads.  Obama didn't say that in his speech either (quote where he did  ).  However, Romney and Obama DID say that the roads assisted businesses with their success.
  

[Soul Crusher]

Now my question to you.  Who said we needed to be "grateful for to the govt?"  I never said we had to be grateful to the government for the roads.  Obama didn't say that in his speech either (quote where he did  ).  However, Romney and Obama DID say that the roads assisted business with their success.
 

Obama did.   Watch the clip.   And he did so mockingly. 

[SLYY]

Obama did.   Watch the clip.   And he did so mockingly.  

Show us (just one place where he said "we should be grateful"), here is the part of his speech you are referencing:



We’ve already made a trillion dollars’ worth of cuts.  We can make some more cuts in programs that don’t work, and make government work more efficiently…We can make another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask for the wealthy to pay a little bit more …

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back.  They know they didn’t -look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own.  You didn’t get there on your own.  I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart.  There are a lot of smart people out there.  It must be because I worked harder than everybody else.  Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges.  If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.  The Internet didn’t get invented on its own.  Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.  There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own.  I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service.  That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together.  That’s how we funded the GI Bill.  That’s how we created the middle class.  That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam.  That’s how we invented the Internet.  That’s how we sent a man to the moon.  We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for president – because I still believe in that idea.  You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.”

[Straw Man]

Show us (just one place where he said "we should be grateful"), here is the part of his speech you are referencing:



We’ve already made a trillion dollars’ worth of cuts.  We can make some more cuts in programs that don’t work, and make government work more efficiently…We can make another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask for the wealthy to pay a little bit more …

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back.  They know they didn’t -look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own.  You didn’t get there on your own.  I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart.  There are a lot of smart people out there.  It must be because I worked harder than everybody else.  Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges.  If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.  The Internet didn’t get invented on its own.  Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.  There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own.  I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service.  That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together.  That’s how we funded the GI Bill.  That’s how we created the middle class.  That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam.  That’s how we invented the Internet.  That’s how we sent a man to the moon.  We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for president – because I still believe in that idea.  You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.”

I've done this same thing a hundred times with this idiot

he had mental problem where he sees and hears things that don't exist

[Soul Crusher]

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges.  If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.  The Internet didn’t get invented on its own.  Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

[SLYY]

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges.  If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.  The Internet didn’t get invented on its own.  Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

That does not say you should be grateful to the government at all.  Your black letter quote does not even mention the word "government."  I'm sure you read the last line of his speech which sums up the entire theme/purpose of the speech (and meaning of your quote): "You’re not on your own, we’re in this together."

Regardless of your inability to back up the "we need to be grateful to the government" quote that does not exist, the bottom line is that BOTH candidates agree with the sentence you have quoted in black (which is why the title of this thread is odd, it is missing the name Romney).  

[Straw Man]

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges.  If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.  The Internet didn’t get invented on its own.  Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

333 - ignoring the obvious fact that no where do you see Obama saying "you should be grateful" do you actually believe Obama is saying "you didn't build your business and somebody else built your business" ?

[SLYY]

You all sound like a bunch of bitchy women yelling at 333333.   Hahaha collective meltdown of peace.

No one is yelling.  Moreover, I have neither used anything more than a single word in all caps nor font larger than standard.  This is how adults discuss issues and communicate.  However, I do recognize the trend of people insulting others when questions get difficult to answer. 

[doison]

Your boss is more successful because he is in a higher position than you are at your place of employment.  Without roads, neither your boss nor yourself would make any money at your place of employment.  Without roads, the bank where your company keeps its money to pay you...would run dry.

This is the exact bullshit that I hate about capitalists like you.  Some aspect of government gives my boss his job and money and gave me the raw end of the deal of working for him and being poor.  

Forget the roads for a second.  I don't care about roads.  All I want to know is why does my boss get more money than me?  That's not fair.  It's ALWAYS like this.  The elites like my boss know which part of government gives all the good stuff.  They (and YOU apparently) refuse to tell anyone else where all the money is.  

We both drive the same roads, we both get tickets from the same police force, we both have to go to the same court when we forget to put our dog on a leash, but ONLY HE gets to use the part of government that makes you rich.  Only HE gets to use the part of government that makes him be my boss.  I already know about the government things that everyone gets to use.  I want to know what part of government makes him DIFFERENT from me; the part that lets him order me around and makes more money than me.  

What part of government makes him rich and me poor??

[SLYY]

This is the exact bullshit that I hate about capitalists like you.  Some aspect of government gives my boss his job and money and gave me the raw end of the deal of working for him and being poor. 

Forget the roads for a second.  I don't care about roads.  All I want to know is why does my boss get more money than me?  That's not fair.  It's ALWAYS like this.  The elites like my boss know which part of government gives all the good stuff.  They (and YOU apparently) refuse to tell anyone else where all the money is. 

We both drive the same roads, we both get tickets from the same police force, we both have to go to the same court when we forget to put our dog on a leash, but ONLY HE gets to use the part of government that makes you rich.  Only HE gets to use the part of government that makes him be my boss.  I already know about the government things that everyone gets to use.  I want to know what part of government makes him DIFFERENT from me; the part that lets him order me around and makes more money than me. 

What part of government makes him rich and me poor??

Interesting points Doison.  To answer your question, I would say the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of government, jointly.

[HavoX]

Edison fuckin loved and was very grateful to the government, especially the patent department.

Also doison u r an idiot. Your boss is less of an idiot. Hope this helps.

[doison]

Edison fuckin loved and was very grateful to the government, especially the patent department.

Also doison u r an idiot. Your boss is less of an idiot. Hope this helps.

So my boss makes more money than me because he's smarter than me?  What road makes you smart?