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Dorian training chest shoulders and triceps BFTO96
« on: February 22, 2013, 06:03:00 PM »
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Re: Dorian training chest shoulders and triceps BFTO96
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2013, 02:02:52 AM »
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Re: Dorian training chest shoulders and triceps BFTO96
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2013, 03:29:30 AM »
Focused on every squeeze, not just moving weights like most do.

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Re: Dorian training chest shoulders and triceps BFTO96
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2013, 04:57:02 AM »
Focused on every squeeze, not just moving weights like most do.
I used to love to read all of his training articles. I have been doing a HIT style training routine for yrs now, inspired by Yates. Great results, no injuries

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Re: Dorian training chest shoulders and triceps BFTO96
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2013, 05:07:21 AM »
I used to love to read all of his training articles. I have been doing a HIT style training routine for yrs now, inspired by Yates. Great results, no injuries

He's inspiring in many ways: his training vids, articles & seminars. I've always trained with average to low volume, but going to failure every(!) workout doesn't work for me; too much pain in the joints and a tired CNS. I rely on heavy-average days, call it periodisation.

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Re: Dorian training chest shoulders and triceps BFTO96
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2013, 05:16:49 AM »
so....

anterior dumbel raise

chest press machine

chest fly machine

cable fly

shoulder press machine

lateral dumbel raise

lateral cable raise

shrug machine


cable tricep push down

machine tricep extension

french curl



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Re: Dorian training chest shoulders and triceps BFTO96
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2013, 05:25:36 AM »
I agree about CNS. I can overdo it some times but my joints are great. Been lifting 17yrs too

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Re: Dorian training chest shoulders and triceps BFTO96
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2013, 05:28:49 AM »
dorian locks out on pressing movements, what about the theory quality reps mean no locking out?

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Re: Dorian training chest shoulders and triceps BFTO96
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2013, 05:34:50 AM »
dorian locks out on pressing movements, what about the theory quality reps mean no locking out?
Maximum contraction at the end of a rep requires a lockout

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Re: Dorian training chest shoulders and triceps BFTO96
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2013, 05:35:52 AM »
Maximum contraction at the end of a rep requires a lockout
interesting

does this mean he contracts really hard when locked out?

would hurt my elbow couse hyper extension

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Re: Dorian training chest shoulders and triceps BFTO96
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2013, 07:30:34 AM »
Maximum contraction at the end of a rep requires a lockout


the secret is not overdoing the lockout like some people do when lifting

generally joints are made for full contractions of the muscles around

if humans jump or push or trow things they allways lock out

has been like this for million of years, and i don t see a problem for the health of the joints if done correctly

btw i see a problem if bodybuilder do just partial reps in the gym and then have to do some real athletic activities
for those people severe injuries are around the corner


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Re: Dorian training chest shoulders and triceps BFTO96
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2013, 07:41:04 AM »
My CNS always gets way overdone trying to workout like he does... 4 weeks in and I feel like death.

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Re: Dorian training chest shoulders and triceps BFTO96
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2013, 08:07:06 AM »

the secret is not overdoing the lockout like some people do when lifting

generally joints are made for full contractions of the muscles around

if humans jump or push or trow things they allways lock out

has been like this for million of years, and i don t see a problem for the health of the joints if done correctly

btw i see a problem if bodybuilder do just partial reps in the gym and the have to do some real athletic activities
for those people severe injuries are around the corner


Of course. For me personally, I have to go easy on the lockout working tris. I have really long arms and with my hands close together on pushdowns, it seems like the risk for hyperextension is greater. I dont see any problems locking out on chest or shoulders and I always push to use heavier weights and have no joint issues whatsoever

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Re: Dorian training chest shoulders and triceps BFTO96
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2013, 08:15:37 AM »
My CNS always gets way overdone trying to workout like he does... 4 weeks in and I feel like death.


that s the usual problem of HIT-trainers
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increase the stress slowly (don t do forced reps from the beginning for example then just start with forced reps, rest pause and so on with 1 exercise and increase slowly) in other words be patient
2
listen to your body and
- do a additional rest day if you feel not ready to train ( an ths means that it s almost certain that doing every muscle every seven days or twice a weak or the usuall mathematic things people are doing religiously, is NOT the optimum)

- stop working out if you feel done but have not complete the whole workout you were aiming for , sometimes for example it s better to stop after the 3rd exercise instead of doing the 4th like planned

- reps have to be done in a controlled manner with means slower, and doing them slower means to do less reps, because it s not abot the numer of reps its about the time and the tension, tension depends on weight , and again, if you go slower you have to do less reps to go heavy
+ to many reps exhaust the body to much, while they dont stimulate growth as effective as 4-7 rep range going slow and heavy

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Re: Dorian training chest shoulders and triceps BFTO96
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2013, 08:21:35 AM »
Basically a carb depletion workout hence the sub max sets and lots of machines.

