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It is really necessary to eat after training?
« on: June 04, 2013, 07:30:20 PM »
I train at night and sometimes I have a kinda big meal 3 hours before training, so I still feel somewhat full after working out. It is ok if I just go to bed without eating something, right? I mean, I'm still digesting what I ate before training, eating something wouldn't be necessary but I want to hear opinions anyway.

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Re: It is really necessary to eat after training?
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2013, 07:43:28 PM »
drink a muscle milk with ice, in that small window between ending training & falling asleep.   It'd delicious, down the hatch in 30 seconds, and will help you recover after the workout.

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Re: It is really necessary to eat after training?
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2013, 07:43:42 PM »
I train at night and sometimes I have a kinda big meal 3 hours before training, so I still feel somewhat full after working out. It is ok if I just go to bed without eating something, right? I mean, I'm still digesting what I ate before training, eating something wouldn't be necessary but I want to hear opinions anyway.

Are you juiced or natural?
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Re: It is really necessary to eat after training?
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2013, 08:04:46 PM »
PED-ing right now but I would like to hear opinions about both scenarios

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Re: It is really necessary to eat after training?
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2013, 08:18:36 PM »
I would have a protein shake and bcaas post workout. Then a gatorade or simple sugar 30 min after that. You'll feel replenished and ready for another workout. Then a full protein and carb meal an hour or so after that.  If you're natural even moreso.
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Re: It is really necessary to eat after training?
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2013, 09:04:19 PM »
drink a muscle milk with ice, in that small window between ending training & falling asleep.   It'd delicious, down the hatch in 30 seconds, and will help you recover after the workout.

Those banana muscle Milks are insanely good.

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Re: It is really necessary to eat after training?
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2013, 09:06:02 PM »
prolly not necessary depending how you eat throught the day but i tend to think better to then not

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Re: It is really necessary to eat after training?
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2013, 10:03:29 PM »


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Re: It is really necessary to eat after training?
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2013, 10:04:40 PM »
Yes, it absolutely is necessary.  Whether it's food or liquid.  There is no more important window for nourishment than post training.

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Re: It is really necessary to eat after training?
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2013, 10:33:39 PM »
Yes, it absolutely is necessary.  Whether it's food or liquid.  There is no more important window for nourishment than post training.


im not even going to bother debating such stupidity.
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Re: It is really necessary to eat after training?
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2013, 10:44:42 PM »
MM Collegiate..no one leaves the gym without one.



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Re: It is really necessary to eat after training?
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2013, 10:52:18 PM »
if your stomach is still full from eating a few hrs earlier

why would you eat again  ::)

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Re: It is really necessary to eat after training?
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2013, 10:53:02 PM »
MM Collegiate..no one leaves the gym without one.




enjoy your cheap chinese phosphate and heavy metal shake

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Re: It is really necessary to eat after training?
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2013, 10:56:28 PM »
enjoy your cheap chinese phosphate and heavy metal shake

It's a nice touch Coach, but this is true.

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Re: It is really necessary to eat after training?
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2013, 11:13:51 PM »

im not even going to bother debating such stupidity.


You absolutely belong here at getbig.  Well done, retard.

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Re: It is really necessary to eat after training?
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2013, 11:14:27 PM »
Everybody nowadays seems to shit on the old "bro-science" methods like multiple meals every few hours, from clean sources, but I've noticed that I perform at my absolute best when I follow these rules. My body just looks and feels better.

 I'm sure I could maintain by doing all the newer cookie cutter methods, but if I'm really pushing myself weekly and trying to set new PR's, consistent nutrition is mandatory for me. Otherwise I see my progress come to a halt.

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Re: It is really necessary to eat after training?
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2013, 11:20:00 PM »
there are so many theories on this it makes one's head spin

i'd either go for "instinctive approach" or consult a scientific book on sports nutrition

too much bro science out there to try  it all

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Re: It is really necessary to eat after training?
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2013, 11:22:50 PM »
enjoy your cheap chinese phosphate and heavy metal shake

No matter what's put up, its going to be criticized on here. You make it seem like we're somekind of health food freak. All I have to say is its better than walking out with nothing.

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Re: It is really necessary to eat after training?
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2013, 11:26:44 PM »
You absolutely belong here at getbig.  Well done, retard.

except he's right. it takes like three hours for food to even reach the small intestine, where like 90% of the nutrients are absorbed

"anabolic window" is BS, you'll still be digesting whatever you ate three hours ago when you down that shake and the shake itself won't even start absorbing until 3 hours later

unless you're IV'ing your protein or something

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Re: It is really necessary to eat after training?
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2013, 11:30:46 PM »
No matter what's put up, its going to be criticized on here. You make it seem like we're somekind of health food freak. All I have to say is its better than walking out with nothing.

not really

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine-archive/2010/july/food/protein-drinks/what-our-tests-found/index.htm

"We purchased 15 protein powders and drinks mainly in the New York metro area or online and tested multiple samples of each for arsenic, cadmium, lead, and mercury. The results showed a considerable range, but levels in three products were of particular concern because consuming three servings a day could result in daily exposure to arsenic, cadmium, or lead exceeding the limits proposed by USP.

