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Republicans want to TAX the Internet/Internet Purchases.
« on: September 01, 2012, 02:01:31 AM »
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505268_162-57473677/sales-tax-on-web-purchases-could-be-coming/


Sales tax on Web purchases could be coming

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(CBS News) WASHINGTON - Congress is considering a bill that could result in a sales tax of five-to-ten percent on purchases made via the Internet, bringing prices on such buys in line with those at brick-and-mortar stores.

For years, "brick and mortar" stores such as Walmart and Target have been trying to get their online competitors, such as Amazon, to require their customers to charge sales tax.

And for years, the online companies blocked those efforts. But the momentum appears to be shifting, and online shopping could soon become more expensive.

A bipartisan bill before Congress would allow states to decide whether to tax online sales.

U.S. consumers spent more than $200 billion shopping online last year.

Fifty-three percent of Americans let their fingers do the shopping, averaging about $1,200. By 2016, 58 percent are expected to take the plunge, spending more than $1,700 dollars apiece.

Supporters of the legislation, like Sen. Lamar Alexander (R, Tenn.), insist it's less about raising taxes than it is about states' rights.

"Let's get out of the way and let states make their own decisions, and then the states can decide from whom they want to collect their sales taxes," he said on the Senate floor recently.

And he's getting help from some unlikely sources. At least a dozen conservative Republican governors, who are usually fervently anti-tax, now back giving states the power to tax online sales.

Why? Partly states' rights -- but it's also because their budgets are so squeezed, they need the money.

If the bill becomes law, an estimated $23 billion is expected to flow into state coffers, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Steve DelBianco is executive director of NetChoice, which represents Internet companies. He says the bill would mire thousands of small online businesses in a nightmarish web of new taxes.

"The big loser(s) (would be) small businesses," DelBianco asserts, "the same small businesses we're counting on to create the jobs to pull us out of the recession."

Alexander says the change in momentum on this issue is so profound, he's confident the measure will become law by next year at the latest.



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Re: Republicans want to TAX the Internet/Internet Purchases.
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2012, 02:03:54 AM »
http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/jborowski/senate-republicans-push-for-internet-sales-taxes

Senate Republicans Push for Internet Sales Taxes
By Julie Borowski on August 17, 2012

Despite their lip service to cutting taxes, a handful of Republican senators are pushing for a sales tax on Internet purchases. Senator Mike Enzi of Wyoming has introduced the so-called Marketplace Fairness Act that would create a new national online tax that would take away more of our money and freedom. The Republican cosponsors of S. 1832 are Sens. Lamar Alexander, Roy Blunt, John Boozman, and Bob Corker. These Internet sales tax schemes are nothing new but greedy politicians seem more determined than ever to pass it this year.

As it currently stands, you are not required to pay any state taxes if you are purchasing a product on the Internet from a store or a person in another state. States can only impose taxes on businesses within their borders. But that could all change if a handful of Democratic and Republican Senators get their way.

Senator Lamar Alexander of Tennessee told the Wall Street Journal that an online sales tax “is going to happen – if not this year, then definitely by next year.” (P.S. he’s up for reelection in 2014.)

Thankfully, there are still principled conservatives in the Senate who are standing firmly against a national online sales tax. Senator Jim DeMint of South Carolina wrote an outstanding Wall Street Journal op-ed citing his opposition to the Marketplace Fairness Act. Here’s a clip:

    At its core, this is a nationally mandated Internet sales tax on businesses. Once a single state demands these sales tax collections under the new law, businesses in every other state would be forced to comply with that state's tax laws. Dozens of states are eagerly waiting to raise those taxes, as soon as Washington opens the floodgates.

    The burden on Internet entrepreneurs could be staggering. There are already nearly 10,000 state, local and municipal tax jurisdictions to navigate nationwide.

