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http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark

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Obama’s Controversial Remark

Take what you want, and pay for it.

Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012



“If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
 
President Obama’s statement sure has incited controversy.  His opponents, including Mitt Romney, are using it to brand Obama as—at best—out of touch and—at worst—an un-American collectivist. It’s also become the butt of jokes on the Internet.



How silly, huh 3333?  I mean, Romney not only agrees, but he did so publicly.  So many uninformed people out there.  Thanks 3333 for pointing out another uninformed person.  Lets add Sheldon Richman to that list.



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LOL, I can't believe you find (or look for) such horrifically dumb articles and videos.


After the clip plays a small portion of what Obama said, it responds to Obama and ACTUALLY says:

with the taxes we pay built those roads and bridges, we built America.”

LOL, that is EXACTLY what Obama said in his speech.

Obama said:
"Somebody invested in roads and bridges."  

Thus, agreeing with the ad that "taxes we pay built those roads and bridges."

Then Obama goes on to say:
"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together...You’re not on your own, we’re in this together."

Thus, agreeing with the ad that "we built America."



P.S. Obama and Romney agree 100% regarding the statement, "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own."

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Obama insults small-business owners

BY STEVE HUNTLEY shuntley.cst@gmail.com July 30, 2012 7:42PM
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President Barack Obama speaks during a campaign stop in downtown Roanoke, Va., on July 13. | Don Petersen~AP


Updated: July 31, 2012 2:18AM

http://www.suntimes.com/news/huntley/14087561-452/obama-insults-small-business-owners.html



In his regular weekly address Saturday, President Barack Obama asserted that “we’re still paying” for the Bush tax cuts. It was a not-so-subtle jab aimed at blaming tax reductions enacted a decade ago for today’s bad economy. But desperate times require desperate measures, and the White House is desperate to divert the voters’ attention from Obama’s failed policies and his infamous “you didn’t build that” remarks disparaging Americans entrepreneurs, successful business owners and job creators.
 

 The White House has been in damage control mode ever since those remarks, and Friday’s report showing the economy grew at an anemic 1.5 percent in the last quarter only added to the urgency of Obama’s re-election campaign to find a way to change the subject. The main thrust of Obama’s defenders is that his comments were taken out of context. Here’s what he said:
 
“[L]ook, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
 
In context, it’s devastating. Obama is indicted by his own words, condescending to small-business owners and elevating government as the wellspring of all success. If that’s so, why can’t government help all the smart and hardworking among us pull down 1 percent incomes? After all, any of us smart, hardworking individuals could have come up with the iPhone, right?
 
It takes more than smarts and long hours. Sometimes it begins with a simple ambition: I want to be my own boss. Or it’s an idea: a computer in every home. Starting a business involves a daunting risk — sinking every penny you have in your dream, abandoning the safety net of a 9-to-5 job, focusing to the exclusion of all else on what it takes to realize that dream. It’s a lonely quest. No, government does not make that happen.
 
What does make it possible is good governance — a society committed to the rule of law, property rights, reasonable taxes and dependable fiscal policy. Yet, Obama displays a cavalier attitude to those principles.
 
For political purposes, he refuses to enforce an immigration law and packs the NLRB to get around Congress to rewrite union election rules. In the auto industry bailout, he elevated the interests of his union allies over the bondholders in these corporations, an affront to property rights. He rejected the reasonable tax reform proposed by his own deficit reduction commission to pursue redistributive tax policies inimical to job growth. The uncertainties generated by his massive expansion of government with laws such as ObamaCare and Dodd-Frank have frozen all sorts of business investment.
 
Either Obama doesn’t understand the free-market system or he has disdain for it because it doesn’t meet his standard for “fairness.” Either way, it translates into policies that have turned this recovery into the weakest in modern history, keeping millions of Americans jobless. Voters have a fateful decision to make in November.

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Obama insults small-business owners

BY STEVE HUNTLEY shuntley.cst@gmail.com July 30, 2012 7:42PM
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President Barack Obama speaks during a campaign stop in downtown Roanoke, Va., on July 13. | Don Petersen~AP


Updated: July 31, 2012 2:18AM


“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
 
In context, it’s devastating. Obama is indicted by his own words, condescending to small-business owners and elevating government as the wellspring of all success.


You decided to revisit this issue huh?   ???

Anyway, it's not devastating at all.  If it was devastating, Romney would be screwed as well and it would be a wash.

Here is Romney agreeing with Obama:



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Did obama mention mom dad apple pie banks investors? 


No - obama mentioned GOVERNMENT and GOVERNMENT alone. 

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Did obama mention mom dad apple pie banks investors?  
 

Asked:

Please show me where Obama referenced banks mom dad and apple pie in his screed?  




And Answered:

Why?  You have yet to claim ANY concern with Obama NOT referencing "banks mom dad and apple pie in his screed."  You didn't create this ongoing 13 page thread because Obama did not reference "banks mom dad and apple pie in his screed."  

