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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2012, 09:36:53 AM »
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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2012, 09:38:21 AM »
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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2012, 10:04:44 AM »
GM decided to close the plant before Obama even won the election and even before he won the Democratic Primary.  Besides, I thought Republicans wanted Obama to leave the Private Sector alone.  Shouldn`t you be praising Obama here?  ???

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2012, 10:06:10 AM »
GM decided to close the plant before Obama even won the election.  Besides, I thought Republicans wanted Obama to leave the Private Sector alone.  Shouldn`t you be praising Obama here?  ???

And obama promised that if he got his bailout the place would retool and stay open for 100 years.

He got his bailout and the plant still closed.


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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2012, 10:07:23 AM »
And obama promised that if he got his bailout the place would retool and stay open for 100 years.

He got his bailout and the plant still closed.


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He did?  Where?

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2012, 10:12:38 AM »
He did?  Where?

The Washington Post, and a host of other liberal media outlets, are calling this passage “misleading” because the Janesville plant “closed before the president was inaugurated.” The Post is dead wrong. Here are the facts:
 
1. On February 13, 2008 Obama said in Janesville : “I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years.”
 
2. In June 2008 GM announced that the Janesville plant would stop production of medium-duty trucks by the end of 2009, and stop production of large SUVs in 2010 or sooner.
 
3. In October 2008 Obama doubled down on his promise to keep Janesville plant open: “As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America.”
 
4. In December 2008 GM idled production of GM SUVs at the Janesville plant. Medium-duty truck assembly continued.
 
5. In April 2009, four months after Obama was inaugurated, GM idled production of medium-duty trucks.
 
6. In September 2011, more than two years after Obama was inaugurated, GM reiterates that Janesville plant is on “stand by status.” Auto industry observer David Cole, tells the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel it would be premature to say the Janesville plant will never reopen.
 
6. Today the GM facility in Janesville still has not been retooled “so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs,” as Obama promised.

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #32 on: August 30, 2012, 10:13:03 AM »
He did?  Where?

Right there...you see.... because 3333 thinks it in his head... and Failure is soely measured by his fluctuating definition, if 3333, the self appointed authority on all things Obama says something is a failure... well by Jeebus... its a darn fail

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #33 on: August 30, 2012, 10:16:02 AM »
The Washington Post, and a host of other liberal media outlets, are calling this passage “misleading” because the Janesville plant “closed before the president was inaugurated.” The Post is dead wrong. Here are the facts:
 
1. On February 13, 2008 Obama said in Janesville : “I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years.”
 
2. In June 2008 GM announced that the Janesville plant would stop production of medium-duty trucks by the end of 2009, and stop production of large SUVs in 2010 or sooner.
 
3. In October 2008 Obama doubled down on his promise to keep Janesville plant open: “As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America.”
 
4. In December 2008 GM idled production of GM SUVs at the Janesville plant. Medium-duty truck assembly continued.
 
5. In April 2009, four months after Obama was inaugurated, GM idled production of medium-duty trucks.
 
6. In September 2011, more than two years after Obama was inaugurated, GM reiterates that Janesville plant is on “stand by status.” Auto industry observer David Cole, tells the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel it would be premature to say the Janesville plant will never reopen.
 
6. Today the GM facility in Janesville still has not been retooled “so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs,” as Obama promised.

The plant is on standby status and not closed.  Your number 6 even states its not closed yet.

But that doesn`t really matter because I don`t see where Obama made any promises to specifically keep any plant open.

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #34 on: August 30, 2012, 10:17:01 AM »
Also, shouldn`t you be glad Obama hasn`t intervened?  Republicans, if they really believe what they say, should be praising him here.

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #35 on: August 30, 2012, 10:17:49 AM »
The plant is on standby status and not closed.  Your number 6 even states its not closed yet.

But that doesn`t really matter because I don`t see where Obama made any promises to specifically keep any plant open.

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #36 on: August 30, 2012, 10:18:32 AM »
Also, shouldn`t you be glad Obama hasn`t intervened?  Republicans, if they really believe what they say, should be praising him here.

