Author Topic: If this guy lived in Texas, he could have (probably should have) been shot. (Read 9013 times)

Raymondo · « **Reply #25 on:** July 23, 2012, 06:50:58 AM »

Quote from: io856 on July 23, 2012, 06:30:08 AM

And what would that have achieved?

Even if you so much as shot the guy what does that act achieve? A confrontation that has escalated exponentially...

I don't care what it would have achieved. If I caught a guy in the act and then on top of that he threatened to beat me up, I wouldn't think about a proper rational resolution to the matter, I would have an intense emotional reaction

The True Adonis · « **Reply #26 on:** July 23, 2012, 06:52:39 AM »

"How dare you catch me stealing your bike. I will now hit you."

BigCyp · « **Reply #27 on:** July 23, 2012, 07:03:08 AM »

About 6 months back, I had my racer bike stolen from my backyard (only a Raleigh airlite) but still a couple of hundred to replace. So for a week afterwards every car trip I made I would have eyes like a hawk, looking at every bike I drove past to the point of obsession - couldn't believe my luck when I pull out of my road (can you fkn beleive he was that dumb) and the cvnt is cycling on my bike on the pavement literally 20 metres from my house. I pulled the car over about 30 meters in front of him, and pretend to get something from the trunk, when he rides past I literally jumped in front of him and grab the handlebards and he falls off lol, about mid 30's fairly built and a blatant addict I shout at the guy "What the fuck are you doing on my bike?" you should have seen the look on the poor mans face, hahah the last thing he was expecting - so he gets a bit cocky with me and I grabbed him by the jaw and squeezed his face and explained how he is a very fortunate man that my son is looking out of the car window at us and if he doesn't f off, I may ask my ife to drive round the corner.

Anyway, point of the story, I wouldn't have even had to touch my bike if I had a gun lol.

io856 · « **Reply #28 on:** July 23, 2012, 07:03:10 AM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on July 23, 2012, 06:45:12 AM

You see, you shouldn`t have to cater to those breaking the law. The more you give them, the more they are going to take and the worse off everyone is as s result.

There will always be miscreants in all different types of societal structures. It's not necessarily up to he individual to tame nor deal with these types. Tax money is paid hopefully government institutions invest properly in avenues of behavioral correction. If things are out of control then perhaps that area of investment needs to be looked at. Skilled law enforcement is always better than emotionally charged vigilantes. IF it has to come to that in the first place...

Twaddle · « **Reply #29 on:** July 23, 2012, 07:36:08 AM »

Quote from: io856 on July 23, 2012, 07:03:10 AM

There will always be miscreants in all different types of societal structures. It's not necessarily up to he individual to tame nor deal with these types. Tax money is paid hopefully government institutions invest properly in avenues of behavioral correction. If things are out of control then perhaps that area of investment needs to be looked at. Skilled law enforcement is always better than emotionally charged vigilantes. IF it has to come to that in the first place...

You truly live in a perfect fairy tale world. I'll address a couple of your stances.

What would it accomplish? If the victim in this case was to pull his CCW and plug the thief, it would accomplish many things:

1. It would would prevent, or deter this man and his friends from ever stealing a bike again.
2. It would prevent them from thinking they can push around anyone they want.
3. It would make local or national news, therefore educating others of the fact that you can't just take peoples shit without major repercussions.

You also state that it is not up to the victim to tame or deal with these types of people. However, you forget it is our goddamn right. How would you feel if these thugs were performing the same act on your sons bike? Would you shrivel up, call the police, and wait for them? If you said yes, then you really have no sac at all. If anyone ever threatens your life or property, it is your right to sort that shit out right then and there.

Also, you state that this could have been prevented if the proper risk assesment had been taken. Again, maybe in your perfect world. However, criminals are opportunists. Crimes even happen in some of the nicest neighborhoods. You cannot always prevent criminals from taking your liberties. This is why people have CCW's. It's a form of risk assesment. I cannot predict what is going to happen everyday, and I cannot prevent criminals from trying to steal or harm me. Therefore, it's in my best interest to be prepared for situations like this. If I were the victim in the video, there wouldn't have been a video, and the entire conversation would have been short and sweet. I'd simply say, "That's my bike, and you're not taking it." I'd then flare my shirt, and show them my sidearm. It would all be over in 10 seconds, and they would leave with a new found education of, "This crazy fuck could have just shot us. Maybe we should think twice about stealing bikes in the future."