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Re: Dorian training chest shoulders and triceps BFTO96
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2013, 08:24:00 AM »
Bloofy. Wouldn't even place top 6 nowadays.


























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Re: Dorian training chest shoulders and triceps BFTO96
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2013, 08:29:37 AM »

that s the usual problem of HIT-trainers
1
increase the stress slowly (don t do forced reps from the beginning for example then just start with forced reps, rest pause and so on with 1 exercise and increase slowly) in other words be patient
2
listen to your body and
- do a additional rest day if you feel not ready to train ( an ths means that it s almost certain that doing every muscle every seven days or twice a weak or the usuall mathematic things people are doing religiously, is NOT the optimum)

- stop working out if you feel done but have not complete the whole workout you were aiming for , sometimes for example it s better to stop after the 3rd exercise instead of doing the 4th like planned

- reps have to be done in a controlled manner with means slower, and doing them slower means to do less reps, because it s not abot the numer of reps its about the time and the tension, tension depends on weight , and again, if you go slower you have to do less reps to go heavy
+ to many reps exhaust the body to much, while they dont stimulate growth as effective as 4-7 rep range going slow and heavy
I dont do negatives. take my sets all-out and that's it. I will get my overload by getting stronger every week not by getting assisted lifts. Maybe that's why I dont really see all this "taxed CNS" everyone brings up

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Re: Dorian training chest shoulders and triceps BFTO96
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2013, 08:33:45 AM »
Bloofy. Wouldn't even place top 6 nowadays.


























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Re: Dorian training chest shoulders and triceps BFTO96
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2013, 08:41:32 AM »
Basically a carb depletion workout hence the sub max sets and lots of machines.

exactly

he only worked out like this 3-5 days out

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Re: Dorian training chest shoulders and triceps BFTO96
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2013, 08:45:12 AM »
The Goat, everyone else = site injections.

anyone elese see that todays bodybuilders like heath often lack size of the quadriceps while the thighs are big, but the size is not in the quadrizeps

als big adductors and big asses like a fat woman

the biggest part of dorians legs were pretty much  the quadrizeps like it should be
without overpowering ass and inner thighs

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Re: Dorian training chest shoulders and triceps BFTO96
« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2013, 08:48:27 AM »
I dont do negatives. take my sets all-out and that's it. I will get my overload by getting stronger every week not by getting assisted lifts. Maybe that's why I dont really see all this "taxed CNS" everyone brings up

yes, thats a good way to go

forced reps i feel weaken me and are not effectiv at all
i don t even see the theorie behind this " let your partner do the work" reps

instead i of those i  use rest pause reps to increase intensity and sometimes do some partial rpes to extend the set

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Re: Dorian training chest shoulders and triceps BFTO96
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2013, 09:10:37 AM »
anyone elese see that todays bodybuilders like heath often lack size of the quadriceps while the thighs are big, but the size is not in the quadrizeps

als big adductors and big asses like a fat woman

the biggest part of dorians legs were pretty much  the quadrizeps like it should be
without overpowering ass and inner thighs
I know exactly what you mean, perfect example was Kamali, huge legs but small quads per se.

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Re: Dorian training chest shoulders and triceps BFTO96
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2013, 09:12:14 AM »
I know exactly what you mean, perfect example was Kamali, huge legs but small quads per se.

yes !

kamali good example or gustavo badell

exception today is maybe just dennis wolf

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Re: Dorian training chest shoulders and triceps BFTO96
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2013, 09:13:42 AM »
I know exactly what you mean, perfect example was Kamali, huge legs but small quads per se.
excellent quads here


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Re: Dorian training chest shoulders and triceps BFTO96
« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2013, 09:33:08 AM »
excellent quads here



Outsweep is good, but he needs more thickness on the inner part