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http://www.foxsportswest.com/fox-sports-networks/story/Phil-Jackson-book-MJ-more-charismatic-th?blockID=902903&feedID=3707

Perhaps Los Angeles would prefer not to be reminded of this detail, but before he was theirs, Phil Jackson belonged — in the sense that any coach can belong, at least – to Chicago. He was the Bulls coach of the storied 1990s, winning six NBA championship rings. He was Michael Jordan's coach.

Before Kobe Bryant. Before the next five championships. Before he became Jeanie Buss's boyfriend and then fiancé, thereby a member of the highest echelon of Lakers society. Before all that, he had a bigger star. He had the best.

In his new book, "Eleven Rings: The Soul of Success," which he co-wrote with Hugh Delehanty and will be available in stores on Tuesday, Jackson looks back over his career in a big way, and one of the narratives that arises is that of a comparison: MJ vs. Kobe. They were his two biggest stars, his two biggest personalities, perhaps, and Jackson will be remembered as much for them as he is for his style of coaching and success.

The Los Angeles Times, which received an advance copy of the book, wrote Thursday in detail on the Jordan-Bryant comparison, with excerpts culled from Jackson's memoir:

"Michael was more charismatic and gregarious than Kobe," Jackson writes. "He loved hanging out with his teammates and security guards, playing cards, smoking cigars, and joking around.

"Kobe is different. He was reserved as a teenager, in part because he was younger than the other players and hadn't developed strong social skills in college. When Kobe first joined the Lakers, he avoided fraternizing with his teammates. But his inclination to keep to himself shifted as he grew older. Increasingly, Kobe put more energy into getting to know the other players, especially when the team was on the road.

Some other differences Jackson notes are the differences in the two players' defensive skills and accuracy. No surprise — Jordan comes out on top.

"No question, Michael was a tougher, more intimidating defender," Jackson writes. "He could break through virtually any screen and shut down almost any player with his intense, laser-focused style of defense."

"In general, Kobe tends to rely more heavily on his flexibility and craftiness, but he takes a lot of gambles on defense and sometimes pays the price."

"Jordan was also more naturally inclined to let the game come to him and not overplay his hand, whereas Kobe tends to force the action, especially when the game isn't going his way. When his shot is off, Kobe will pound away relentlessly until his luck turns. Michael, on the other hand, would shift his attention to defense or passing or setting screens to help the team win the game."

 

And perhaps the comparison that speaks the loudest about Jordan — and may throw Kobe into a rage — is this one:

"One of the biggest differences between the two stars from my perspective was Michael's superior skills as a leader," Jackson writes. "Though at times he could be hard on his teammates, Michael was masterful at controlling the emotional climate of the team with the power of his presence. Kobe had a long way to go before he could make that claim. He talked a good game, but he'd yet to experience the cold truth of leadership in his bones, as Michael had."

The Times story also revealed a few more nuggets from the book:

* Jackson's interest in Zen picked up after he met a practicing construction worker who helped build his house in the 1970s.

* Jackson's words to Jordan after he showed up in the coach's office in 1995 hoping to return to basketball after a failed attempt at a baseball career: "Well, I think we've got a uniform here that might fit you."

* Jackson's daughter, Brooke, had been the victim of sexual assault by an athlete in college, and when the Bryant situation occurred, it "triggered all my unprocessed anger and tainted my perception of him," Jackson said.

* Jackson considers the Lakers' Game 7 victory over the Boston Celtics in the 2010 NBA Finals the most satisfying of his career.
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Poor Kobe....  :'(


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He didn't say anything anybody who has watched the game for the past 20 years or more and has 2 functioning eyes couldn't see.

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Meh

It's a fair criticism and not particularly harsh or insulting.  As a Laker fan I think it would be nice if Phil also gave Kobe the credit that he is due for being a Hall of Fame superstar that helped him win 5 rings in LA.  Drama sells books.  I'll read it.

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When Kobe retires, he will hide away and probably rarely be seen. Because if he doesn't, he's bound to say or do something really fukced up that will mess him up. MJ is out playing golf with Titans of the world and still building an empire...I could see Kobe ending up in prison someday not unlike OJ.

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MJ is the best there ever was or ever will be, so no surprises here.