    Just complying with a single state's tax laws costs small businesses disproportionately more than larger firms that can afford accounting and technology teams to help them work through these arcane laws. A 2006 PricewaterhouseCoopers study found that tax-compliance costs for small businesses (those having $1 million to $10 million in annual sales) are nearly 2.5 times greater than those of larger firms. For businesses under $1 million in sales, those costs explode to 16 cents on every dollar of revenue.

(The whole op-ed is worth reading here.)

Congress should be focused on cutting spending—not dreaming up new ways to take away even more money from families trying to make ends meet in this troubled economy. Sign the FreedomWorks’ petition to stop the online sales tax today.

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Re: Republicans want to TAX the Internet/Internet Purchases.
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2012, 02:04:19 AM »

what the fuk !!!



Seriously, I thought republicans were the non-communists in USA  :-\

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Re: Republicans want to TAX the Internet/Internet Purchases.
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2012, 02:10:16 AM »
Lol you poor mothers it's going to suck do bad living I the us once the reps have you back in your stranglehold

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Re: Republicans want to TAX the Internet/Internet Purchases.
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2012, 02:28:21 AM »
The more you tighten your grip, the more the internet will slip through your fingers, Lord Vader.

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Re: Republicans want to TAX the Internet/Internet Purchases.
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2012, 05:44:24 AM »
Yes..how dare those evil republican govenors seek to establish equal footing for those brick and mortar compnies who have made a financial commitmet to their states. 

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Re: Republicans want to TAX the Internet/Internet Purchases.
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2012, 05:48:24 AM »
Illinois you have to report what you purchase online and then pay for the tax.  Come April 15th

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Re: Republicans want to TAX the Internet/Internet Purchases.
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2012, 07:17:24 AM »
Lol you poor mothers it's going to suck do bad living I the us once the reps have you back in your stranglehold

Stark don;t forget to send me that info Monday...lol
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Re: Republicans want to TAX the Internet/Internet Purchases.
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2012, 07:51:09 AM »
Stark don;t forget to send me that info Monday...lol

Course not, as soon as my email is replied.

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Re: Republicans want to TAX the Internet/Internet Purchases.
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2012, 08:16:45 AM »
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505268_162-57473677/sales-tax-on-web-purchases-could-be-coming/


Sales tax on Web purchases could be coming

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    Chip Reid

Play CBS News Video

(CBS News) WASHINGTON - Congress is considering a bill that could result in a sales tax of five-to-ten percent on purchases made via the Internet, bringing prices on such buys in line with those at brick-and-mortar stores.

For years, "brick and mortar" stores such as Walmart and Target have been trying to get their online competitors, such as Amazon, to require their customers to charge sales tax.

And for years, the online companies blocked those efforts. But the momentum appears to be shifting, and online shopping could soon become more expensive.

A bipartisan bill before Congress would allow states to decide whether to tax online sales.

U.S. consumers spent more than $200 billion shopping online last year.

Fifty-three percent of Americans let their fingers do the shopping, averaging about $1,200. By 2016, 58 percent are expected to take the plunge, spending more than $1,700 dollars apiece.

Supporters of the legislation, like Sen. Lamar Alexander (R, Tenn.), insist it's less about raising taxes than it is about states' rights.

"Let's get out of the way and let states make their own decisions, and then the states can decide from whom they want to collect their sales taxes," he said on the Senate floor recently.

And he's getting help from some unlikely sources. At least a dozen conservative Republican governors, who are usually fervently anti-tax, now back giving states the power to tax online sales.

Why? Partly states' rights -- but it's also because their budgets are so squeezed, they need the money.

If the bill becomes law, an estimated $23 billion is expected to flow into state coffers, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Steve DelBianco is executive director of NetChoice, which represents Internet companies. He says the bill would mire thousands of small online businesses in a nightmarish web of new taxes.

"The big loser(s) (would be) small businesses," DelBianco asserts, "the same small businesses we're counting on to create the jobs to pull us out of the recession."

