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Any such commercial is only needed for people too stupid to comprehend what he stated originally in the speech.  

Have you seen Romney's speech, where he says the same thing as Obama?

I'm certainly not a Romney fan.  My problem with Obama is that he's been a continuation of Bush II, with the addition of communistic leanings.

Go ahead and write me off, I'm something of a libertarian. 

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I'm certainly not a Romney fan.  My problem with Obama is that he's been a continuation of Bush II, with the addition of communistic leanings.

Go ahead and write me off, I'm something of a libertarian.  

I'm not writing you off, I responded to you.  You can disagree with Obama for all the reasons of your choosing, I have no problem with that.  


I just find it humorous that this thread is aimed negatively at Obama when Romney agrees with him.  

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Thomas Paine and Ben Franklin: You Didn't Build That

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/07/27/thomas-paine-and-ben-franklin-you-didnt-build-that

When President Obama said at a rally earlier month that "if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own … if you've got a business, you didn't build that," he started a political firestorm, and an opposing "I built that" campaign from Mitt Romney. But it turns out Obama didn't build that argument from scratch, either. And his comments seem to be closer to the founding fathers' principles than opponents might like to believe.

As noticed by Reddit, Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Paine, two men who literally built the country, expressed similar sentiments in the 1700s. And, reading the passages suggests that they wouldn't take all the credit for founding the country, either.

In a Christmas Day letter to Robert Morris in 1783, Franklin wrote that "the remissness of our people in paying taxes is highly blameable," and that "all property…seems to me to be the creature of public convention."

He continues:

"All the Property that is necessary to a man, for the conservation of the individual and the propagation of the species, is his natural right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all property superfluous to such purposes is the property of the publick, who, by their laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the welfare of the publick shall demand such disposition. He that does not like civil society on these terms, let him retire and live among savages."


Paine, in 1795's Agrarian Justice, puts it even more bluntly: "Personal property is the effect of society; and it is as impossible for an individual to acquire personal property without the aid of society, as it is for him to make land originally."

"Separate an individual from society, and give him an island or a continent to possess, and he cannot acquire personal property. He cannot be rich," he writes.


Obama, Franklin, and Paine say it's OK to become rich through hard work—just don't trample on the people who helped make it happen.

In the everlasting words of one Mister Spock, "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."



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Thomas Paine and Ben Franklin: You Didn't Build That

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/07/27/thomas-paine-and-ben-franklin-you-didnt-build-that

When President Obama said at a rally earlier month that "if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own … if you've got a business, you didn't build that," he started a political firestorm, and an opposing "I built that" campaign from Mitt Romney. But it turns out Obama didn't build that argument from scratch, either. And his comments seem to be closer to the founding fathers' principles than opponents might like to believe.

As noticed by Reddit, Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Paine, two men who literally built the country, expressed similar sentiments in the 1700s. And, reading the passages suggests that they wouldn't take all the credit for founding the country, either.

In a Christmas Day letter to Robert Morris in 1783, Franklin wrote that "the remissness of our people in paying taxes is highly blameable," and that "all property…seems to me to be the creature of public convention."

He continues:

"All the Property that is necessary to a man, for the conservation of the individual and the propagation of the species, is his natural right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all property superfluous to such purposes is the property of the publick, who, by their laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the welfare of the publick shall demand such disposition. He that does not like civil society on these terms, let him retire and live among savages."


Paine, in 1795's Agrarian Justice, puts it even more bluntly: "Personal property is the effect of society; and it is as impossible for an individual to acquire personal property without the aid of society, as it is for him to make land originally."

"Separate an individual from society, and give him an island or a continent to possess, and he cannot acquire personal property. He cannot be rich," he writes.


Obama, Franklin, and Paine say it's OK to become rich through hard work—just don't trample on the people who helped make it happen.

In the everlasting words of one Mister Spock, "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."




Obama is upholding the legacy of our founding fathers

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here you go 333

John Stewart makes the same point I made a couple of days ago

Romney is literally trying to make a lie about a poorly constructed sentence into virtually his entire campaign

This show just how he has NOTHING else to talk about

btw - what to fuck is it with Fox after getting criticized for taking the statement out of context to take offense to that and then claim to run the entire statement only to yet again show another edited clip

Do you see now why people who only watch Fox are actually worse off than if they watched nothing at all

BTW - this is exactly why I chose my screenname.   Romney is trying to fight a straw man by pretending to be arguing against something that Obama didn't say and pretending it's Obama's actual position.   This is something that has been the primary strategy of Repubs for the last 10-15 years


Part1: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-25-2012/democalypse-2012---do-we-look-stupid--don-t-answer-that-edition

part 2:  http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-25-2012/democalypse-2012---do-we-look-stupid--don-t-answer-that-edition---grammatical-gaffes

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When politicians talk enough, their meaningless platitudes eventually reveal nuggets of truth, giving a glimpse behind the curtain. President Obama, the mainstream media's acclaimed Orator in Chief, recently spilled the beans.