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #30 on:** July 23, 2012, 07:39:44 AM »

Quote from: Dr Dutch on July 23, 2012, 06:27:31 AM

I never saw a black person participating in the Tour de France, so I assumed negro's cannot ride a bycicle...

Can't swim either...

When the Dutch man starts getting racist, I get scared!

BigCyp · « **Reply #31 on:** July 23, 2012, 07:41:01 AM »

Sometimes men need to remember that it is every man for himself. Yes we live in a policed state, with a government etc etc, but when rubber meets the road you have to sort your own shit out. It's not like you are a guest of the united states of america hotel, and you complain to the management everytime someone tries to break into your room or take your shit, you are a fking citizen in your own property.

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #32 on:** July 23, 2012, 07:45:48 AM »

Quote from: BigCyp on July 23, 2012, 07:41:01 AM

Sometimes men need to remember that it is every man for himself. Yes we live in a policed state, with a government etc etc, but when rubber meets the road you have to sort your own shit out. It's not like you are a guest of the united states of america hotel, and you complain to the management everytime someone tries to break into your room or take your shit, you are a fking citizen in your own property.

YES!!!

io856 · « **Reply #33 on:** July 23, 2012, 07:52:38 AM »

Quote from: Twaddle on July 23, 2012, 07:36:08 AM

You truly live in a perfect fairy tale world. I'll address a couple of your stances.

No I really don't... and have been in plenty of difficult situations. This is my where stance comes from.

What would it accomplish? If the victim in this case was to pull his CCW and plug the thief, it would accomplish many things:

1. It would would prevent, or deter this man and his friends from ever stealing a bike again.
2. It would prevent them from thinking they can push around anyone they want.
3. It would make local or national news, therefore educating others of the fact that you can't just take peoples shit without major repercussions.

Miscreants and outlaws will always exist and will always act outside of the law. You can't educate or deter people on a situational basis they act with emotion and these types are often uninhibited.

You also state that it is not up to the victim to tame or deal with these types of people. However, you forget it is our goddamn right. How would you feel if these thugs were performing the same act on your sons bike? Would you shrivel up, call the police, and wait for them? If you said yes, then you really have no sac at all. If anyone ever threatens your life or property, it is your right to sort that shit out right then and there.

Ok, if you believe its your right to act with increased or equiviliant amount of force then so be it. However I do not lend myself to this primitive sort of thought that is at the heart of many of societal ills. At what point do people began to decide somebody is a thug or been subject to an act that it worthy of violence? Most people don't even make the right decisions on what they consume let alone the way they act in heated situations.

This particular discussion is not about a life threatening situation nor that of relatives in harms way.

...Or perhaps we should have a society where everybody is armed constantly and the men with the greatest marksmanship and machismo survive.

Twaddle · « **Reply #34 on:** July 23, 2012, 07:58:37 AM »

Quote from: io856 on July 23, 2012, 07:52:38 AM

To each his own I guess. Everyone is cut from a different cloth, and it's very obvious that your cloth is limp. I on the other hand woudn't hesitate to stand up for myself or my family. I truly hope that you don't have a wife and kids. If the day ever comes that they need your help, i'm afraid you'd just dial 911, and then curl up in the fetal position. It saddens me that our society has become so passive, that people like you would just allows others to walk all over them. At what age were your balls cut off?

The True Adonis · « **Reply #35 on:** July 23, 2012, 08:01:07 AM »

Quote from: Twaddle on July 23, 2012, 07:36:08 AM

You truly live in a perfect fairy tale world. I'll address a couple of your stances.

What would it accomplish? If the victim in this case was to pull his CCW and plug the thief, it would accomplish many things:

1. It would would prevent, or deter this man and his friends from ever stealing a bike again.
2. It would prevent them from thinking they can push around anyone they want.
3. It would make local or national news, therefore educating others of the fact that you can't just take peoples shit without major repercussions.

You also state that it is not up to the victim to tame or deal with these types of people. However, you forget it is our goddamn right. How would you feel if these thugs were performing the same act on your sons bike? Would you shrivel up, call the police, and wait for them? If you said yes, then you really have no sac at all. If anyone ever threatens your life or property, it is your right to sort that shit out right then and there.

