Upcoming Cycle

[Arnold jr]

I just finished a cycle at the end of October and will hold off on this next cycle until the first of the year.  I have a basic idea of what I want to take, but what like some thoughts and inputs and advice on any changes some of you think I should make.  The first half of the cycle will be for size, and the second half will be in prep for a show, so I am a little more concerned with the second part, but still want input on both.  Here is what I'm thinking right now:

wk 1-16 sust250 250mg eod
wk 1-12 decca 600mg wk
wk 17-32 prop 100mg ed
wk 26-34 winny 50 50mg ed
wk 26-34 tren 200mg wk
wk 34 masteron 100mg ed
wk 17-34 clen 40-120mcg ed 2wk on 2wk off

So what do you all think? I have also been thinking about adding t-3 in there but would like some input on that first, i.e. dosage, duration, and where it best fits.  And yes I do have PCT planned, always do, HCG, clomid and nolva.

[massivemann]

i like it and i would go with t3 and ecy caps too..and if you can get gh that too..

[sportingsteroids]

r u some professional bb?

[chain_gang_member]

r u some professional bb?

yes he is and damn good at his job in helping amateurs like me!

[Arnold jr]

i like it and i would go with t3 and ecy caps too..and if you can get gh that too..

T-3 how much, and when? Right now I am thinking 25-100mcg ed for the last 6 weeks of the cycle, sound about right.  Also, what about running it the 1st six weeks as well as the last? I think this would give my diet a nice kick start. Or would this be too much and risk me seriously screwing up my thyroid?

[Arnold jr]

r u some professional bb?

What don't you like about the cycle?

[DIVISION]

DIVISIONAL CHANGES:


wk 1-33 Sust250 1000mg ew
wk 1-16 Deca 600mg ew
wk 13-20 Tren 75mg ed
wk 17-24 Winstrol 50mg ed
wk 25-32 Halotestin 40mg ed
wk 33 masteron 100mg ed
wk 17-33 clen 40-120mcg ed 2wk on 2wk off
wk 37/38 PCT

An 8 month cycle......hopefully it's worth it......




DIV

[Arnold jr]

DIVISIONAL CHANGES:


wk 1-33 Sust250 1000mg ew
wk 1-16 Deca 600mg ew
wk 13-20 Tren 75mg ed
wk 17-24 Winstrol 50mg ed
wk 25-32 Halotestin 40mg ed
wk 33 masteron 100mg ed
wk 17-33 clen 40-120mcg ed 2wk on 2wk off
wk 37/38 PCT

An 8 month cycle......hopefully it's worth it......




DIV

Can you give me some reasons for the changes you suggested?

[DIVISION]

Can you give me some reasons for the changes you suggested?

You want to keep your Test current throughout the cycle......and overlap your anabolics, and using the Prop was pointless in the middle of the cycle.

With Test you go with a multi-estered compound (Sustanon250) or you choose Cypionate/Enanthate......but not Prop. unless you want more bloat and sides.

The Tren/Wintrol/Halo in succession is for hardening at the end of the cycle.

That's a long cycle, but if you are set on running this for 8 months you'd better keep your Test at the same level......




DIV

[Arnold jr]

You want to keep your Test current throughout the cycle......and overlap your anabolics, and using the Prop was pointless in the middle of the cycle.

With Test you go with a multi-estered compound (Sustanon250) or you choose Cypionate/Enanthate......but not Prop. unless you want more bloat and sides.

The Tren/Wintrol/Halo in succession is for hardening at the end of the cycle.

That's a long cycle, but if you are set on running this for 8 months you'd better keep your Test at the same level......




DIV

Yeah it is a long cycle, and the switching from sust to prop was somethng i wanted input on.  The reason for the switch was that my thinkng is that i would hold less water on the prop, which is what i want during the 2nd half of the cycle since it is for competition prep. 

Also is your changes you have the tren and winny being taken much earlier in the cycle then I did.  Wouldn't I want to keep these towards the later half if it is for competition?