CARTOON BY MICHAEL RAMIREZ / INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
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"Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that," he said.
Since uttering those words at a Virginia campaign stop, there has been much backtracking and excuse-making by Obama supporters, scrambling to explain that the president really didn't mean what you heard, that he meant something sort of like that, but different.
They complain that critics took his words out of context. The president supposedly didn't mean that business owners didn't build their businesses. He allegedly meant business owners didn't build bridges and roads. But for that to be true, the golden tongued Harvard Law Review president had to have trampled English grammar and mangled sentence construction.
As the Wall Street Journal's James Taranto noted, "that" necessarily referred to "a business," not to "roads and bridges."
"...[N]ot only because 'business' is more proximate to the pronoun 'that' and therefore its more likely antecedent. The [Obama] Truth Team's interpretation is ungrammatical. 'Roads and bridges' is plural; 'that' is singular. If the Team is right about Obama's meaning, he should have said, 'You didn't build those.'
"... [H]is campaign asks us to believe he is not even competent to construct a sentence."
Nevertheless, as the Register editorialized, "Whether you take his words at face value or prefer to infer he simply meant government can help businesses by building bridges and roads, the president's speech was troubling. Implicit in the president's message is that private individuals and privately held companies are not sufficient. Big Government is the engine that pulls the train, in his view."
Perhaps the plain meaning of Obama's words is insufficient. Let's examine his remarks in the larger context of his political philosophy.
The president recently told a campaign gathering that, "[W]e tried our plan – and it worked."
"Worked" apparently means something different to Obama than to, say, working Americans. Did the president mean that it "worked" when U.S. business startups dropped from 554,109 in 1987 to 394,623 in 2010?
When Obama took office, unemployment was 7.8 percent. It is now 8.2 percent. Perhaps Obama's plan worked in the way a U.S. major meant during the Vietnam War when he said, "It became necessary to destroy the village in order to save it."
What are we to make of a president who proclaims with the certainty of a sunrise that, "If I don't get the unemployment rate under 7 percent, I deserve to be a one-term president," then runs for a second term even though unemployment has been above 8 percent his entire tenure? Did he not mean what he said? Or did he mean it in a way we simply don't understand?
Here's more context: Four years ago Obama told an interviewer that even if raising the capital-gains tax rate resulted in less tax collected, as it has in the past, it's only "fair" to raise the rate because he believes "the rich" should pay more, period. Therefore, taxes aren't to pay for necessary government functions. Taxes "work" when they dish out punitive "fairness," at least in Obama-ese.
The president plainly speaks a different language when he insists we must "invest" to stimulate the economy. Most people consider investing to be voluntary, such as deciding to buy Facebook stock or to sink their life's savings into starting a new business.
When the president says "invest," he means the government should take money from people whether they want to give it or not, to pay for things they already have decided are not worth their voluntary investment. Think Solyndra.
The president considers such involuntary wealth transfers "investments." But what rational private enterprise operates on such a self-destructive understanding of capital investment? Can you imagine a CEO telling his board of directors that despite their objections, he will sink their bankroll into questionable "investments" they already have rejected?
In that same Virginia speech, the president described government "permitting" private-sector growth. Permitting? We have turned a significant corner when the government must permit private economic growth. It's yet a sharper left turn when we accept that not only is government permission required, but government subsidies and financing, too.
"I guess shovel-ready jobs weren't quite as shovel-ready as we thought," Obama quipped to the amusement of his jobs czar, Jeffrey Immelt.
The Obama rhetorical trail is littered with inadvertent truths such as that, spoken either from arrogance or at other times with the assumption they never would reach the ears of those who disagree.
We might have expected this considering Obama's early foot-in-the-mouth experience. Remember his first campaign for president when Obama told a private gathering of presumed like minds how difficult it was to persuade working-class voters? "It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
Not all his out-of-the-mainstream views have been spoken in presumed confidentiality. In 2010 Obama let it be known that "I do think at a certain point you've made enough money."
In retrospect, we suspect that inadvertent truism is one the president would prefer not to have uttered. Covetousness being what it is, there probably are people who think some others make "enough money," however much that may be. But how many Americans are comfortable when their government presumes to tell them they've made "enough"?
Even the most redistribute-the-wealth-minded among us don't have to think too long or hard to understand that the line of demarcation between haves and have-nots, or rich and nonrich, if you prefer, is entirely arbitrary. It should be obvious that government is the least-capable and least-desirable choice to draw such lines.
If government may impose punitive taxes and engage in crony capitalism, each of us is vulnerable. As the Wall Street Journal's Taranto recently wrote, "If you 'didn't build that,' then you have no moral claim to it, and those with political power are morally justified in taking it away and using it to buy more political power."
Early warning signs were plentiful. But apparently people read something else into even Obama's bluntest confessions of faith. For example, Obama's memorable explanation of his fiscal philosophy to the man dubbed Joe the Plumber: "I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."
What should we have inferred from those words? Probably not what came to pass. He probably didn't mean that, four years later, poverty would be "spreading at record levels across many groups from underemployed workers and suburban families to the poorest poor," as Newsday recently reported. Or that, "More discouraged workers are giving up on the job market, leaving them vulnerable as unemployment aid begins to run out."
Surely he didn't mean that. Or did he?
Then again, he warned us early that, "We cannot pretend somehow that because Barack Hussein Obama got elected as president, suddenly everything is going to be OK."
Those were words we could have bet the farm on.
As the economy tilts toward the second recession of Obama's four-year term, the meaning behind his verbiage seems to be getting clearer, despite his doublespeak.
As the president himself said, "Americans ... still believe in an America where anything's possible - they just don't think their leaders do."
I couldn't have said it better myself.
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When politicians talk enough, their meaningless platitudes eventually reveal nuggets of truth, giving a glimpse behind the curtain. President Obama, the mainstream media's acclaimed Orator in Chief, recently spilled the beans.

