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PRO-Guru's: give your top 5 of the 5 best known guru's
« on: November 19, 2012, 05:07:58 AM »


1) Chris Aceto: almost everyone seems to agree he is the best one, and I also think so, both from his results + what I've read from his approach, so not much to add here, apparently doesn't do the drug-strategy (or at least claims not to publicly)

2) George Farah: seems to consistently get good results, uses a sane dietary approach with plenty of carbohydrates, an annoying bullshitter but get's the job done, everyone knows about the DNP-rumours but never heard of actual confirmation on this from clients

3) Chad Nicholls: despite his well known successes with Ronnie and Flex, he seems to have more failures than the above 2, that's the reason I put him in third, lack of consistency

4) Hany Rambod: again, despite great successes with Phil and Jay, he seems to have a lot of clients that were "off", especially lately, was once the flavor of the day but he's dropping down fast, is rumored to be the one letting his clients use the biggest doses out of these 5 guru's

5) Dave Palumbo: uses a ketogenic diet which I'm not a fan of at all, imo as a result of his keto-approach, I've yet to see good showings of clients of his, Centopani for instance looked much better post-Palumbo on a carbohydrate based diet, Tony Freeman seems to be his best client results-wise but even he could be better on a carbohydrate-based diet imo, he almost always looks a bit flat


Let's hear your top 5 people 8)

I'm very curious if there are people here that are more "in the know", people that have worked with 1 of them or know of their methods more in detail, especially the drug part.

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Re: PRO-Guru's: give your top 5 of the 5 best known guru's + why?
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2012, 05:16:34 AM »
Why?

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Re: PRO-Guru's: give your top 5 of the 5 best known guru's
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2013, 08:40:20 PM »
1--the majoriity of these clowns have an Internet education, no fundamental knowledge of peptides, side effects of 'chemicals', and little to no understanding of nutrition.
2--Hany Rambod "dropped out of medical school" to become a prep coach. Right-- please!! He supposedly spent time in a neuroscience laboratory @ UCSB... Can you say laboratory technician boys and girls???
He probably never got into medical school, and the only research he did was washing beakers and flasks in a lab.
3--any success that they have had has been through shear luck-- more is better than less!!

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Re: PRO-Guru's: give your top 5 of the 5 best known guru's
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2013, 08:42:19 PM »
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Re: PRO-Guru's: give your top 5 of the 5 best known guru's
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2013, 09:54:36 PM »
1--the majoriity of these clowns have an Internet education, no fundamental knowledge of peptides, side effects of 'chemicals', and little to no understanding of nutrition.
2--Hany Rambod "dropped out of medical school" to become a prep coach. Right-- please!! He supposedly spent time in a neuroscience laboratory @ UCSB... Can you say laboratory technician boys and girls???
He probably never got into medical school, and the only research he did was washing beakers and flasks in a lab.
3--any success that they have had has been through shear luck-- more is better than less!!

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Id disagree with #1 in regards to Aceto.

and who cares about peptides if you have actual, real GH... aside from igf/igf1des the rest are a waste of money.

8/10 of Farah's clients say he tells them to use less.

Chad Nicholls is mystery to me still.. far as I know his money maker was diruetics.


... as for the OP, i'd add Pouliquin

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Re: PRO-Guru's: give your top 5 of the 5 best known guru's
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2013, 12:16:06 AM »
Milos the mad doctor is the only trainer who made his clients improved drasticaly.

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Re: PRO-Guru's: give your top 5 of the 5 best known guru's
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2013, 12:28:06 AM »
1--the majoriity of these clowns have an Internet education, no fundamental knowledge of peptides, side effects of 'chemicals', and little to no understanding of nutrition.
2--Hany Rambod "dropped out of medical school" to become a prep coach. Right-- please!! He supposedly spent time in a neuroscience laboratory @ UCSB... Can you say laboratory technician boys and girls???
He probably never got into medical school, and the only research he did was washing beakers and flasks in a lab.
3--any success that they have had has been through shear luck-- more is better than less!!

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his bio is odd.  i think he went to north cal but tries to sell he graduated from cal santa barbara.  he never did any grad work.  anyway, just more guru bullshit. 

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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2013, 12:46:09 AM »
Id disagree with #1 in regards to Aceto.

and who cares about peptides if you have actual, real GH... aside from igf/igf1des the rest are a waste of money.

8/10 of Farah's clients say he tells them to use less.