Obama put over 20,000 out of work in the bailout which was only meant to give money to the unions , not help the company be viable. 

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #37 on: August 30, 2012, 10:19:32 AM »
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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #38 on: August 30, 2012, 10:20:27 AM »
Right there...you see.... because 3333 thinks it in his head... and Failure is soely measured by his fluctuating definition, if 3333, the self appointed authority on all things Obama says something is a failure... well by Jeebus... its a darn fail


I posted his own statement on re-tooling the plant and it staying open for 100 years.  

Again, like the typical obama sycophant, obama is never at fault for his failed promises, never to blame for his lies and deceit, etc.  


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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #39 on: August 30, 2012, 10:21:19 AM »
3. In October 2008 Obama doubled down on his promise to keep Janesville plant open: “As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America.”





HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU CLOWNS SPIN THIS? 

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #40 on: August 30, 2012, 10:22:30 AM »
Paul Ryan voted for the Bailout too.  Does that mean he was part of the promise to keep the plant open?

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #41 on: August 30, 2012, 10:24:07 AM »
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/18/nation/la-na-ryan-gm-20120818

Rep. Paul Ryan fought to bail out GM plant in Wisconsin district
Conservatives view Mitt Romney's running mate as a symbol of fiscal austerity and Democrats see him as a radical ideologue. Neither characterization fits his effort to save the GM plant.
August 18, 2012|By Kathleen Hennessey, Washington Bureau
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The shuttered General Motors plant in Janesville, Wis., hometown of Rep.… (Andy Manis, Associated…)
JANESVILLE, Wis. — In September 2008, as Wall Street was roiling with calamity, Rep. Paul D. Ryan was facing another looming disaster back home.

A General Motors plant, the lifeblood of his hometown, was set to close. The huge Suburbans and Tahoes from the Janesville production line were no longer in vogue. The aging plant was to stop production by Christmas — unless Ryan and other Wisconsin officials could save it.


Ryan, then the ranking Republican on the House Budget Committee, flew to Detroit to cajole GM executives. For more than an hour, he and other officials made a PowerPoint proposal that mixed union concessions with unprecedented state and local tax breaks for GM.

"We put an enormous package on the table," said then-Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle, a Democrat, of the state-led effort.

Two years later, as chairman of the budget committee, Ryan became known for another PowerPoint presentation — a slide show on the federal government's ballooning debt. In that pitch, Ryan touted his budget plan, which includes a vow to "end corporate welfare."

Now Ryan's plan and his salesmanship have helped him become GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney's running mate. The choice has thrilled conservatives who view him as a symbol of unwavering fiscal austerity and delighted Democrats who see him as a radical ideologue.

Neither characterization fits Ryan's effort to save the GM plant in his district. Despite his paeans to free markets, Ryan voted for $14 billion in emergency federal loans to help bail out the auto industry during the waning days of the George W. Bush administration.

Ryan was closely involved in a task force that helped craft two incentive packages with large state tax breaks for GM, and personally lobbied GM executives to accept the bids.

"I would say Congressman Ryan did what a good member of Congress would do for his district," Doyle said. He added that like many other Republicans, Ryan made sure to "complain about the so-called stimulus and bailouts while also lining up to make sure their districts were getting taken care of."

Ryan's record of seeking federal money for his district came under close scrutiny last week after he denied and then acknowledged requesting money available under the $800-billion stimulus bill passed by Congress in 2009. Ryan had voted against the bill, and decried it as wasteful. In a statement Thursday, he said constituents' requests for stimulus funds "should have been handled differently."

A Ryan aide, who asked for anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the issue, said that although Ryan's proposed budget plan promises to take the federal government "out of the business of picking winners and losers in the marketplace," he makes a distinction between what is appropriate for the federal and state governments. Ryan believes states are free to compete for business as they see fit, the aide said.

No one in Janesville was surprised that their native son would try to save the GM plant.

Ryan's family had been in the blue-collar town for five generations, even longer than the GM plant, then 82 years old. Ryan's father had worked there one summer during high school. Ryan regularly campaigned outside the gates when he ran for Congress.


