At What Age Do Men and Women Outgrow Libertarianism?

[syntaxmachine]

Most college Marxists move on, but it seems like Libertarians hold on to their fantasy forever.

Provisional hypothesis: They move on upon acquiring the ability to grow a beard on their face and not just their neck. Sadly, this day never arrives for some men and they are left beating off onto their dog-eared copies of Atlas Shrugged using Astroglide bought with Koch money.

[Rotten Mortimer]

Yes, libertarians should definitely be spit on on sight.  Fortunately enough for the rest of us who are not Real Life Diaper Babies, they're generally too stunted and twitchy to peddle their dogshit outside of internet forums. 

[basil]

Most college Marxists move on, but it seems like Libertarians hold on to their fantasy forever.

Provisional hypothesis: They move on upon acquiring the ability to grow a beard on their face and not just their neck. Sadly, this day never arrives for some men and they are left beating off onto their dog-eared copies of Atlas Shrugged using Astroglide bought with Koch money.

In your opinion, what is libertarianism?  No wiki quotes please.  Btw, I'm not libertarian.

[Archer77]

There are aspects of libertarianism I like such as many of its positions on social liberties but I find its far to rigid.  For many dissatisfied with the current political parties, libertarianism is a default position.  It is the new independent. Rarely do people who profess to be libertarian actually understand what libertarianism entails. All they know is, it's not democrat or republican.

[Soul Crusher]

As opposed to what? 

If anything - I find as I get older the typical left vs right thing no longer applies.

For me its freedom of the individual to pursue his desires and be left the fuck alone to the greatest extent possible vs. the collectivist idealogy of grouping everyone together and having shared rights obligations etc. 

 

[Psychopath]

What's wrong with being a libertarian?

Yes, it's a far fetched ideal that really never existed, nor can exist in modern times, but the idea of minimizing government control to the basics isn't bad at all.

[Parker]

As opposed to what? 

If anything - I find as I get older the typical left vs right thing no longer applies.

For me its freedom of the individual to pursue his desires and be left the fuck alone to the greatest extent possible vs. the collectivist idealogy of grouping everyone together and having shared rights obligations etc. 

 

Damn liar...as much as you go on about Obama, when it's been a generation worth of greedy political "pimps" as you like to call them.

[Soul Crusher]

Damn liar...as much as you go on about Obama, when it's been a generation worth of greedy political "pimps" as you like to call them.

Obama is a communist collectivist piece of garbage and slime - hope that helps. 

[_bruce_]

Can someone explain libertersomething in simple language?
Is is RonPaulism?

[Archer77]

Can someone explain libertersomething in simple language?
Is is RonPaulism?

There are a few strains with varying opinions on issues but this is the basics of the basics

Individualism
Property rights
Taxes are coercive
Deregulation
Free market advocates  
Privatization

The thing to keep in mind is many of these positions sound great before they are implemented.

[Parker]

Obama is a communist collectivist piece of garbage and slime - hope that helps. 

Obama is a politician. Nothing more. Calling him all those names may feel nice. But, in the end all it does is rile you up. Call a snake a snake, or a duck a duck, it's nothing more than what it is.

Fact of the matter is, we can't (you and I or all of us collectively) cannot change Washington. Washington must change Washington.

[Rotten Mortimer]

Formidable string of trolls from syntaxmachine today. 

[_bruce_]

There are a few strains with varying opinions on issues but this is the basics of the basics

Individualism
Property rights
Taxes are coercive
Deregulation
Free market advocates  
Privatization

The thing to keep in mind is many of these positions sound great before they are implemented.

Thanks!
There are pros and cons to everything - individualism for example only works if there's a common ground in respect and intellectual capacity.

[Roger Bacon]

Most college Marxists move on, but it seems like Libertarians hold on to their fantasy forever.

Provisional hypothesis: They move on upon acquiring the ability to grow a beard on their face and not just their neck. Sadly, this day never arrives for some men and they are left beating off onto their dog-eared copies of Atlas Shrugged using Astroglide bought with Koch money.

rofl!!

neck beards ....

[Archer77]

Thanks!
There are pros and cons to everything - individualism for example only works if there's a common ground in respect and intellectual capacity.

The more radical fringes like anarcho-capitalism, which there are also several statins of, seem a tad bit unrealistic and based almost entirely on presupposition and wishful thinking. 

[syntaxmachine]

BUT BUT BUT Von Mises said the state is bad!

http://www.midnimo.com/2013/08/02/somalia-somalia-once-again-plagued-by-violence/

[phreak]

Obama is a politician. Nothing more. Calling him all those names may feel nice. But, in the end all it does is rile you up. Call a snake a snake, or a duck a duck, it's nothing more than what it is.

Fact of the matter is, we can't (you and I or all of us collectively) cannot change Washington. Washington must change Washington.

Exactly. It's like getting angry at "reality TV" actors.

[Roger Bacon]

BUT BUT BUT Von Mises said the state is bad!

http://www.midnimo.com/2013/08/02/somalia-somalia-once-again-plagued-by-violence/

anarchy versus libertarianism

[rachaelsnav]

A real Libertarian believes that the federal government should live within the constitution i.e protect freedom and regulate interstate commerce and that is it. The states and municipalities should govern in accordance with their constitutions/charters, whatever they maybe (free health care, $30 an hour minimum wage whatever the people want).   I have found especially in today's give me stuff for free, no one is responsible society,  (accept white males), you cant have guns or sugar society; more people are maturing and understanding freedom and growing into Libertarianism not out.  Let me know when you want to grow up and take care of yourself and not let the government do it for you.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Can a so called libertarian still call him/herself a libertarian if they've used the American governments Bankruptcy court to "start over"?

[Roger Bacon]

A real Libertarian believes that the federal government should live within the constitution i.e protect freedom and regulate interstate commerce and that is it. The states and municipalities should govern in accordance with their constitutions/charters, whatever they maybe (free health care, $30 an hour minimum wage whatever the people want).   I have found especially in today's give me stuff for free, no one is responsible society,  (accept white males), you cant have guns or sugar society; more people are maturing and understanding freedom and growing into Libertarianism not out.  Let me know when you want to grow up and take care of yourself and not let the government do it for you.

Excellent post!

[phreak]

A real Libertarian believes that the federal government should live within the constitution i.e protect freedom and regulate interstate commerce and that is it. The states and municipalities should govern in accordance with their constitutions/charters, whatever they maybe (free health care, $30 an hour minimum wage whatever the people want).   I have found especially in today's give me stuff for free, no one is responsible society,  (accept white males), you cant have guns or sugar society; more people are maturing and understanding freedom and growing into Libertarianism not out.  Let me know when you want to grow up and take care of yourself and not let the government do it for you.

Most libertarians are fair weather followers. Yes, they want more freedom and personal accountability -- but only when things are going their way. Snoman makes a good point: everyone wants safety nets when they need them. Libertarians just don't seem to have enough empathy/foresight to realize it may be them that need it one day.

[phreak]

Can a so called libertarian still call him/herself a libertarian if they've used the American governments Bankruptcy court to "start over"?

Exactly. Bankruptcy should result in indentured servitude, not an abnegation of debt, i.e. of personal responsibility.

[Archer77]

Many aspects of libertarianism are appealing to me but others aspects are repellent.  Libertarianism is often presented as a rational economic and political philosophy or the natural next step in societal development.  In reality it's an untested theory based upon a great deal of presumption and wishful thinking. 

[Wiggs]

They are ideologues that put their plan into action. They've taken it too far. There is left extreme and right extreme. Neither is right. Balance is right. This two party system is a reason why we are where we are.