Newbie and Cost of cycle

[SUPREME BEING]

I am starting my first cycle:

Decided to use:

sust  1-12 250mg Mon  250mg thurs
deca 1-10 200mg per week
Clomid pct
Nolvadex on hand in case of gyno


What do you think of this for a first cycle. I know for a newbie i should be using Test (enathate or Cypionate) but i read a lot about sust and would rather try sus (do you agree or feel this is a bad move).

Now the cost of my goods are questionable, i have a reliable source but seems very expensive, what do you guys reckon?
Relative costs are:

50 amps of Sustanon (Karachi)250mg 1 Amp = £165  (estimate $300)
50 amps of Deca(Norma) 100mg/ml 2ml = £200 (estimate $400)

Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much

[sportingsteroids]

test 500 mg/wee
deca 400 mg/week
for first time, and maybe dbol 30mg/day

[muscle19]

thats alot of juice, ull for surer have left overs so no i dont think that is a bad price to pay for all that. doing sust for  first cycle is ok because it is still test but if ur doing sust i would inject it 3 times a wk (mon, wed, fri) and again bump the deca to 400mg. this cycle should produce good gains. good luck bro and keep us posted.


muscle

[DIVISION]

I am starting my first cycle:

Decided to use:

sust  1-12 250mg Mon  250mg thurs
deca 1-10 200mg per week
Clomid pct
Nolvadex on hand in case of gyno

Looks good to me.......wish I'd used test my first cycle......would have prevented the Decadick.

See how this cycle works for you, you will definitely grow........there is no way you won't.

Just make sure you bust nuts in the gym, eat, sleep.....etc.



DIV

[Luv2Hurt]

test 500 mg/wee
deca 400 mg/week
for first time, and maybe dbol 30mg/day

This cycle is better.  Also use the nolva for pct.

[freakfestMD]

Agree.  Deca at 200 mg is probably pretty useless unless you just want to capitalize on the anti-inflammatory properties.  Us older guys will often add it in at low doses for that reason, but that's because our joints are pretty fu*ked up at this point  . I'd raise the deca to 400mg per week.  If it's your first cycle, I would keep the test at 500mg.  You'll want room to expand on this in future cycles (which you WILL do once you see the results of this one!  ).

[adren]

That's a decent first cycle.. sust and deca.

[SUPREME BEING]

Thanks for the replies. However, i have a problem; recently i twisted my knee running - it is quite bad and looks like i won't be training legs in the next couple of months.

Should i still go ahead with this cycle regardless of the fact that i cannot no longer train legs or shall i wait till my knee is okay??

What do you guys reckon as i am ready and psyched to go with this cycle!!!

[freakfestMD]

That sucks!  I don't know what to tell you.  I like to enter a cycle when I'm at my best.  I'd probably hold off.  What exactly did you do to the knee?

[mem]

- - I like to enter a cycle when I'm at my best.  I'd probably hold off.  - -

DITTO - wait until you can maximize the gains
(especially) for your first cycle. No sense in holding
back (protecting) your knee. Wait and GO all out!

- - - - -

Test and Deca were (also) my first . . .
and remain my staples 10 years later . . .

as ffMD mentioned. Deca IS *great for the joints*
and used (prescribed) for older adults (like me)
on HRT specifically for this role . . .

[Luv2Hurt]

Thanks for the replies. However, i have a problem; recently i twisted my knee running - it is quite bad and looks like i won't be training legs in the next couple of months.

Should i still go ahead with this cycle regardless of the fact that i cannot no longer train legs or shall i wait till my knee is okay??

What do you guys reckon as i am ready and psyched to go with this cycle!!!

I would wait too...you are the SUPREME BEING, you have a long time to cycle...like for eternity. 

[DIVISION]

Thanks for the replies. However, i have a problem; recently i twisted my knee running - it is quite bad and looks like i won't be training legs in the next couple of months.

Should i still go ahead with this cycle regardless of the fact that i cannot no longer train legs or shall i wait till my knee is okay??

What do you guys reckon as i am ready and psyched to go with this cycle!!!

Like the others said, hold off until you are healed.

Don't waste a cycle when you are injured.



DIV

[SUPREME BEING]

Okay guys my knee has healed well so i am basically ready to start my cycle. However, before i do i have one more question:

I have some major examinations coming up in the next 3 weeks, so basically i was wondering if the cycle i will be on will have major negative effects and not allow me to preform to my best on these exams.

I know my dosage is quite low but in reality i will be varying my hormones which will have an unpredictable effect on my revision plans.

Anyway just some advice required from some experienced juicers or anyone who has had a similar situation. I would be very happy if you could tell me of some experiences in which the juice effected you adversely when coming to: work / education/ etc.

Hopefully everyone tells me to go ahead and start the cycle instead of postponing it further 

Thanks for any advice guys.

[DIVISION]

Hopefully everyone tells me to go ahead and start the cycle instead of postponing it further 

Thanks for any advice guys.

What did I just tell you in the preceding thread?

You say you twisted your knee and won't be able to train the next couple months, but now it's all healed and ready?

I call bullshit.





DIV

[SUPREME BEING]

What did I just tell you in the preceding thread?

You say you twisted your knee and won't be able to train the next couple months, but now it's all healed and ready?

I call bullshit.





DIV

I calll Truth: injury was not as bad as i thought. The MRI scan gave me the all clear and already began light training on my knee, it feels okay, it seems strongish, just going to slowly build the strength back up (lot of light leg extensions, who knows maybe even start squatting again soon).