Alexander says the change in momentum on this issue is so profound, he's confident the measure will become law by next year at the latest.




I don't like it, it sucks but if thats all you got compared to Obamacare, increasing capitol gains taxes from 15 to 25%, raising taxes to pay a failed stimulus that went to other countries, etc, etc....then so be it. It's chump change.

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Re: Republicans want to TAX the Internet/Internet Purchases.
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2012, 08:25:40 AM »
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505268_162-57473677/sales-tax-on-web-purchases-could-be-coming/


Sales tax on Web purchases could be coming

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    Chip Reid

Play CBS News Video

(CBS News) WASHINGTON - Congress is considering a bill that could result in a sales tax of five-to-ten percent on purchases made via the Internet, bringing prices on such buys in line with those at brick-and-mortar stores.

For years, "brick and mortar" stores such as Walmart and Target have been trying to get their online competitors, such as Amazon, to require their customers to charge sales tax.

And for years, the online companies blocked those efforts. But the momentum appears to be shifting, and online shopping could soon become more expensive.

A bipartisan bill before Congress would allow states to decide whether to tax online sales.

U.S. consumers spent more than $200 billion shopping online last year.

Fifty-three percent of Americans let their fingers do the shopping, averaging about $1,200. By 2016, 58 percent are expected to take the plunge, spending more than $1,700 dollars apiece.

Supporters of the legislation, like Sen. Lamar Alexander (R, Tenn.), insist it's less about raising taxes than it is about states' rights.

"Let's get out of the way and let states make their own decisions, and then the states can decide from whom they want to collect their sales taxes," he said on the Senate floor recently.

And he's getting help from some unlikely sources. At least a dozen conservative Republican governors, who are usually fervently anti-tax, now back giving states the power to tax online sales.

Why? Partly states' rights -- but it's also because their budgets are so squeezed, they need the money.

If the bill becomes law, an estimated $23 billion is expected to flow into state coffers, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Steve DelBianco is executive director of NetChoice, which represents Internet companies. He says the bill would mire thousands of small online businesses in a nightmarish web of new taxes.

"The big loser(s) (would be) small businesses," DelBianco asserts, "the same small businesses we're counting on to create the jobs to pull us out of the recession."

Alexander says the change in momentum on this issue is so profound, he's confident the measure will become law by next year at the latest.




"A bipartisan bill before Congress would allow states to decide whether to tax online sales."

Oh for chrissakes - it's politicians being politicians. Has nothing to do with being a Repub initiative.

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Re: Republicans want to TAX the Internet/Internet Purchases.
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2012, 08:27:25 AM »
Yes..how dare those evil republican govenors seek to establish equal footing for those brick and mortar compnies who have made a financial commitmet to their states.  

The creative destruction of capitalism is at work in this instance and has decided that in certain categories of shopping, online companies ought to survive over brick-and-mortar businesses. So, your question really ought to be, "How dare those evil Republican governors seek to disrupt the natural function of markets, interfering for their own benefit and supporting a measure that will raise taxes on millions of Americans?", in which case it is no longer rhetorical.

Also, I'm sure another element of this Adonis is trying to highlight here is that Republicans adhere to a mythology of pure markets and a 'taxes are never to be raised' attitude, when in reality they are oftentimes just as anti-market and pro-tax as democrats.

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Re: Republicans want to TAX the Internet/Internet Purchases.
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2012, 08:31:37 AM »
Don't a number of states already require taxpayers to self report internet purchases and pay the taxes as part of their tax returns?  Soooooo...aren't the people who don't do that tax cheats?  Adonis...do you report your internet purchases?  If not, do you feel you have the right to criticize Mitt Romney on the issue of taxation?  By all accounts, he's followed the letter of the law.  If you're violating the law..shouldn't you just STFU?  :)

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Re: Republicans want to TAX the Internet/Internet Purchases.
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2012, 08:36:40 AM »
The creative destruction of capitalism is at work in this instance and has decided that in certain categories of shopping, online companies ought to survive over brick-and-mortar businesses. So, your question really ought to be, "How dare those evil Republican governors seek to disrupt the natural function of markets, interfering for their own benefit and supporting a measure that will raise taxes on millions of Americans?", in which case the question is no longer rhetorical.