I appreciate your input!  I haven't noticed many post by you on the steroid board in awhile, nice to see you posting on here again, you always seem to have some good input.

[DIVISION]

Yeah it is a long cycle, and the switching from sust to prop was somethng i wanted input on.  The reason for the switch was that my thinkng is that i would hold less water on the prop, which is what i want during the 2nd half of the cycle since it is for competition prep. 

Also is your changes you have the tren and winny being taken much earlier in the cycle then I did.  Wouldn't I want to keep these towards the later half if it is for competition?

I appreciate your input!  I haven't noticed many post by you on the steroid board in awhile, nice to see you posting on here again, you always seem to have some good input.

Those are my recommendations, what I would run if I was doing an 8 month cycle, which I would never do.

You can change the times or lengths of the compounds, but remember you need to overlap them......esp the Deca.  Deca takes 2 weeks or so to start working and it stays in your system 4 weeks after the last injection like the Sustanon does......so keep that in mind for PCT.

I don't post in here that much because I get tired of answering the same fu.cking questions by newbies who need to research the basics on their own before they get here.




DIV

[Arnold jr]

Those are my recommendations, what I would run if I was doing an 8 month cycle, which I would never do.






DIV

Yeah it's not something I plan on making to big of a habit of.  I typically stay on a 10-12wk on 8-12wk off.

Given the duration of the proposed cycle do you think it would benefit me to break it up with a short break? And I do mean short 4-5wk max. Or is a break like this not worth it?

One last thing, I'm trying to work a deal on some GH right now, and will add it to the cycle if the price is right. So this is what I'm now thinking: run wk 1-12 as originally planned, wk 13 start GH wk17 start next cycle which includes GH throughout. Let me know what you think.

[DIVISION]

Given the duration of the proposed cycle do you think it would benefit me to break it up with a short break? And I do mean short 4-5wk max. Or is a break like this not worth it?

I'd run it together and go balls out.

If you're gonna run long, do it right.

What's the point of a break when your HPTA is jacked anyway?

Supression can't be avoided...........make the sacrifice.

One last thing, I'm trying to work a deal on some GH right now, and will add it to the cycle if the price is right. So this is what I'm now thinking: run wk 1-12 as originally planned, wk 13 start GH wk17 start next cycle which includes GH throughout. Let me know what you think.

I agree.......run it at the end for fatburning purposes.




DIV

[Arnold jr]

Run T3 the last 6 weeks of the cycle.  Don't run it twice in the same cycle, counterproductive to your thyroid.

Start at 50MCG for the first week and ramp up to 150MCG by the last week.

It's your discretion as far as how long you go for 100MCG before going up to 150MCG.

It's on you.




DIV

I understand that running t-3 for too long is damging to your thyroid, and that a sufficient break is needed after say a 6wk stint.  But with a 10 week break in between the two 6wk cycles of t-3, do you still think it would be damaging to my thyroid?

[DIVISION]

I understand that running t-3 for too long is damging to your thyroid, and that a sufficient break is needed after say a 6wk stint.  But with a 10 week break in between the two 6wk cycles of t-3, do you still think it would be damaging to my thyroid?

What did I just say?

I don't think it'd be wise to run it twice in the same cycle?  What didn't you understand about that?

With all the other shit in your system, don't you think there's a chance that the added stress of two T3 runs might be pushing it?

I gave you my opinion.........now decide for yourself.




DIV

[Arnold jr]

What did I just say?

I don't think it'd be wise to run it twice in the same cycle?  What didn't you understand about that?

With all the other shit in your system, don't you think there's a chance that the added stress of two T3 runs might be pushing it?

I gave you my opinion.........now decide for yourself.




DIV

Maybe so, just double checking.