Chad Nicholls is mystery to me still.. far as I know his money maker was diruetics.


... as for the OP, i'd add Pouliquin

Agreed about Poliquin! Brilliant guy!

Regarding peptides, the Doc means any peptide hormone, which is a class of hormones including insulin, growth, IGF, etc....as compared to steroid hormones. 2 different classes of hormones.

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Re: PRO-Guru's: give your top 5 of the 5 best known guru's
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2013, 12:50:51 AM »
Dennis James and Chris Cormeir should be on there.  Especially considering Ramy's great showing....I always thought DJ came across as one of the most knowledgeable pros.

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Re: PRO-Guru's: give your top 5 of the 5 best known guru's
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2013, 01:07:15 AM »
Milos the mad doctor is the only trainer who made his clients improved drasticaly.

Was he graduate from Dr.Joseph Mengele school, or Joe Weiders Research Institute  ???

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Re: PRO-Guru's: give your top 5 of the 5 best known guru's
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2013, 01:11:47 AM »
Coach

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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2013, 02:27:39 AM »
Agreed about Poliquin! Brilliant guy!


Poliquin is the biggest scammer and liar I've seen on the net. Full of shit.

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Re: PRO-Guru's: give your top 5 of the 5 best known guru's
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2013, 02:32:27 AM »

1) Chris Aceto: almost everyone seems to agree he is the best one, and I also think so, both from his results + what I've read from his approach, so not much to add here, apparently doesn't do the drug-strategy (or at least claims not to publicly)

2) George Farah: seems to consistently get good results, uses a sane dietary approach with plenty of carbohydrates, an annoying bullshitter but get's the job done, everyone knows about the DNP-rumours but never heard of actual confirmation on this from clients

3) Chad Nicholls: despite his well known successes with Ronnie and Flex, he seems to have more failures than the above 2, that's the reason I put him in third, lack of consistency

4) Hany Rambod: again, despite great successes with Phil and Jay, he seems to have a lot of clients that were "off", especially lately, was once the flavor of the day but he's dropping down fast, is rumored to be the one letting his clients use the biggest doses out of these 5 guru's

5) Dave Palumbo: uses a ketogenic diet which I'm not a fan of at all, imo as a result of his keto-approach, I've yet to see good showings of clients of his, Centopani for instance looked much better post-Palumbo on a carbohydrate based diet, Tony Freeman seems to be his best client results-wise but even he could be better on a carbohydrate-based diet imo, he almost always looks a bit flat


Let's hear your top 5 people 8)

I'm very curious if there are people here that are more "in the know", people that have worked with 1 of them or know of their methods more in detail, especially the drug part.
bro u trying to sell mirror to blind crowd here.99.9% of these getbig ass clowns will never reach at the level where they actually need guru to dial them in for the pro show.i agree with ur 1234 but i dont think dave plumbo should be in that list.only reason i would put george farah over Chris Aceto because aceto is not hormone specialist he is more like nutritionist.george farah cover both areas but if i compare their finish products Aceto has an edge over farah.

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Re: PRO-Guru's: give your top 5 of the 5 best known guru's
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2013, 07:02:50 AM »
1) Duchaine goes in.

2) Milos goes in.

3) Brian Batcheldor is one of those quiet guys that is very well thought out.

4) Louie Simmons goes in, not because I agree with everything he says, but because he gets people thinking and talking.

5) Pat Arnold.

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6) Lyle McDonald. He's the common man's guru. If you're a regular person just looking for fitness and diet advice that is well thought out, you can do a whole lot worse than his advice.


Poliquin is a special case, ten years ago he would've made my list. Now he get my respect, but with some cavets. There are two different Poliquins. the one from years ago or the one you get when you're a special client, and the one you get now usually. Now, he will still throws out a gold nugget as far as training advice goes, but you've got to dig through a lot of poop to get it.

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Re: PRO-Guru's: give your top 5 of the 5 best known guru's
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2013, 07:32:30 AM »
why isnt charles glass on anyones list

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Re: PRO-Guru's: give your top 5 of the 5 best known guru's
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2013, 11:04:31 AM »
King Kamali should be added in list ;)

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Re: PRO-Guru's: give your top 5 of the 5 best known guru's
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2013, 11:07:47 AM »
Poliquin is the biggest scammer and liar I've seen on the net. Full of shit.

Holy shit...why???

