PIP Margerat Thatcher

[leonp1981]

I've got no feeling on her passing, but the folks thinking she did more good than bad need to look a little further north than London.  She destroyed the solid manufacturing base we had in the UK.  We led the world in shipbuilding, using UK sourced steel.  We had iron mines all across the north of England supporting entire towns and villages.  And she shut them down. 

Go to the north-east, go to the Yorkshire pit villages, and see the affect she had on them.  Whole towns and villages ruined, because everyone worked at the pit, and now it's gone.  There's people over here who haven't been able to get a job since.  I'm sure some of you will say they should have retrained, moved home, got a job elsewhere.  Not so easy when your whole life was working in the mines, or the steel industry, or shipbuilding.  Suddenly there's 5000 of you, all with the same skillset, fighting for jobs that don't exist.  So you retrain, and have to compete with 1000 people for a single job position.  Or you move your whole family across the world because the only place your skills are worth anything is in the developing world.

What else?  Privatisation.  Things might not have worked perfectly when they were state-run, but give them away to big corporations and what do you get instead?  Monopolies.  And the public got screwed again, because they whacked the prices up to protect their investors. 

She did kick ass in the Falkland's though, so credit to her for that.  And some of her other policies were sound in theory. 

Tories in the South might have loved her, but for me, Thatcher's legacy in the north of England is desolation.  And the repercussions of it will last for a long time.

[tommywishbone]

I was trying to find a really young pic of her so I could say I would hit that when it was 25- but this is the best I could find. 

[Tapeworm]

Looks baked as a potato.

[Conker]

I've got no feeling on her passing, but the folks thinking she did more good than bad need to look a little further north than London.  She destroyed the solid manufacturing base we had in the UK.  We led the world in shipbuilding, using UK sourced steel.  We had iron mines all across the north of England supporting entire towns and villages.  And she shut them down. 

Go to the north-east, go to the Yorkshire pit villages, and see the affect she had on them.  Whole towns and villages ruined, because everyone worked at the pit, and now it's gone.  There's people over here who haven't been able to get a job since.  I'm sure some of you will say they should have retrained, moved home, got a job elsewhere.  Not so easy when your whole life was working in the mines, or the steel industry, or shipbuilding.  Suddenly there's 5000 of you, all with the same skillset, fighting for jobs that don't exist.  So you retrain, and have to compete with 1000 people for a single job position.  Or you move your whole family across the world because the only place your skills are worth anything is in the developing world.

What else?  Privatisation.  Things might not have worked perfectly when they were state-run, but give them away to big corporations and what do you get instead?  Monopolies.  And the public got screwed again, because they whacked the prices up to protect their investors. 

She did kick ass in the Falkland's though, so credit to her for that.  And some of her other policies were sound in theory. 

Tories in the South might have loved her, but for me, Thatcher's legacy in the north of England is desolation.  And the repercussions of it will last for a long time.

The fact is the "solid manufacturing base" you talk of was industries that were losing money and the rest of UK was subsidising, it's a false economy trying to keep people in non productive jobs just for the sake of them being in employment, it cannot go on indefinitely.

Had those industries been viable they would have at the very least been privatised but no private investor would touch them with a barge pole.

If the unions had not been so out of control, making ridiculous demands and getting their members to down tools at the drop of a hat, every 5 minutes, perhaps those industries may have had more chance of being productive.

[Donny]

Looks baked as a potato.

lol...nah i like potatoes...

[honest]

Bottom line is if your of low IQ lazy, and feel entitled to something for nothing in your pleb life you didnt like her.

If you on the other hand are the hardworking type whos willing to have a go in life and dont feel the world owes you anything Maggies Britain was for you.

Sadly the world is now overrun with populists speech makers like Obama who print money to feed people who feel a sense of entitlment just for being born, this type of politics and policy is drowing our western economies in lowly educated scum. Hopefully when the muslims are the majority in Europe they will revoke this welfare state and turn it around but I doubt it, but one things for sure, the day of reckoning for every western nation is coming in the next 30 years as welfare and healthcare for unemployed non tax contributing people destroys and bankrupts our nations, look to Asia non welfare capitalist sytems is where you want to be not paying taxes for pleb filth that just breeds for cheques in the west, proping up scum like Obama and his failed economic plans.

[jodsy]

the country would not be the state it is now if she had remained in power

[dr.chimps]

Interesting to see all the conservatives affect a knowledge of Britain to shoehorn their ideology into a Thatcher thread.          