Also, you state that this could have been prevented if the proper risk assesment had been taken. Again, maybe in your perfect world. However, criminals are opportunists. Crimes even happen in some of the nicest neighborhoods. You cannot always prevent criminals from taking your liberties. This is why people have CCW's. It's a form of risk assesment. I cannot predict what is going to happen everyday, and I cannot prevent criminals from trying to steal or harm me. Therefore, it's in my best interest to be prepared for situations like this. If I were the victim in the video, there wouldn't have been a video, and the entire conversation would have been short and sweet. I'd simply say, "That's my bike, and you're not taking it." I'd then flare my shirt, and show them my sidearm. It would all be over in 10 seconds, and they would leave with a new found education of, "This crazy fuck could have just shot us. Maybe we should think twice about stealing bikes in the future."

QFT. Good post my friend.

io856 · « **Reply #36 on:** July 23, 2012, 08:02:20 AM »

Quote from: Twaddle on July 23, 2012, 07:58:37 AM

To each his own I guess. Everyone is cut from a different cloth, and it's very obvious that your cloth is limp. I on the other hand woudn't hesitate to stand up for myself of my family. I truly hope that you don't have a wife and kids. If the day ever comes that they need your help, i'm afraid you'd just dial 911, and then curl up in the fetal position. It saddens me that our society has become so passive, that people like you would just allows others to walk all over them. At what age were your balls cut off?

Plenty of guys have a need to outwardly express their "balls". From what I've seen most end up with black eyes, stabbed in the guts, shot in the stomach or worse...

Not the greatest survival strategy now is it?

Once again this discussion was never about family or life threatening situation.

Twaddle · « **Reply #37 on:** July 23, 2012, 08:08:43 AM »

Quote from: io856 on July 23, 2012, 08:02:20 AM

Plenty of guys have a need to outwardly express their "balls". From what I've seen most end up with black eyes, stabbed in the guts, shot in the stomach or worse... Not the greatest survival strategy now is it?

Once again this discussion was never about family or life threatening situation.

Actually, the discussion was about a life threatening situation. The criminal in the video threatened to beat him down. If the situation would have escalated to that point, the victim could have very well received life threatening injuries. Let me ask you this, if you were the victim in the video, walking out of the store, and witnessed the man cutting the lock off your bike, how would you have reacted? Serious question.

io856 · « **Reply #38 on:** July 23, 2012, 08:11:45 AM »

Quote from: Twaddle on July 23, 2012, 08:08:43 AM

Actually, the discussion was about a life threatening situation. The criminal in the video threatened to beat him down. If the situation would have escalated to that point, the victim could have very well received life threatening injuries. Let me ask you this, if you were the victim in the video, walking out of the store, and witnessed the man cutting the lock off your bike, how would you have reacted? Serious question.

I would have flashed my .45 and they would have cowered in fear like you can expect all one percenters to do.

Then I would have rode off into the sunset with a chip on my shoulder to my wife and family who are well protected at home.

BigCyp · « **Reply #39 on:** July 23, 2012, 08:12:58 AM »

Quote from: Twaddle on July 23, 2012, 08:08:43 AM

Actually, the discussion was about a life threatening situation. The criminal in the video threatened to beat him down. If the situation would have escalated to that point, the victim could have very well received life threatening injuries. Let me ask you this, if you were the victim in the video, walking out of the store, and witnessed the man cutting the lock off your bike, how would you have reacted? Serious question.

I suspect he would offer him a blow job to appease the situation

Twaddle · « **Reply #40 on:** July 23, 2012, 08:14:37 AM »

Quote from: io856 on July 23, 2012, 08:11:45 AM

I would have flashed my .45 and they would have cowered in fear like you can expect all one percenters to do. Then I would have rode off into the sunset with a chip on my shoulder to my wife and family who are well protected at home.

No, seriously. How would you have reacted? Maybe you can educate me on a better resolution, and open my mind to new ways? Seriously, how would you have handled the situation?

io856 · « **Reply #41 on:** July 23, 2012, 08:24:42 AM »

Quote from: Twaddle on July 23, 2012, 08:14:37 AM

No, seriously. How would you have reacted? Maybe you can educate me on a better resolution, and open my mind to new ways? Seriously, how would you have handled the situation?

Live in a predominately white neighbourhood and fuck using a bike thats not my style.