[Arnold jr]

I have made some small changes to my upcoming cycle and I feel pretty confident in the changes. After a bit of a source problem I will begin this cycle next week.

wk 1-30 Sust250 1000mg ew
wk 1-16 Deca 600mg ew
wk 15-20 Tren-A 75mg eod
wk 17-24 Winstrol 50mg ed
wk 25-32 Halotestin 40mg ed
wk 28-33 T-3 25-100mcg ed
wk 31-33 Tren-A 75mg ed
wk 31-33 Prop 1000mg ew
wk 33 masteron 100mg ed

wk 1-33 HCG 500iu e5d
wk 1-16 arimidex 1mg ed
wk 17-33 Arimidex 1mg eod
wk 17-33 clen 40-120mcg ed 2wk on 2wk off

wk 34-??? PCT (Not set on duration of PCT yet, usually only run it 3 wks may bump it up to 4 this time)

If any of you see any mistakes that I have made in this cycle let me know, as well as any suggestions.

 I had actually thought about adding in some EQ at around wk 17, but I think I’ve e got enough to deal with here already without adding in anything else. The reason for the change is dosage of the arimidex is because while on deca I just do better with 1mg ed, but without the deca, I believe I can get by with splitting that dose.

DIV: After reading up a bit more on Halo and after all your touting of it, I have decided to add it to this cycle like you recommended. Since you have used it a good deal I was wondering, do you think I would be better off dropping it a couple of weeks to say only 6 since it is extremely toxic? Or would you say, since I am using it 2wks isn’t going to make a big difference?
 My money is on you saying run it the full 8wks, but I could be wrong...let me know what you think.

[DIVISION]

DIVISIONAL CHANGES:


wk 1-32 Sust250 1000mg ew
wk 5-19 Deca 600mg ew
wk 16-23 Winstrol 50mg ed
wk 22-29 Tren-A 75mg ed
wk 28-35 Halotestin 40mg ed
wk 31-36 T-3 25-100mcg ed
wk 33-36 Prop 1000mg ew
wk 36 masteron 100mg ed

wk 1-36 HCG 300-500iu e5d
wk 1-36 Arimidex 1mg eod
wk 20-36 clen 40-120mcg ed 2wk on 2wk off

DIV: After reading up a bit more on Halo and after all your touting of it, I have decided to add it to this cycle like you recommended. Since you have used it a good deal I was wondering, do you think I would be better off dropping it a couple of weeks to say only 6 since it is extremely toxic? Or would you say, since I am using it 2wks isn’t going to make a big difference?
 My money is on you saying run it the full 8wks, but I could be wrong...let me know what you think.

As the cycle runs I made it 8 weeks on Halo, though if you feel sides you can go EOD instead of ED.  Use Milk Thistle with this cycle, EFA's and plenty of C+E.

This 9 month cycle is a major.



DIV

[Arnold jr]

DIVISIONAL CHANGES:


wk 1-32 Sust250 1000mg ew
wk 5-19 Deca 600mg ew
wk 16-23 Winstrol 50mg ed
wk 22-29 Tren-A 75mg ed
wk 28-35 Halotestin 40mg ed
wk 31-36 T-3 25-100mcg ed
wk 33-36 Prop 1000mg ew
wk 36 masteron 100mg ed

wk 1-36 HCG 300-500iu e5d
wk 1-36 Arimidex 1mg eod
wk 20-36 clen 40-120mcg ed 2wk on 2wk off

Use Milk Thistle with this cycle, EFA's and plenty of C+E.





DIV

Couple of questions in regards to the changes you made in this recommendation vs. the ones you made in your first recommendation:

At first you had the deca running from the beginning to wk 16, why did you now hold the deca off until wk 5 as well as shorten the duration?

Any reason for switching the order of the winny and tren? You had it tren then winny originally.

You also made it 1month longer than planned, any reason for that?

Finally, you recommended milk thistle as well as vit E & C, I've noticed from your post that you often mention that you take a lot of non-AAS supplements to aid in the whole process. Just out of curiosity, what all do you take, and is there anything else you would highly recommend?

As always, i really appreciate your time and input.

[DIVISION]

At first you had the deca running from the beginning to wk 16, why did you now hold the deca off until wk 5 as well as shorten the duration?

Initially when I made the cycle it was a rough draft and it went to you for revising, now that you've given it back to me, I've fine tuned to my specifications.