Rumors of the plant's demise were perennial, however. When GM finally announced in May 2008 that it would stop production by year's end, local and state officials scrambled to save more than 4,000 jobs.

Local, state and federal leaders formed a task force to persuade GM to give Janesville another look. Ryan's chief of staff was a fixture at the meetings and Ryan regularly reached out to GM Chief Executive Rick Wagoner, with whom he had forged a close working relationship, participants said.

Ryan "knew what it meant, how devastating it would be," said Tim Cullen, the task force co-chairman and now a Democratic state senator. "I think he showed he has a pragmatic streak in him."

At the September 2008 meeting in Detroit, Ryan helped pitch a $224-million proposal that included roughly $50 million in state enterprise zone tax credits, local government grants worth $22 million, and major contract concessions from the United Auto Workers union local.

But it soon became clear that the future of Janesville — and all of GM — hinged on federal intervention.

In late November, executives from Detroit's Big Three flew to Washington to ask for a bailout. The next day, Mitt Romney made his opposition clear in a New York Times op-ed titled, "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt."

Ryan disagreed. He supported a House bill that offered $14 billion in fast-tracked loans to GM and Chrysler. Ryan cited his district's "gut-wrenching" experience with layoffs, and a commitment to the auto industry. He also suggested that, under other circumstances, he might have voted no.

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #42 on: August 30, 2012, 10:25:26 AM »
And your point is? 

The bottom line is that Obama pissed away the $$$$ and broke his promise TO LEAD AN EFFORT TO RETOOL THE PLANT

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/18/nation/la-na-ryan-gm-20120818

Rep. Paul Ryan fought to bail out GM plant in Wisconsin district
Conservatives view Mitt Romney's running mate as a symbol of fiscal austerity and Democrats see him as a radical ideologue. Neither characterization fits his effort to save the GM plant.
August 18, 2012|By Kathleen Hennessey, Washington Bureau
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The shuttered General Motors plant in Janesville, Wis., hometown of Rep.… (Andy Manis, Associated…)
JANESVILLE, Wis. — In September 2008, as Wall Street was roiling with calamity, Rep. Paul D. Ryan was facing another looming disaster back home.

A General Motors plant, the lifeblood of his hometown, was set to close. The huge Suburbans and Tahoes from the Janesville production line were no longer in vogue. The aging plant was to stop production by Christmas — unless Ryan and other Wisconsin officials could save it.


Ryan, then the ranking Republican on the House Budget Committee, flew to Detroit to cajole GM executives. For more than an hour, he and other officials made a PowerPoint proposal that mixed union concessions with unprecedented state and local tax breaks for GM.

"We put an enormous package on the table," said then-Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle, a Democrat, of the state-led effort.

Two years later, as chairman of the budget committee, Ryan became known for another PowerPoint presentation — a slide show on the federal government's ballooning debt. In that pitch, Ryan touted his budget plan, which includes a vow to "end corporate welfare."

Now Ryan's plan and his salesmanship have helped him become GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney's running mate. The choice has thrilled conservatives who view him as a symbol of unwavering fiscal austerity and delighted Democrats who see him as a radical ideologue.

Neither characterization fits Ryan's effort to save the GM plant in his district. Despite his paeans to free markets, Ryan voted for $14 billion in emergency federal loans to help bail out the auto industry during the waning days of the George W. Bush administration.

Ryan was closely involved in a task force that helped craft two incentive packages with large state tax breaks for GM, and personally lobbied GM executives to accept the bids.

"I would say Congressman Ryan did what a good member of Congress would do for his district," Doyle said. He added that like many other Republicans, Ryan made sure to "complain about the so-called stimulus and bailouts while also lining up to make sure their districts were getting taken care of."

Ryan's record of seeking federal money for his district came under close scrutiny last week after he denied and then acknowledged requesting money available under the $800-billion stimulus bill passed by Congress in 2009. Ryan had voted against the bill, and decried it as wasteful. In a statement Thursday, he said constituents' requests for stimulus funds "should have been handled differently."