Twaddle · « **Reply #42 on:** July 23, 2012, 08:34:02 AM »

Quote from: io856 on July 23, 2012, 08:24:42 AM

Live in a predominately white neighbourhood and fuck using a bike thats not my style.

I see, you're betting on, "nothing bad will ever happen to me". News flash, bad shit happens everywhere. I live in a 99% white neighborhood. If you polled the citizens of my city, they would say my area is upper class. Guess what? Last Christmas there were a number of break ins. Again, criminals are opportunists. In the case of my neighborhood, their mentality was, "Let's go hit up the rich folks. They've got good shit, and are all pacifists."

I truly hope for your sake that if you're ever presented with a negative situation, that your instincts will take over, and you'll be able to stand up for yourself.

io856 · « **Reply #43 on:** July 23, 2012, 08:41:43 AM »

Quote from: Twaddle on July 23, 2012, 08:34:02 AM

I see, you're betting on, "nothing bad will ever happen to me". News flash, bad shit happens everywhere. I live in a 99% white neighborhood. If you polled the citizens of my city, they would say my area is upper class. Guess what? Last Christmas there were a number of break ins. Again, criminals are opportunists. In the case of my neighborhood, their mentality was, "Let's go hit up the rich folks. They've got good shit, and are all pacifists."

I truly hope for your sake that if you're ever presented with a negative situation, that your instincts will take over, and you'll be able to stand up for yourself.

We are not talking about break ins... On the street its very different(obviously)...

Of course there is a huge element of defense in the event of a break in...
However at the same time if standing up for yourself leads to intensive care, jail and even fatal injuries well then thats just modern day darwinism at work.

On a side note once firearms are involved you open yourself up to the full scale of retaliation on the force continuum. I hope in that event you are James Bond and don't just think like it.

Kwon_2 · « **Reply #44 on:** July 23, 2012, 08:48:10 AM »

First he destroys that poor mans lock, and tries to take another mans property, then he has the gall to even threaten him with bodily harm!?

Why was this nog not apprehended?

io856 · « **Reply #45 on:** July 23, 2012, 08:50:22 AM »

Quote from: Kwon_2 on July 23, 2012, 08:48:10 AM

First he destroys that poor mans lock, and tries to take another mans property, then he has the gall to even threaten him with bodily harm!?

Why was this nog not apprehended?

Pulling out the camera and getting confrontational with complete idiots seemed like the better option.

Twaddle · « **Reply #46 on:** July 23, 2012, 09:05:32 AM »

Quote from: io856 on July 23, 2012, 08:41:43 AM

However at the same time if standing up for yourself leads to intensive care, jail and even fatal injuries well then thats just modern day darwinism at work.

Again, you're saying that you wouldn't stand up for yourself, because you might get hurt, jail, or fatal injury? Is there any situation that you would actually stand up for yourself or your family, or do you basically back down from everything?

io856 · « **Reply #47 on:** July 23, 2012, 09:08:19 AM »

Quote from: Twaddle on July 23, 2012, 09:05:32 AM

Again, you're saying that you wouldn't stand up for yourself, because you might get hurt, jail, or fatal injury? Is there any situation that you would actually stand up for yourself or your family, or do you basically back down from everything?

Yes I back down from everything I'm the worlds biggest pussy.

God forbid what those street thugs would have thought of me for walking away! Imagine if they thought I was spineless and a pussy!

Kwon_2 · « **Reply #48 on:** July 23, 2012, 09:10:35 AM »

Quote from: io856 on July 23, 2012, 08:50:22 AM

Pulling out the camera and getting confrontational with complete idiots seemed like the better option.

Well, hopefully that thief will learn a lesson not to steal from white people.

Must have been annoying for that poor man to see the black personel at that mall just watching and not doing anything, that thief could just stroll out of these without not even being frisked.

Twaddle · « **Reply #49 on:** July 23, 2012, 09:14:10 AM »

Quote from: io856 on July 23, 2012, 09:08:19 AM

Yes I back down from everything I'm the worlds biggest pussy.

God forbid what those street thugs would have thought of me for walking away! Imagine if they thought I was spineless and a pussy!

So you'd be completely okay with just walking away, and letting him have your bike? I agree with you, you are the worlds biggest pussy. Furthermore, your actions would only contribute to the thugs mentality that he can do and take whatever he wants, as he pleases. While your at it, you should just open your wallet and give him everthing in it. After all, you wouldn't want to offend the thugs.