So back to my previous question? Any advice other than questioning the validity of my claims 
Thank guys

[freeagain]

f'uck squats ... never done em , never will.

gimme leg presses and deads on a back day anyday of the week over squats.. just too fuggin dangerous... my poor knees!

[Luv2Hurt]

I calll Truth: injury was not as bad as i thought. The MRI scan gave me the all clear and already began light training on my knee, it feels okay, it seems strongish, just going to slowly build the strength back up (lot of light leg extensions, who knows maybe even start squatting again soon).

So back to my previous question? Any advice other than questioning the validity of my claims 
Thank guys

For some injuries to the knee, leg extensions can be the worst thing.

[Arnold jr]

For some injuries to the knee, leg extensions can be the worst thing.

Agreed, lot of stress on the knees with these.

Address 2 more points concerning this thread:

To answer your queston on the cost of supplies "Supreme" looks OK to me. Yeah, you can find cheaper, but you can find a hell of a lot more expensive too. If you know your source is legit, and has quality products I don't see a problem with the price.

As far as your knee injury goes, I'm not going to question the validity of your quick miraculous healing, only you know the truth and real story... whether your telling the truth or if you are full of shit, I could care less. Not trying to sound cold, I wouldn't wish injury on anyone, but it doesn't really matter here.  The only thing that matters is if you are completely healthy or not, and only you know that. If your not then don't do the cycle, no matter how bad you want to. Wait until you are at 100% so you can train hard and properly, and take full advantage of the cycle as well as the money you spent.

[Luv2Hurt]

As far as your knee injury goes, I'm not going to question the validity of your quick miraculous healing, only you know the truth and real story... whether your telling the truth or if you are full of shit, I could care less. Not trying to sound cold, I wouldn't wish injury on anyone, but it doesn't really matter here.  The only thing that matters is if you are completely healthy or not, and only you know that. If your not then don't do the cycle, no matter how bad you want to. Wait until you are at 100% so you can train hard and properly, and take full advantage of the cycle as well as the money you spent.

Yep,  Arnie is right waste of time and money to cycle if you cant train balls to the wall.  Injuries are likely to appear on cycle anyhow, if you are not careful.

I don't know if you guys are like this but injuries seem to come in cycles for me.  It's like there is a period of nagging minor strains that come on.  Then there are periods where things feel great.

"Life is like a box of cycles"   

[freakfestMD]

"Life is like a box of cycles"   

Fwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Laugh my friggin* ass OFF!

[DIVISION]

I calll Truth: injury was not as bad as i thought. The MRI scan gave me the all clear and already began light training on my knee, it feels okay, it seems strongish, just going to slowly build the strength back up (lot of light leg extensions, who knows maybe even start squatting again soon).

I think you should build all your strength back up to where you were before before you start cycling.

At least have that foundation.




DIV

[SUPREME BEING]

Okay i will wait till my leg weights get back up! 

Can't wait to cycle though, going to bust my ass in the gym next few weeks.
Thanks for all advice guys, much appreciated. Will let you all know how things go when i do finally begin my cycle (until then the damn exams are top of my agenda  ).

[SUPREME BEING]

Ok guys i started my cycle this week.

Just one quick question regarding next week shots:

Currently taking 500mg sust and 400mg Deca (see cycle earlier in thread)
The Deca is 100mg per ml, hence my first shots were 3cc's as sust 250 is 1cc:
             
           200mg Deca and 250mg Sust - split up into two injections

Now i have researched that it is not a good idea for a newbie to shoot more than 2cc's in the leg or more than 1.5cc's in shoulder. Hence, my questions to you is what shall i do next week, will this mean i will require 4 shots (i.e. 1cc in both shoulders and 2cc's in both legs = 6cc's total for week).

I have already shot in left glute and right glute this week so would like to rotate my sites. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

[davinci]

put 200 deca and 250 sust in one syringe... just used sanitary procedures to do this... ie draw the sust first... then change needles then clean your vial of decca and draw it into the syringe... then change to your needle you pin with

hit any one of your spots with this on mon then hit another spot with same protocol on thur or wich ever days suit you...that way with each shot your gettin 1cc decca and 1cc of sust but over the two shots that week youll get your 500mg sust and 400 of decca and it will b spread out even to avoid drops in your levels.... also shoot your muscle group that your goin to train an hour before you work out example... if its leg day shoot your quad an hour before or if its shoulder day hit your delt an hour before....... i know it sounds crazy but this is great advice given to me by div and it works to keep down the swelling of the injection site and gets the blood flowin to pick it up

quads have now become my fav to pin

[SUPREME BEING]

put 200 deca and 250 sust in one syringe... just used sanitary procedures to do this... ie draw the sust first... then change needles then clean your vial of decca and draw it into the syringe... then change to your needle you pin with
hit any one of your spots with this on mon then hit another spot with same protocol on thur or wich ever days suit you...that way with each shot your gettin 1cc decca and 1cc of sust but over the two shots that week youll get your 500mg sust and 400 of decca and it will b spread out even to avoid drops in your levels.... also shoot your muscle group that your goin to train an hour before you work out example... if its leg day shoot your quad an hour before or if its shoulder day hit your delt an hour before....... i know it sounds crazy but this is great advice given to me by div and it works to keep down the swelling of the injection site and gets the blood flowin to pick it up
quads have now become my fav to pin

Thanks for the reply mate but thats what i did this week for glute shots, the problem is the 200mg Deca is: 2ml - Vial Nandrolone Decanoate NORMA - Each ml contains 100mg. Therefore, 200mg Deca = 2ml (Or 2cc). 200mg Deca combined with sust = 2cc + 1cc = 3cc. Hope this makes it clearer than my previous post.