Now that we are done with that nonsense, let's get to what prompted you to start this thread.  You are angered over the STATEMENT, "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own."  THAT is the statement you keep referencing constantly, correct?  So, let's focus on what Obama AND Romney specifically referenced in their speeches in order to understand the STATEMENT that has you "lmao!!!"  This will help clear up what Obama did and "did not reference" and it will allow us to compare his references to Romney's.


we should let his words speak for themselves.      


Okay, let the words speak for themselves.


Obama's Speech:  
Posted on July 15, 2012


Obama: "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own"


 
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
 
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.


Obama said:
"teacher"
"somebody" (can mean anyone in your life, INCLUDING, parents)
"roads and bridges"
"government"
"firefighters"


________________________ ________________________ ________________________ _______


Romney's speech:
"I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."  

Romney said, these "people helped you in that business":
"banks,"
"investors,"
"your mom and dad,"
"your school teacher,"
"the people who provide roads", and
"the fire and police."
 

________________________ ________________________ ________________________ ________

To Conclude:

Romney said:                               Obama said:
"your mom and dad,"                        "somebody" (i.e. anyone in your life, INCLUDING, "your mom and dad")
"your school teacher,"                       "teacher"
"the people who provide roads"          "somebody invested in roads and bridges"
"the fire and police."                         "fire service"
"investors," and                               "government" (which is 50% of Mitt's list)
"banks,"
________________________ ________________________ ________________________ _________



"Let the words speak for themselves" (333386, July 22, 2012 at 12:43:27 PM):

"If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own," is a STATEMENT that BOTH candidates claim to be true.



So, instead of starting a thread that bashes Obama and adding daily editorials by uninformed authors who are solely bashing Obama for his stance when Romney feels the same way...create a thread about how angry you are that the two presidential candidates share an opinion that you dislike.







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No - obama mentioned GOVERNMENT and GOVERNMENT alone. 

Asked:

No its not the same thing.   Obama rattled off GOVERNMENT spending only.    Huge difference. 



And Answered:

Obama stated, "...Somebody along the line gave you some help."

Obama's exact words:
-"Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive."  (Our Founding Fathers)

-"A great teacher" (I assume that you are familiar with private schools, guitar teachers, etiquette teachers, etc.)

-"Somebody invested in roads and bridges"  (Are YOU the "government" 333?)



Wrong again.

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Obama said "you didnt build that."  That is singular and if he was referencing the roads infastructure yatta yatta he would have said" you didnt build those.  Somebody else made those happen." Or those things.  Not "you didnt make that happen.  Somebody else did that."

Obama said you didnt build your business somebody else made that happen.  Romney it seems said people have helped along the way.  Romney never said you didnt build your own business.  Obama did.  And if we are to believe any of your argument we have to believe that obama misspoke and meant to say you didnt build the roads yatta yatta.  But he didnt he said youndidnt build that.  So, your little copy paste game cant deny that.  On order to buy your argument we have to believe that this public speaker that you all say is so amazing at delivering speeches mispoke and you all will tell us what he meant to say.  And that romney agrees.  Hahaha fucking losers.  Real fucking losers.   You should be ashamed at lying so much.

I never said anything about Obama's public speaking abilities.  I copy and paste Obama's words.

Here is Obama's actual speech:

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges.  If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.  The Internet didn’t get invented on its own.  Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

He stated that, "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help..." and all the people that helped BEFORE stating, "If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that.  Somebody else made that happen."

Do you understand what that means D-Ware?  Anyone with a speck of common sense understands it, since Obama explained what he meant FIRST.

Bottom line, "If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that.  Somebody else made that happen..." is 100% true as it stands.  

Romney said the exact same thing:
"I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."  

Romney did NOT say, people might have helped some of you run your businesses.  He said, "I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business."  Thus, YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT.  SOMEBODY ELSE MADE IT HAPPEN (all the help).  




Come on now D-Ware, you are better than that.


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"If youve got a business you didnt build that.  Somebody else made that happen."   Romney never said that.


Youre so full of shit bro.

Then if you copy and paste speeches exactly as they are said.  The post where romney says this same thing.  But dont then add your spin.   

If obama meant that you didnt build the roads and bridges then he would have said if you have a business you didnt build those things. 

Romney might agree that people help you along the way.  Bjt he never said the words youre trying to put in his mouth.  And youre posting style is not witty at all.  Or intelligent.  It is so funny that you think youre impressing anyone.  Copy and paste romneys speech then where he says the same thing because he doesnt.  Obama did.  And he meant what he said not what you want to convince these peolle he said. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha .  Such a joke

I only copy and paste the speeches as they were said.  I usually copy 333's version of the speech from his first post, actually.

Obama never said or meant that "you didn't build the roads and bridges."  Thus, the second part in bold does not make any sense, maybe you can clarify?


