Four firefighters shot in NY

[NarcissisticDeity]

anyone can write anything on a piece of paper... and make statistics...
I know you are a very intelligent fellow..... but surely you know the powers that be doctor staistics how they please....

Plugged in and programmed people
.... wake up ND the matrix has you....

That's gun related I'm just talking about violence , your country bans guns the violence rate sky rocketed and that's from a UK source 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html

[NarcissisticDeity]

youll find that the dailymail is considered a terrible shitty truth twisting source by ppl iin the uk.

its a populist boulevard paper of the highest order

While I don't disagree with that consider their source which is listed

[mesmorph78]

That's gun related I'm just talking about violence , your country bans guns the violence rate sky rocketed and that's from a UK source 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html

ND we can do this all day long.... charts mean nothing to me.... im just posting them to show you anyone can make a chart to favour their opinion....




have you ever been to the uk ND?

[arce1988]

  More Guns = More $

[BB]

ND we can do this all day long.... charts mean nothing to me.... im just posting them to show you anyone can make a chart to favour their opinion....




have you ever been to the uk ND?

This chart would be scary, till you figure that the US has 5 x the population of Britain. 300, 000, 000 vs. 60,000,000.

[mesmorph78]

chart for 2008 homicides




chart for homicides 2010
we can do this dumb shit all day ND....

For the record I can see your side and point of argument, but also, its quite apparent something needs to be done...
IMO (not fact) I think 90% are scared as hell without guns....
But i appreciate Ive visited the states I dont live there... you do so i do take on board what you say to an extent.
hopefully some middle ground is reached
respect meso

[cephissus]

lol i love that chart mes posted... the US with its SKYROCKETING gun homicide rate!  an amazing, astounding... uh... 3!!!! deaths per 100,000!

and e-kul thinks we're all quaking in our boots with fear, lololol

[mesmorph78]

This chart would be scary, till you figure that the US has 5 x the population of Britain. 300, 000, 000 vs. 60,000,000.

guy.. i posted the chart to make i point ... charts means zilch i dont give a shit what it says.....
ive lived in the uk for a good while never carried a pen knife....  never been mugged or even looked cross way at, i walk anywere any time of night... or morning not even a pen in my pocket....Ive lived in Jamaica never carried even a pen knife....
so fuck the charts is what i say in a lteral sense, ND makes more sense in his actual arguments VS posted up some formulated chart....
thats what I'm saying

[BB]

That is fine, and if you polled Americans, you'd get similar results. The US is a very safe country overall. Foreigners like to make a big deal out of school shootings, mass murders, etc...... but they are a tiny part of total crime in the US.

The major stats for gun crime, excluding domestic violence, in the US come from two factors -

1) A wide spread gang culture here.

and

2) Drug trade violence.

Take those two things out of the picture, and our numbers shrink dramatically.

[Soul Crusher]

This guy was a murderer out on parole who killed his grandmother w a hammer an living w his mother and sister.   

Talk about freakig nuts. 

[mesmorph78]

That is fine, and if you polled Americans, you'd get similar results. The US is a very safe country overall. Foreigners like to make a big deal out of school shootings, mass murders, etc...... but they are a tiny part of total crime in the US.

The major stats for gun crime, excluding domestic violence, in the US come from two factors -

1) A wide spread gang culture here.

and

2) Drug trade violence.

Take those two things out of the picture, and our numbers shrink dramatically.

I agree Ive been to America I felt safe.....there is good and bad everywhere... avoiding the bad is the key

[che]

Most Americans are bunch of pussies .

[Roger Bacon]

How many innocent people have to die for you to change your mind?

Is there a threshold?

What if two hundred thousand children died tomorrow? Would that do it for you?

These were firefighters. Have some fucking respect.

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

[Roger Bacon]

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20203888/ns/us_news-life/t/study-murder-victims-disproportionately-black/#.UNi5c4njkzJ

We clearly need to ban black people (except Parker and Wiggins).

[Bevo]

We clearly need to ban black people (except Parker and Wiggins).

No exception they are banned too! 

[Dr.J]

Rochester is one of the worst cities in America.....Complete shit hole!!!

[Dr.J]

I agree Ive been to America I felt safe.....there is good and bad everywhere... avoiding the bad is the key
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Yes....avoid rocheser at all cost

[Nomad]

chart for 2008 homicides




chart for homicides 2010
we can do this dumb shit all day ND....

For the record I can see your side and point of argument, but also, its quite apparent something needs to be done...
IMO (not fact) I think 90% are scared as hell without guns....
But i appreciate Ive visited the states I dont live there... you do so i do take on board what you say to an extent.
hopefully some middle ground is reached
respect meso

how about we factor out the crimes committed by certain minoritie(s) and then take a look at the graphs again.

[Dr.J]

Rochester is ghetto.

X10

[Bevo]

Rochester is one of the worst cities in America.....Complete shit hole!!!

Isn't it the same area where farah said he got shot but somehow survived, bragged to be an officer, and got caught? 

[Alex23]

Sounds like cocks have been moved in this thread...

[pluck]

This guy was a murderer out on parole who killed his grandmother w a hammer an living w his mother and sister.   

Talk about freakig nuts. 

STOP POINTING OUT FACTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You mean a convicted murderer who was on parole and MURDERED again SHOCKING!~!!!!!!!!!!!

[Radical Plato]

Most Americans are bunch of pussies .

That's why they all have guns!

[f450]

I understand the need for firearms, beyond just hunting and protections from criminals. You must also have them to be able to fight back against the government, if need be. You all are in denial if you think that America is immune to a revolution. Countless revolutions have shaped Europe, and the rest of the world for that matter. Eventually, this country will need to have the reset button pushed, and without arms, it will not be possible. Flame away.

I keep hearing this stupid shit about the population needing guns to fight the government. guy, have you seen the american military? What the fuck are your guns going to do when the jets and tanks come out. That argument is dead in the water.

[Nomad]

I keep hearing this stupid shit about the population needing guns to fight the government. guy, have you seen the american military? What the fuck are your guns going to do when the jets and tanks come out. That argument is dead in the water.

And who si going to order the military to come out and attack the civilian population? The president?!

Ahahahaha....everyone in the military swears an oath to defend and protect the constitution so the military is never ever going to start bombing civilians because some wahooo told them so.