We found that three daily servings of the ready-to-drink liquid EAS Myoplex Original Rich Dark Chocolate Shake provides an average of 16.9 micrograms (µg) of arsenic, exceeding the proposed USP limit of 15 µg per day, and an average of 5.1 µg of cadmium, which is just above the USP limit of 5 µg per day. Concentrations in most products were relatively low, but when taking into account the large serving size suggested, the number of micrograms per day for a few of the products was high compared with most others tested.

The samples of Muscle Milk Chocolate powder we tested contained all four heavy metals, and levels of three metals in the product were among the highest of all in our tests. Average cadmium levels of 5.6 µg in three daily servings slightly exceeded the USP limit of 5 µg per day, and the average lead level of 13.5 µg also topped the USP limit of 10 µg per day. The average arsenic level of 12.2 µg was approaching the USP limit of 15 µg per day, and the average for mercury was 0.7 µg, well below the USP's 15 µg-per-day limit. Three daily servings of Muscle Milk Vanilla Crème contained 12.2 µg of lead, exceeding lead limits, and 11.2 µg of arsenic. A fourth product, Muscle Milk Nutritional Shake Chocolate (liquid), provided an average of 14.3 µg of arsenic per day from three servings, approaching the proposed USP limit.

Cadmium raises special concern because it accumulates in and can damage the kidneys, the same organs that can be damaged by excessive protein consumption. And it can take 20 years for the body to eliminate even half the cadmium absorbed today.

"This is a highly toxic metal, and while there are some cases where decisions have to be weighed against relative risks, accepting that you have to be exposed to any cadmium at all in your protein drink after your workout is definitely not one of them," says Michael Harbut, M.D., director of the Environmental Cancer Initiative at the Karmanos Cancer Institute in Royal Oak, Mich.

"When these toxic heavy metals are combined in a product that is marketed for daily use, that raises serious public health concerns, especially for pregnant women, children, and young adults," says Burns, who has been a toxicology consultant to state and federal government agencies.

For most people, protein drinks are not the only possible source of exposure to heavy metals, but they are an easily avoidable one, since most people can meet their protein needs, help minimize exposure to contaminants, and save money by choosing the right foods.

Shellfish and organ meats such as liver can be high in cadmium, and some plant foods such as potatoes, rice, sunflower seeds, spinach, and other leafy greens can also take in significant amounts of the metal from the environment, due in large part to the use of cadmium-containing phosphate fertilizers, according to Bruce A. Fowler, a researcher at the federal Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry. Food and Drug Administration research suggests that foods such as milk, yogurt, eggs, poultry, and red meats are generally good protein sources that seem to contain little or no cadmium, lead, arsenic, or mercury. For perspective about the relative risks exposure to those metals can pose, consider the agency's list of 275 hazardous substances at toxic waste sites: Arsenic, lead, and mercury rank Nos. 1, 2, and 3, and cadmium is No. 7, based on risks to people around those sites.

Robert Wright, M.D., an associate professor at Harvard Medical School, who is conducting research on the health effects of exposure to toxic metals, says, "Small amounts of exposure are inevitable, but a product that exceeds the USP limit is clearly doing something wrong."

Being exposed simultaneously to a mixture of toxins can also potentially increase health risks, particularly when they target the same organs or systems, as some metals we detected do, according to Harbut. He says that this is the result of a synergistic effect, meaning the effects of two toxic substances together can be even greater than those of the sum of the two, and not enough research has been done to determine whether that occurs from multiple exposures to even relatively low levels of those heavy metals. "

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Re: It is really necessary to eat after training?
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2013, 11:38:41 PM »
except he's right. it takes like three hours for food to even reach the small intestine, where like 90% of the nutrients are absorbed

"anabolic window" is BS, you'll still be digesting whatever you ate three hours ago when you down that shake and the shake itself won't even start absorbing until 3 hours later

unless you're IV'ing your protein or something

So when someone has diabetes or low blood sugar and they eat or drink something and instantly feel better, it's just a placebo effect?  Because in your reality, it won't get to the small intestine for 3 hours? 

Bullshit.  Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

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Re: It is really necessary to eat after training?
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2013, 11:51:36 PM »
not really

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine-archive/2010/july/food/protein-drinks/what-our-tests-found/index.htm

"We purchased 15 protein powders and drinks mainly in the New York metro area or online and tested multiple samples of each for arsenic, cadmium, lead, and mercury. The results showed a considerable range, but levels in three products were of particular concern because consuming three servings a day could result in daily exposure to arsenic, cadmium, or lead exceeding the limits proposed by USP.

We found that three daily servings of the ready-to-drink liquid EAS Myoplex Original Rich Dark Chocolate Shake provides an average of 16.9 micrograms (µg) of arsenic, exceeding the proposed USP limit of 15 µg per day, and an average of 5.1 µg of cadmium, which is just above the USP limit of 5 µg per day. Concentrations in most products were relatively low, but when taking into account the large serving size suggested, the number of micrograms per day for a few of the products was high compared with most others tested.