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"If youve got a business you didnt build that.  Somebody else made that happen."   Romney never said that.


Yes, he did.  Romney stated:

"I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."

This means, you didn't build the business without help.  Without the help, your business would not have happened.  Very simple concept here D-Ware.  It should make sense to you after you read both speeches.

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What this proves is whenever Obama goes off script and starts saying what he actually thinks, we get a small glimpse into his inner workings. Then the media and everyone else has to come to the rescue and try to inform all us peons what he meant. We er al to stoopid to understend his werds
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What this proves is whenever Obama goes off script and starts saying what he actually thinks, we get a small glimpse into his inner workings. Then the media and everyone else has to come to the rescue and try to inform all us peons what he meant. We er al to stoopid to understend his werds

Not at all.  Just read the speech, it makes perfect sense as is.  If you disagree, that is fine.  Just recognize that Romney said the same thing and vote for another candidate.

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Not at all.  Just read the speech, it makes perfect sense as is.  If you disagree, that is fine.  Just recognize that Romney said the same thing and vote for another candidate.

Saying someone(s) helped and you didn't do that are two completely different things. I live in IL so I have seen Obama and his bullshit for quite some time.
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Saying someone(s) helped and you didn't do that are two completely different things. I live in IL so I have seen Obama and his bullshit for quite some time.

Saying you needed help to become successful and saying that without help you would not have been successful, is the same thing.

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Saying you needed help to become successful and saying that without help you would not have been successful, is the same thing.

Well IMHO both of them are full of shit
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Well IMHO both of them are full of shit

I respect your opinion.

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Obama meant that you dint build your own business.   He believes that people dont build there own businesses.  He believes "somebody else did that".  Show me where romney says somebody else built your business.  You cant because it doesnt exist.    

I already showed you countless times that they both stated that without help, your business could not be a success.  

He is a fucking peice of race baiting shit.  He spent his formative years at a madrasa in indonesia learning to memorize the koran.  He also denounced his us citizenshio and became a citizen of indonesia.  He is not like any american ive ever met.  His mother and grandparents were socialists.  He believes in an idea of america that is for losers that never achieve anything.  They hate the success of the usa and want to empower the rest of the world.  They are arrogant narcissist losers and obama is their patron saint.  Fuck all of you idealogue liars.  You know your fucking lying.  Admit it.  You knw. Your fucking lying.  Why do it?  Why sell freedom down the river.  Why hurt humanity.  Unbelievable.  

Start a thread about it.

if he didnt mean that business men didnt build the roads and bridges and infastructure yatta yatta then what is obama saying that somebody else built?

You clearly don't understand this line of the speech at all.  This actually clears up a lot regarding your confusion and inability to comprehend.  



See romney didnt say that at all.  This is what youve deduced the meaning of what he said to be.  Only i think youre dumb as shit.  Lol.  You said see this means you didnt build your business.  Only obama explicitly and specifically said you didnt build your business somebody else built that.  Romney seems to be saying that people must have helped you.  But he never says what you say he means.  Hahahahahaha.  What a joke.

I'll try again, it might work this time.

Obama's Speech:
Posted on July 15, 2012


Obama: "If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own"





PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)
 
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Governmentresearch created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
 
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
  
 

Obama said:
"teacher"
"somebody" (can mean anyone in your life, INCLUDING, parents)
"roads and bridges"
"government"
"firefighters"


________________________ ________________________ ________________________ _______


Romney's speech:
"I know that you recognize a lot of people helped you in that business. Perhaps the banks. Investors. There’s no question your mom and dad, your school teacher, the people who provide roads, the fire and police."  

Romney said, these "people helped you in that business":
"banks,"
"investors,"
"your mom and dad,"
"your school teacher,"
"the people who provide roads", and
"the fire and police."
 

________________________ ________________________ ________________________ ________

To Conclude:

Romney said:                               Obama said:
"your mom and dad,"                        "somebody" (i.e. anyone in your life, INCLUDING, "your mom and dad")
"your school teacher,"                      "teacher"
"the people who provide roads"          "somebody invested in roads and bridges"
"the fire and police."                         "fire service"
"investors," and                               "government" (which is 50% of Mitt's list)
"banks,"
________________________ ________________________ ________________________ _________




"If You've Been Successful, You Didn't Get There On Your Own," is a STATEMENT that BOTH candidates claim to be true.




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Obama saida lot more bs than that one statement. 

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To get that full of shit do u need someones help, slyy? If so who uses dominos and who uses chipotle?

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BTW - who is Obama referring to in this little screed of his?

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Obama saida lot more bs than that one statement. 

That's the quote of the thread and your reason for "lmfao!!!"  Sucks for you that after you started this thread, Romney publicly agreed with Obama.  This issue is moot.  

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Obama saida lot more bs than that one statement. 

 U idiot. Why haven't you committed harakiri yet?