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Re: PRO-Guru's: give your top 5 of the 5 best known guru's
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2013, 11:12:09 AM »
True Adonis and Johnny Falcon but I'm not sure what order.

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Re: PRO-Guru's: give your top 5 of the 5 best known guru's
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2013, 11:31:45 AM »
Holy shit...why???

Read some of his articles from the past few years. Like BB said he wrote some good stuff initially
but something happened.

BB has a good list. Reminds me of what Duchaine said about The Chad 13 years ago. I think this applies to the guru thing even today. I think Duchaine was very interesting, too bad he didn't live longer.

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Sandwich: Chad Nichols…

Duchaine: (interrupts) Ahh, Chad Nichols…

Sandwich: He seems to be the number one contest prep guru for the top bodybuilders. And for those readers who do not know what a prep guru does, or, in this case, what Chad does, please tell us what this means. You were a very famous prep guru at one time, too.

Duchaine: A contest "coach" is being the babysitter of a 250 lbs. baby. Its that simple. You are almost holding their hand. Most of the advice is three words: "don’t do that." (chuckles) They will call you up and ask for your approval of the wackiest shit in the world! "I really think I need the cheesecake now!" "Don’t do that." That’s all he does! "And give me my three thousand dollars now." That’s all Chad does. He says, "don’t do that," "don’t eat," "eat now." Oh yeah, I’ve seen some of his contestants, and he’s done some pretty wacky stuff, and really stupid stuff, like fruit carb-ups. Fruit carb-ups so bad they are shitting out green from too many bananas!

Personally I would love to quiz Batcheldor on drugs.

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Re: PRO-Guru's: give your top 5 of the 5 best known guru's
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2013, 11:36:32 AM »
Who was the guy who told Trey Brewer to size down his legs?

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Re: PRO-Guru's: give your top 5 of the 5 best known guru's
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2013, 11:38:39 AM »
MemberX gave Jay Cutler some good arm training advices when he posted here, if Jay had followed them maybe the Olympia turns out different last year who knows.

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Re: PRO-Guru's: give your top 5 of the 5 best known guru's
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2013, 11:46:09 AM »
In my oppinion, the best "guru" (I hate this term) out there is our very own Disgusted. This man knows his stuff and understands not only nutrition, the human body and drugs, but also how to create the "illusion". I wish more pro's would work with him. I might be a little biased since he helped me with my latest transformation.

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Re: PRO-Guru's: give your top 5 of the 5 best known guru's
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2013, 12:56:47 PM »
Holy shit...why???

There's an old saying in the bodybuilding magazine business that goes something like this in terms of gurudom -

"You write about getting bigger, leaner, or stronger or you don't do the article".

Poliquin made his bones writing strictly about training more or less, and that's his strength. He'd throw out a little nutritional stuff here and there, but it was pretty standard stuff. The thing is that there really isn't that much to write about after a certain point. You wind up trying to sell the same reworded bicep article 57 times :).

As he got more popular, he needed more things to cement his guru status, so he got into the supplement and nutrition game, along with some mysticism. That is where the real money is made in fitness. As he got more into that end of the business you got into less and less quality out put and more of the snake oil type pitches, some I remember were -

How he gained #15 - 20 in couple of weeks just eating natural mangos and grass fed beef.

How changing the filings in his teeth added pounds to his total.

How you should eat according to which element type he tested you as.

How Vit. c transfusions brought him down to 5% - 6% bodyfat.

All types of other weird shit.

If you're a real sportsman paying him, my understanding is that you get much more realistic advice. But if you're a goofy wanna be, prepare to have your wallet raped.

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Re: PRO-Guru's: give your top 5 of the 5 best known guru's
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2013, 01:05:54 PM »
1. True Adonis

2. Musclecenter

3. Wavelength

4. Layne Norton

5. Jason Genova

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Re: PRO-Guru's: give your top 5 of the 5 best known guru's
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2013, 01:07:57 PM »
1--the majoriity of these clowns have an Internet education, no fundamental knowledge of peptides, side effects of 'chemicals', and little to no understanding of nutrition.
2--Hany Rambod "dropped out of medical school" to become a prep coach. Right-- please!! He supposedly spent time in a neuroscience laboratory @ UCSB... Can you say laboratory technician boys and girls???
He probably never got into medical school, and the only research he did was washing beakers and flasks in a lab.
3--any success that they have had has been through shear luck-- more is better than less!!

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