[gee38]

ok a few points about the poisionous old slag


1. She supported the retention of capital punishment
2. She destroyed the country's manufacturing industry
3. She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws
4. She abolished free milk for schoolchildren ("Margaret Thatcher, Milk Snatcher")
5. She supported more freedom for business (and look how that turned out)
6. She gained support from the National Front in the 1979 election by pandering to the fears of immigration
7. She gerrymandered local authorities by forcing through council house sales, at the same time preventing councils from spending the money they got for selling houses on building new houses (spending on social housing dropped by 67% in her premiership)
8. She was responsible for 3.6 million unemployed - the highest figure and the highest proportion of the workforce in history and three times the previous government. Massaging of the figures means that the figure was closer to 5 million
9. She ignored intelligence about Argentinian preparations for the invasion of the Falkland Islands and scrapped the only Royal Navy presence in the islands
10. The poll tax
11. She presided over the closure of 150 coal mines; we are now crippled by the cost of energy, having to import expensive coal from abroad
12. She compared her "fight" against the miners to the Falklands War
13. She privatised state monopolies and created the corporate greed culture that we've been railing against for the last 5 years
14. She introduced the gradual privatisation of the NHS
15. She introduced financial deregulation in a way that turned city institutions into avaricious money pits
16. She pioneered the unfailing adoration and unquestioning support of the USA
17. She allowed the US to place nuclear missiles on UK soil, under US control
18. Section 28
19. She opposed anti-apartheid sanctions against South Africa and described Nelson Mandela as "that grubby little terrorist"
20. She support the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and sent the SAS to train their soldiers
21. She allowed the US to bomb Libya in 1986, against the wishes of more than 2/3 of the population
22. She opposed the reunification of Germany
23. She invented Quangos
24. She increased VAT from 8% to 17.5%
25. She had the lowest approval rating of any post-war Prime Minister
26. Her post-PM job? Consultant to Philip Morris tobacco at $250,000 a year, plus $50,000 per speech
27. The Al Yamamah contract
28. She opposed the indictment of Chile's General Pinochet
29. Social unrest under her leadership was higher than at any time since the General Strike
30. She presided over interest rates increasing to 15%
31. BSE
32. She presided over 2 million manufacturing job losses in the 79-81 recession
33. She opposed the inclusion of Eire in the Northern Ireland peace process
34. She supported sanctions-busting arms deals with South Africa
35. Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer, Jonathan Aitkin
36. Crime rates doubled under Thatcher
37. Black Wednesday – Britain withdraws from the ERM and the pound is devalued. Cost to Britain - £3.5 billion; profit for George Soros - £1 billion - although after her remit the policies in place allowed soros to benefit
38. Poverty doubled while she opposed a minimum wage
39. She privatised public services, claiming at the time it would increase public ownership. Most are now owned either by foreign governments (EDF) or major investment houses. The profits don’t now accrue to the taxpayer, but to foreign or institutional shareholders.
40. She cut 75% of funding to museums, galleries and other sources of education
41. In the Thatcher years the top 10% of earners received almost 50% of the tax remissions
42. 21.9% inflation

[dr.chimps]

43: final nail: poll tax fiasco

[Soul Crusher]

No wonder Europe is in such a mess.  Look at these fools trashing her.   njoy being taken over muslims and perpetual economic misery fools.

[gee38]

instead we are taken over by poles

a policy thatcher kicked off

cheers maggie


she was happy to sell weapons to saddam. and to support pincohet. horrific slag of a bitch.

[deviant]

43: final nail: poll tax fiasco

The Poll Tax was fair....more people in a house generally use more local services, why shouldnt they pay more?

The system as stands now is that a single individual in one house pays more than the family next door because his house is worth more....there has got to be a better way of working out local tax.

[Donny]

No wonder Europe is in such a mess.  Look at these fools trashing her.   njoy being taken over muslims and perpetual economic misery fools.

you're the fucking fool

[deviant]

2. She destroyed the country's manufacturing industry

No, this is a myth.

Manufacturing under Thatcher went from 25.8% of the economy to 22.5% when she left power.
Under Labour manufacturing accounted for just over 20% of the economy in 1997 when Blair came to power and was reduced to 12.4% under Blair/Brown.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8c257da6-dfab-11de-98ca-00144feab49a.html#axzz2PxNaYj2O

Labour trashed manufacturing not Thatcher.

[Irongrip400]

[quote author=shootfighter1 link=topic=466310.msg6713187#msg6713187 date=1365470869
 US and UK...the most important trait I have learned in life (coming from an absolutely middle class average family to becoming a doctor) is to work harder than others and always try to grow personally and professionally, not to settle for mediocracy...ideas that are not held in high esteem in a socialist mindset.  I absolutely believe people that who work hard, create and take advantage of opportunities should be able to do better (and not be taxed half their income).  I also believe government has a responsibility to keep the playing field as even as possible without picking winners and loosers.
[/quote]

This is true. Hard work makes luck. I was not privileged as a child, neither was my wife, but through hard work, made a great life. It's all about choices. Make the right ones, and most of the time you end up good. 

[honest]

No wonder Europe is in such a mess.  Look at these fools trashing her.   njoy being taken over muslims and perpetual economic misery fools.

dumb welfare recieving plebs every last one of them.