A Ryan aide, who asked for anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the issue, said that although Ryan's proposed budget plan promises to take the federal government "out of the business of picking winners and losers in the marketplace," he makes a distinction between what is appropriate for the federal and state governments. Ryan believes states are free to compete for business as they see fit, the aide said.

No one in Janesville was surprised that their native son would try to save the GM plant.

Ryan's family had been in the blue-collar town for five generations, even longer than the GM plant, then 82 years old. Ryan's father had worked there one summer during high school. Ryan regularly campaigned outside the gates when he ran for Congress.


Rumors of the plant's demise were perennial, however. When GM finally announced in May 2008 that it would stop production by year's end, local and state officials scrambled to save more than 4,000 jobs.

Local, state and federal leaders formed a task force to persuade GM to give Janesville another look. Ryan's chief of staff was a fixture at the meetings and Ryan regularly reached out to GM Chief Executive Rick Wagoner, with whom he had forged a close working relationship, participants said.

Ryan "knew what it meant, how devastating it would be," said Tim Cullen, the task force co-chairman and now a Democratic state senator. "I think he showed he has a pragmatic streak in him."

At the September 2008 meeting in Detroit, Ryan helped pitch a $224-million proposal that included roughly $50 million in state enterprise zone tax credits, local government grants worth $22 million, and major contract concessions from the United Auto Workers union local.

But it soon became clear that the future of Janesville — and all of GM — hinged on federal intervention.

In late November, executives from Detroit's Big Three flew to Washington to ask for a bailout. The next day, Mitt Romney made his opposition clear in a New York Times op-ed titled, "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt."

Ryan disagreed. He supported a House bill that offered $14 billion in fast-tracked loans to GM and Chrysler. Ryan cited his district's "gut-wrenching" experience with layoffs, and a commitment to the auto industry. He also suggested that, under other circumstances, he might have voted no.

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #43 on: August 30, 2012, 10:26:24 AM »
Oh, Romney and Paul are truly a match made in Heaven.  ROFLMAO.  

How you Republicans support them is beyond amusing.  


So do you support Ryan`s Bailout vote and his Secret Bailout Meetings with GM or do you support his nonsense afterwards?  Which Ryan is it?

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #44 on: August 30, 2012, 10:26:51 AM »
The meltdown Ryan has generated tells me his speech was quite effective.

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #45 on: August 30, 2012, 10:28:01 AM »
And your point is? 

The bottom line is that Obama pissed away the $$$$ and broke his promise TO LEAD AN EFFORT TO RETOOL THE PLANT

Looks like it was more of Ryan`s promise to Bailout the plant than Obama.  He even had meetings with them and did a power point presentation as well tried to broker a deal with the Bailout money to pay the Unions.

Ryan must have failed on his promise eh?

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #46 on: August 30, 2012, 10:28:35 AM »
Oh, Romney and Paul are truly a match made in Heaven.  ROFLMAO.  

How you Republicans support them is beyond amusing.  


So do you support Ryan`s Bailout vote and his Secret Bailout Meetings with GM or do you support his nonsense afterwards?  Which Ryan is it?

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #47 on: August 30, 2012, 10:30:03 AM »
We are A B O

I would vote for Charles Manson / Ed Geins' corpse to get this piece of shit of office. 


TA...you know youve won a debate with 3333 when he goes the ABO route

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #48 on: August 30, 2012, 10:33:04 AM »

TA...you know youve won a debate with 3333 when he goes the ABO route
Well its just hilarious to even see this kind of nonsense.  They are essentially arguing against Obama when he stayed pretty much out of the whole GM plant thing.  Whereas, you had Ryan flying to the plant, holding meetings with GM, discussing what he could do for them with the Bailout Money, then voting for the Bailout, then Failing to deliver.

Somehow Obama is at fault for Ryan`s actions here.  Its amusing really.

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Re: Media Calls Out Paul Ryan Acceptance Speech For Falsehoods
« Reply #49 on: August 30, 2012, 10:35:20 AM »

TA...you know youve won a debate with 3333 when he goes the ABO route

LOL - I posted obama's own words that HE WOULD LEAD AN EFFORT TO RE-TOOL THE PLANT! 


Did obama do that YES or NO?