The samples of Muscle Milk Chocolate powder we tested contained all four heavy metals, and levels of three metals in the product were among the highest of all in our tests. Average cadmium levels of 5.6 µg in three daily servings slightly exceeded the USP limit of 5 µg per day, and the average lead level of 13.5 µg also topped the USP limit of 10 µg per day. The average arsenic level of 12.2 µg was approaching the USP limit of 15 µg per day, and the average for mercury was 0.7 µg, well below the USP's 15 µg-per-day limit. Three daily servings of Muscle Milk Vanilla Crème contained 12.2 µg of lead, exceeding lead limits, and 11.2 µg of arsenic. A fourth product, Muscle Milk Nutritional Shake Chocolate (liquid), provided an average of 14.3 µg of arsenic per day from three servings, approaching the proposed USP limit.

Cadmium raises special concern because it accumulates in and can damage the kidneys, the same organs that can be damaged by excessive protein consumption. And it can take 20 years for the body to eliminate even half the cadmium absorbed today.

"This is a highly toxic metal, and while there are some cases where decisions have to be weighed against relative risks, accepting that you have to be exposed to any cadmium at all in your protein drink after your workout is definitely not one of them," says Michael Harbut, M.D., director of the Environmental Cancer Initiative at the Karmanos Cancer Institute in Royal Oak, Mich.

"When these toxic heavy metals are combined in a product that is marketed for daily use, that raises serious public health concerns,especially for pregnant women, children, and young adults," says Burns, who has been a toxicology consultant to state and federal government agencies.

For most people, protein drinks are not the only possible source of exposure to heavy metals, but they are an easily avoidable one, since most people can meet their protein needs, help minimize exposure to contaminants, and save money by choosing the right foods.

Shellfish and organ meats such as liver can be high in cadmium, and some plant foods such as potatoes, rice, sunflower seeds, spinach, and other leafy greens can also take in significant amounts of the metal from the environment, due in large part to the use of cadmium-containing phosphate fertilizers, according to Bruce A. Fowler, a researcher at the federal Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry. Food and Drug Administration research suggests that foods such as milk, yogurt, eggs, poultry, and red meats are generally good protein sources that seem to contain little or no cadmium, lead, arsenic, or mercury. For perspective about the relative risks exposure to those metals can pose, consider the agency's list of 275 hazardous substances at toxic waste sites: Arsenic, lead, and mercury rank Nos. 1, 2, and 3, and cadmium is No. 7, based on risks to people around those sites.

Robert Wright, M.D., an associate professor at Harvard Medical School, who is conducting research on the health effects of exposure to toxic metals, says, "Small amounts of exposure are inevitable, but a product that exceeds the USP limit is clearly doing something wrong."

Being exposed simultaneously to a mixture of toxins can also potentially increase health risks, particularly when they target the same organs or systems, as some metals we detected do, according to Harbut. He says that this is the result of a synergistic effect, meaning the effects of two toxic substances together can be even greater than those of the sum of the two, and not enough research has been done to determine whether that occurs from multiple exposures to even relatively low levels of those heavy metals. "


You'll find that in most supplements and almost any processed food product. We don't use a regular muscle milk, we use Collegiate, ratios are 2-1 carbs to protein. We have been using it for years. Also, Probably 3/4 of the Universities and pro teams, use it. If it were. That bad, I'm sure it wouldn't be used

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Re: It is really necessary to eat after training?
« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2013, 11:54:19 PM »
except he's right. it takes like three hours for food to even reach the small intestine, where like 90% of the nutrients are absorbed

"anabolic window" is BS, you'll still be digesting whatever you ate three hours ago when you down that shake and the shake itself won't even start absorbing until 3 hours later

unless you're IV'ing your protein or something

This is simply not true.

Protein can enter your bloodstream within 15 minutes of ingestion. 

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Re: It is really necessary to eat after training?
« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2013, 11:57:12 PM »
except he's right. it takes like three hours for food to even reach the small intestine, where like 90% of the nutrients are absorbed

"anabolic window" is BS, you'll still be digesting whatever you ate three hours ago when you down that shake and the shake itself won't even start absorbing until 3 hours later

unless you're IV'ing your protein or something

This is why you use micronized protein and bcaas. Hits you fast.
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Re: It is really necessary to eat after training?
« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2013, 01:29:29 AM »
So when someone has diabetes or low blood sugar and they eat or drink something and instantly feel better, it's just a placebo effect?  Because in your reality, it won't get to the small intestine for 3 hours? 

Bullshit.  Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

What he's saying is partly true, the majority of nutrients are in fact disgested in the small intestine and it does take a few hours for food to get there. However, once the stomach acids have broken down foods (which can be as quickly as minutes) simple nutrients like sugars can be absorbed instantly and depending on which sugar (fructose for example has to bypass the live I believe?) will be in the bloodstream minutes from eating it.

If a diabetic eats a snickers for example, they will feel 'better' / blood sugar levels returning to normal levels very quickly. As 90% of a snickers bar is sugar lol, i'm sure not much makes it to the small intestines  ;D