[Donny]

ok a few points about the poisionous old slag


1. She supported the retention of capital punishment
2. She destroyed the country's manufacturing industry
3. She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws
4. She abolished free milk for schoolchildren ("Margaret Thatcher, Milk Snatcher")
5. She supported more freedom for business (and look how that turned out)
6. She gained support from the National Front in the 1979 election by pandering to the fears of immigration
7. She gerrymandered local authorities by forcing through council house sales, at the same time preventing councils from spending the money they got for selling houses on building new houses (spending on social housing dropped by 67% in her premiership)
8. She was responsible for 3.6 million unemployed - the highest figure and the highest proportion of the workforce in history and three times the previous government. Massaging of the figures means that the figure was closer to 5 million
9. She ignored intelligence about Argentinian preparations for the invasion of the Falkland Islands and scrapped the only Royal Navy presence in the islands
10. The poll tax
11. She presided over the closure of 150 coal mines; we are now crippled by the cost of energy, having to import expensive coal from abroad
12. She compared her "fight" against the miners to the Falklands War
13. She privatised state monopolies and created the corporate greed culture that we've been railing against for the last 5 years
14. She introduced the gradual privatisation of the NHS
15. She introduced financial deregulation in a way that turned city institutions into avaricious money pits
16. She pioneered the unfailing adoration and unquestioning support of the USA
17. She allowed the US to place nuclear missiles on UK soil, under US control
18. Section 28
19. She opposed anti-apartheid sanctions against South Africa and described Nelson Mandela as "that grubby little terrorist"
20. She support the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and sent the SAS to train their soldiers
21. She allowed the US to bomb Libya in 1986, against the wishes of more than 2/3 of the population
22. She opposed the reunification of Germany
23. She invented Quangos
24. She increased VAT from 8% to 17.5%
25. She had the lowest approval rating of any post-war Prime Minister
26. Her post-PM job? Consultant to Philip Morris tobacco at $250,000 a year, plus $50,000 per speech
27. The Al Yamamah contract
28. She opposed the indictment of Chile's General Pinochet
29. Social unrest under her leadership was higher than at any time since the General Strike
30. She presided over interest rates increasing to 15%
31. BSE
32. She presided over 2 million manufacturing job losses in the 79-81 recession
33. She opposed the inclusion of Eire in the Northern Ireland peace process
34. She supported sanctions-busting arms deals with South Africa
35. Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer, Jonathan Aitkin
36. Crime rates doubled under Thatcher
37. Black Wednesday – Britain withdraws from the ERM and the pound is devalued. Cost to Britain - £3.5 billion; profit for George Soros - £1 billion - although after her remit the policies in place allowed soros to benefit
38. Poverty doubled while she opposed a minimum wage
39. She privatised public services, claiming at the time it would increase public ownership. Most are now owned either by foreign governments (EDF) or major investment houses. The profits don’t now accrue to the taxpayer, but to foreign or institutional shareholders.
40. She cut 75% of funding to museums, galleries and other sources of education
41. In the Thatcher years the top 10% of earners received almost 50% of the tax remissions
42. 21.9% inflation

yeah great post.. some clowns on here giving their moral opinions here but they don´t really know. Always the same fucking Bull..we are all Communists and are lazy.

[Conker]

Interesting to see all the conservatives affect a knowledge of Britain to shoehorn their ideology into a Thatcher thread.          

has nothing to do with ideology. Anyone capable of taking an objective view of the UK in the 70s will testify the country was in chaos due to militant trade unions,  "the sick man of europe".

the unions were holding the country to ransom with mob rule, ever increasing ridiculous demands, threats and industrial action, sucking the life out of the taxpayer daily. 3 day weeks, rubbish piled high in the streets.

yes the good old days!

if only maggie hadn't came along and ruined everything, no doubt we would all be living in Scargill's perfect communist utopia now

[Donny]

dumb welfare recieving plebs every last one of them.

yeah and your a fucking cock

[Raymondo]

dumb welfare recieving plebs every last one of them.

I make about £40k a year at age 28, not exactly what you would call a "pleb"

And I still think that Thatcher as a whole was a disaster for this country.

[Donny]

I make about £40k a year at age 28, not exactly what you would call a "pleb"

And I still think that Thatcher as a whole was a disaster for this country.

mate they are sheep.. moral conservative BOLLOCKS. Thatchers son is a convicted felon. what a joke.

[Raymondo]

mate they are sheep.. moral conservative BOLLOCKS. Thatchers son is a convicted felon. what a joke.

I read on the beeb people were celebrating at Glasgow. I wish I was there to drink some lager and talk some bollocks

[Donny]

I read on the beeb people were celebrating at Glasgow. I wish I was there to drink some lager and talk some bollocks

back to good old Victorian Values...the poor know their place. like fuck. Cameron is another asshole.

[bigmc]

I read on the beeb people were celebrating at Glasgow. I wish I was there to drink some lager and talk some bollocks

do you accept that the trade unions were bank rupting the country

they were walking out of work over every little thing

they took us from manufacturing giant to the sick note of the world

someone had to stand up to them