Interesting take...but fundamentally flawed.  The market has moved to online sellers in large part because you can avoid taxation by cheating and not reporting the purchase on your taxes.  That isn't a built in competitive advantage...it's a loophole that's a vestige of a time when online sales didn't amount to enough to matter.  If you believe that it isn't the government's job to pick winners via tax policy, you have to support taxing online sales at the point of purchase

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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2012, 01:11:31 PM »
Interesting take...but fundamentally flawed.  The market has moved to online sellers in large part because you can avoid taxation by cheating and not reporting the purchase on your taxes.  That isn't a built in competitive advantage...it's a loophole that's a vestige of a time when online sales didn't amount to enough to matter.  If you believe that it isn't the government's job to pick winners via tax policy, you have to support taxing online sales at the point of purchase

Your argument works if we assume that the current setup constitutes "cheating," but I don't think that that is obvious at all.

To me it doesn't seem that shopping from an online entity that exists outside of your state and thus not having to pay sales tax on your purchases (since the Constitution prohibits states from taxing interstate commerce and the S.C. court established that jurisdiction for such a tax is only established when the entity has a physical location in the state) is "cheating." And I'm certainly not alone in thinking this way, as Illinois's internet sales tax was recently struck down.

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Re: Republicans want to TAX the Internet/Internet Purchases.
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2012, 01:23:29 PM »
That sux

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Re: Republicans want to TAX the Internet/Internet Purchases.
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2012, 01:24:23 PM »
Perhaps..but your line of thinking ignores technology.  The internet allows companies to create a virtual store that's every bit as real and as detailed as a brick and mortar operation.  They're utilizing methods of accessing that store that exist within the boundaries of my state...cable, wireless towers, my computer, phone etc...   Those virtual stores would not exist without them...so, the argument that they are not entitled to special treatment has some merit.  

Besides...numerous states other than Illinois require the reporting of internet purchases, so I fail to see why Illinois should be considered the controlling opinion...

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Re: Republicans want to TAX the Internet/Internet Purchases.
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2012, 01:29:02 PM »
Romney & Ryan have absolutely zero chance of winning. None. The reps should have come with the ticket of Jerry Sandusky & Charles Manson- they would have gotten more votes. 
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Re: Republicans want to TAX the Internet/Internet Purchases.
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2012, 01:33:50 PM »
Thank you,  Mr Non-Sequiter.....

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Re: Republicans want to TAX the Internet/Internet Purchases.
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2012, 01:45:34 PM »
Look at the size of that fish.
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Re: Republicans want to TAX the Internet/Internet Purchases.
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2012, 03:27:00 PM »
Give me one good reason why you would vote for Obama.

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Re: Republicans want to TAX the Internet/Internet Purchases.
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2012, 03:28:19 PM »
Give me one good reason why you would vote for Obama.
I already gave you two.  His foreign policy and his stance on Internet Freedom.

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Re: Republicans want to TAX the Internet/Internet Purchases.
« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2012, 03:36:58 PM »
are repubs trying to lose this election?
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« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2012, 03:40:12 PM »
I already gave you two.  His foreign policy and his stance on Internet Freedom.

His foreign policy is horrid. Kisses the asses of dictators and ignores and mocks our allies. If anything he's a traitor.

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Re: Republicans want to TAX the Internet/Internet Purchases.
« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2012, 03:41:23 PM »
are repubs trying to lose this election?

If there is one thing you dont do, its mess with peoples internet, and that goes with anything having to do with the internet. There are a lot more nerds on this planet than we think lol
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