CARTOON BY MICHAEL RAMIREZ / INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
ADVERTISEMENT
"Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that," he said.
Since uttering those words at a Virginia campaign stop, there has been much backtracking and excuse-making by Obama supporters, scrambling to explain that the president really didn't mean what you heard, that he meant something sort of like that, but different.
They complain that critics took his words out of context. The president supposedly didn't mean that business owners didn't build their businesses. He allegedly meant business owners didn't build bridges and roads. But for that to be true, the golden tongued Harvard Law Review president had to have trampled English grammar and mangled sentence construction.








Romney agrees 100% with Obama   8).  Since both Romney and Obama agree, who would you vote for 3333?

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I'm ABO.    I would vote for the cookie monster if it meant ousting Obama. 

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I'm ABO.    I would vote for the cookie monster if it meant ousting Obama.  

Clearly, you are a very intelligent person.  At least the issue in this thread won't sway you one way or another, since both candidates agree regarding the comment, "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own."

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Clearly, you are a very intelligent person.  At least the issue in this thread won't sway you one way or another, since both candidates agree regarding the comment, "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own."

That is not the only issue w obamas straw man rant and meltdown.

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That is not the only issue w obamas straw man rant and meltdown.

Your sole purpose of starting this thread was to insult the part of Obama's speech relating to the statement, "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own."  All of your uniformed articles reference that quote (oftentimes as part of the title).

Romney agreed the very next week with Obama and his quote.  That made this entire thread and your opinion of Obama's speech, moot.  It has also made you come across as completely uninformed.

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Obama to Reese Hoffa, Christian Cantwell, Ryan whiting  -   You didnt throw that shot put - someone else threw that   

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Obama to Reese Hoffa, Christian Cantwell, Ryan whiting  -   You didnt throw that shot put - someone else threw that   

Already answered in regard to a runner in this thread.  I will re-post it for you:

According to Romney and Obama, but for the people who built the track, that guy would not have had a place to run on to break a world record.  If it weren't for the roads to the Olympic games, he would not have made it there to set a world record. 

Moreover, without the help from teachers or more specifically in your example, coaches, that guy would not have ran a world record.

Romney and Obama may have been onto something... 

Don't forget 3333, "Obama AND ROMNEY to Reese Hoffa, Christian Cantwell, Ryan whiting..."   ;)

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Already answered in regard to a runner in this thread.  I will re-post it for you:

Don't forget 3333, "Obama AND ROMNEY to Reese Hoffa, Christian Cantwell, Ryan whiting"   ;)


Throwers use a circle, not the track    :P

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Throwers use a circle, not the track    :P

You're a lawyer, analogies are your bread and butter.  I figured I would speak your language...

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You're a lawyer, analogies are your bread and butter.  I figured I would speak your language...

Was a shot putter and hammer thrower in college 

Im deeply interested in the 2012 olympics since usa has a chance to get 123 in the shot and has an amazing hammer thrower named kibwe johnson in medal contention

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Was a shot putter and hammer thrower in college 

Im deeply interested in the 2012 olympics since usa has a chance to get 123 in the shot and has an amazing hammer thrower named kibwe johnson in medal contention

Actually, that is very cool.  I hope they get 1-2-3.  I prefer watching female beach volleyball, but shot put and hammer is exciting as well.

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Actually, that is very cool.  I hope they get 1-2-3.  I prefer watching female beach volleyball, but shot put and hammer is exciting as well.