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So, basically not going to college to play in his chosen sport, gave him poor socializing skills and a Green Giant size entitlement complex and ego, and that he didn't learn how to be patient and become a complete player, offensively and defensively?

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Saying Kobe wasn't a "complete player" is going a little far don't you think?  He's not as good as MJ sure but who is?  I doubt spending a year at Duke or wherever would have changed his career much.

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Saying Kobe wasn't a "complete player" is going a little far don't you think?  He's not as good as MJ sure but who is?  I doubt spending a year at Duke or wherever would have changed his career much.
He's good, but just like Phil had said, he can spend some nights being a bricklayer, instead of being a defensive foreman. He is not really a leader, he doesn't "command" respect as a leader, like Jordan did.
He seems to implode...

And maybe a 2-4 yrs with coach K at Duke he may have, but Coach K doesn't recruit players like Kobe.

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  Jordan knew when Father Time won

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would like to hear more on the part about phil jacksons daughter sleeping around with the afletlets
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No disrespect to Kobe but I'm sure even he knows Michael is still king and has successfully defended his title. Next up, KING JAMES!
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a clear signal that kobe is being amnesty'd for next year.

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No disrespect to Kobe but I'm sure even he knows Michael is still king and has successfully defended his title. Next up, KING JAMES!

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a clear signal that kobe is being amnesty'd for next year.

This. But, does Phil get back the team?

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 Jordan knew when Father Time won

he did play for the wizarsd until he was entirely average.

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People in our age range I'd have say age 30+ are lucky to watch and remember Jordan. I mean Michael Jordan, you say that anywhere on the civilized  planet, they know his name. And his shoe created the athletic shoe market we have to today, the whole fucking market! I couldn't tell you name of Kobes shoe what colors they come in or anything about them. People feared Jordan not just for his presence but his power and time after time he destroyed his competitors.
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  Yeah    the kobe Jordan shoe   :D ;D



   

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I was only a fan of basketball during the years that Michael Jordan played. Even though I rooted for the Knicks, once Jordan would come to the Garden, I had no choice but to put my money on good old 23.

Once he retired (and I mean retired, like when he stepped down from playing for the Wizards), I stopped watching Basketball all together. It's as if they started to roll the credits and I had no choice, but to walk out of the theater.

I felt as if Michael Jordan was Basketball's leading actor, the protagonist that always found a way to deliver a happy ending for the fans, regardless of what side you cheered for. He and Phil Jackson were the dream weavers of the NBA. Phil would send out a play and Michael would make it come to life in such a way that would make you want to stop, rewind and take part in the magic once more.

Long live Michael Jordan!



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I was only a fan of basketball during the years that Michael Jordan played. Even though I rooted for the Knicks, once Jordan would come to the Garden, I had no choice but to put my money on good old 23.

Once he retired (and I mean retired, like when he stepped down from playing for the Wizards), I stopped watching Basketball all together. It's as if they started to roll the credits and I had no choice, but to walk out of the theater.

I felt as if Michael Jordan was Basketball's leading actor, the protagonist that always found a way to deliver a happy ending for the fans, regardless of what side you cheered for. He and Phil Jackson were the dream weavers of the NBA. Phil would send out a play and Michael would make it come to life in such a way that would make you want to stop, rewind and take part in the magic once more.

Long live Michael Jordan!



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Well said.  He spoiled watching pro basketball for me for life, it's not the same anymore.

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Saying Kobe wasn't a "complete player" is going a little far don't you think?  He's not as good as MJ sure but who is?  I doubt spending a year at Duke or wherever would have changed his career much.

Kobe was as complete of a player as there ever was.  Scoring, rebounding, assists, defense.  He could change his game and play anyway he wanted to play and be the best player on the court.  To say that he didn't quite reach the level of MJ is not an insult.  He was really close. 

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Kobe was as complete of a player as there ever was.  Scoring, rebounding, assists, defense.  He could change his game and play anyway he wanted to play and be the best player on the court.  To say that he didn't quite reach the level of MJ is not an insult.  He was really close.  

I would say he's the closest thing to MJ that we've seen since MJ.  LeBron is a better overall player than Kobe but he's a much different kind of player than Jordan or Kobe.

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  kobe is not close to Jordan.

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If I was starting a team I would take Magic Johnson over Jordan or Kobe.