Because you are taking in 1G test ew, the first four weeks you won't need any additional anabolics to start to feel things.  It's basically an adjustment period to see how it feels and the intial boost will be more than enough.  If you feel the need you can add D-bol, but considering the fact you will be cycling Winstrol and Halo which are both 17AA orals, I'd recommend against it.

Any reason for switching the order of the winny and tren? You had it tren then winny originally.

Are you sure I had Tren first?  I always run Winstrol with Deca in the same cycle for a synergistic effect, and the fact that people complain that Winstrol affects their joints has essentially been negated by running it with the Deca which has a therapeutic effect on them.  The Tren is for hardening, which is why I've left it for last.

You also made it 1month longer than planned, any reason for that?

I want a nice even number which makes this cycle 36 weeks (9 months).

The last 4 weeks are fine tuning and hardening, making sure that as much of the Deca and Sustanon as possible are out of your system so you can jump right in to PCT without delay.

Finally, you recommended milk thistle as well as vit E & C, I've noticed from your post that you often mention that you take a lot of non-AAS supplements to aid in the whole process. Just out of curiosity, what all do you take, and is there anything else you would highly recommend?

I'm basic, bro.

Before workouts I take:

Vanadyl Sulfate
Chromium Picolinate
ECA
Whey Protein w/ water.

Post-Workout shake:

40-60G Whey Protein Isolate
500MG Potassium
4G Vit C
300IU Vit E

Milk Thistle throughout the day.



DIV

[Arnold jr]

Again, as allways, much thanks to you for your time and advice.

On another note, this cycle will have to stop at wk 33 due to timing, but I will consider all the advice you have given and make changes where necessary to fit that set time frame.

[freakfestMD]

G R E A T cycle arnie!!  I am sooooo jealous!

I'd agree with extending your PCT perhaps a little longer, but everything else looks great.

Milk thistle is probably not useful, and marble ran an amazing thread a while back indicating that it is not only useless but may also be counterproductive.  I'll have to dig back a ways to find it, but the jist was to not use it.

Checking liver enzymes pre-cycle and at mid-point may not be a bad idea if you can swing it.  If liver toxitiy concerns you, one suggestion would be tationil (reduced glutathione).  200mg IM every 4 weeks through the cycle may afford protection.

[DIVISION]

G R E A T cycle arnie!!  I am sooooo jealous!

I'd agree with extending your PCT perhaps a little longer, but everything else looks great.

Milk thistle is probably not useful, and marble ran an amazing thread a while back indicating that it is not only useless but may also be counterproductive.  I'll have to dig back a ways to find it, but the jist was to not use it.

Checking liver enzymes pre-cycle and at mid-point may not be a bad idea if you can swing it.  If liver toxitiy concerns you, one suggestion would be tationil (reduced glutathione).  200mg IM every 4 weeks through the cycle may afford protection.

We need Marble back for these reasons.

I use Tyler's Liver Detox.....the main ingredient is "Calcium Glucarate" which has been shown to protect the liver against bile buildup due to 17AA orals.  It also contains Milk Thistle.

I'd like to see the Marble article.......to this point, no one had ever talked down on Milk Thistle.



DIV

[mem]

We need Marble back for these reasons.

I use Tyler's Liver Detox.....the main ingredient is "Calcium Glucarate" which has been shown to protect the liver against bile buildup due to 17AA orals.  It also contains Milk Thistle.

I'd like to see the Marble article.......to this point, no one had ever talked down on Milk Thistle.



DIV

Silymarin/Milk Thistle has documented - proven liver reginerating properties
Also have IT in my suppliment supply . . .

While unrelated (to core of thread) . . . the amazing
Gingko Biloba is another (herb) should be considered (more) for
antioxident / free radical scavenging activities for serious athletes'
post exercise / recovery program . . .

Grape seed extracts, too.

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[mem]

OH and a great cycle boys. Awesome talents amongst us . . .

I question whether my (old[er]) system could handle the
competant guidance, *very complete* list as shown.

One  M O N S T E R  of an upcoming cycle.

I cannot wait to hear of the results . . .