I'm actually a little upset w the usa uniforms for the females.   Was watching the usa v argentina ans pissed off the usa has those whack ass tops   

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I'm actually a little upset w the usa uniforms for the females.   Was watching the usa v argentina ans pissed off the usa has those whack ass tops   

I was disappointed, wanted to see some titties... not female sports.  :)

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Why it is not mandatory for all the female beach volleyball teams to wear 2 piece bikinis, is beyond me...

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http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark

Reason.com

Obama’s Controversial Remark

Take what you want, and pay for it.

Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012



“If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
 
President Obama’s statement sure has incited controversy. His opponents, including Mitt Romney, are using it to brand Obama as—at best—out of touch and—at worst—an un-American collectivist. It’s also become the butt of jokes on the Internet.
 
Meanwhile Obama and his supporters cry foul, claiming the statement was taken out of context. (They’d never take an opponent’s statement out of context of course.) Some concede that Obama’s expression was inept, but  insist he wasn’t denying the value of individual initiative. In a campaign spot Obama says, “What I said was that we need to stand behind them [business people] as America always has. By investing in education, training, roads and bridges, research and technology.”
 
So who’s right? Let’s go to the videotape. And here’s the transcript of the relevant section (emphasis added; the full speech is here):
 

But you know what, I’m not going to see us gut the investments that grow our economy to give tax breaks to me or Mr. Romney or folks who don’t need them. So I’m going to reduce the deficit in a balanced way. We’ve already made a trillion dollars’ worth of cuts. We can make another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask [!] for the wealthy to pay a little bit more....
 
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me—because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t—look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there.  It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something—there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
 
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen....
 
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
 
What Did He Mean?
 
Was Obama saying the owner of a business did not build his business or did not build the aforementioned “unbelievable American system” and “roads and bridges”? Under the principle of charity, I give him the benefit of the doubt, but you can decide for yourself.
 
A more interesting question is why Obama bothered to state this truism. Everyone knows that a successful business, along with individual initiative, requires things the owner did not create. Besides roads and bridges, a successful business requires other businesses. Without those, where would any firm get its buildings, materials, and machines? And remembering Say’s Law, without other people’s productive efforts, no business would have customers: People can buy only because they first had something to sell (goods or labor services). Demand is supply and vice versa.
 
Has Obama really run across many people who think they got “there on [their] own” only because they are smarter and harder working than everyone else? I guess there are a few people like that, but I smell a straw man. (Obama’s mocking tone at this point was certainly off-putting and did not help his cause.)
 
So why did Obama bring it up? (“Don’t bother to examine a folly,” Ayn Rand has a character say in The Fountainhead. “Ask yourself only what it accomplishes.”) He seems to have had only one reason: to justify “ask[ing] for the wealthy to pay a little bit more [in taxes].” For him, this is the “balanced way” to cut the deficit. “I’m not going to see us gut the investments that grow our economy to give tax breaks to me or Mr. Romney or folks who don’t need them,” he said.
 
Demagogue’s Appeal
 
Even without his objectionable defense of higher taxes on people who don’t “need” their money (even if true, how is that relevant?), this is a demagogue’s appeal. For one thing, no one will be asked to pay higher taxes.
 
How do we know that upper-income people aren’t already paying enough to maintain roads, bridges, and education? Maybe government foolishly diverts tax revenues to less important purposes.
 
How do we know the rich and the rest of us aren’t overpaying? Government is notoriously inefficient at providing goods and services because it gets its revenue by force and thus never faces the market test, which requires consumers free to say no. What does “fair” even mean in the matter of taxation?
 
Why Monopoly?
 
More fundamentally, why assume that roads, bridges, and schools must be provided by a coercive monopoly rather than in a free and competitive market? Obama takes for granted that monopoly is indispensable to prosperity, but that claim requires demonstration, particularly in light of the drawbacks already pointed out. Before one invokes “market failure,” one must first come to grips with “government failure” because there is no prima facie reason to prefer the latter to the former, even if it can even be said to exist. Strangely, monopoly is universally despised—unless it’s run by the government.
 
Not to be misunderstood, in a corporatist economy there are grounds for concern about the wealthy to the extent that their fortunes derive from government privilege. The solution, however, is the abolition of privileges, not higher taxes, which merely give more resources to mischievous public self-servants and inevitably come to haunt the middle class.
 
And the fiscal crisis? The path to a solution is illuminated by the fact that we face a crisis not because of a failure to tax—but because of a proclivity to spend.
 
Thus even if we give Obama the benefit of the doubt, he’s got this all wrong. If he is really concerned that successful people pay too little for the benefits they enjoy, radically freeing the market is just the ticket. It’s the best way to honor the Spanish proverb: “Take what you want, God said to man, and pay for it.”

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I was disappointed, wanted to see some titties... not female sports.  :)

I saw that match. The blonde Argentinian woman more than made up for it.