Author Topic: Feds tell Web firms to turn over user account passwords (Read 5156 times)

NoMoreLies · « **on:** August 07, 2013, 04:27:49 PM »

http://anabolicscene.blogspot.com/2013/08/feds-tell-web-firms-to-turn-over-user.html

This is getting completely insane

- NML

BRO · « **Reply #1 on:** August 07, 2013, 04:30:55 PM »

Doesn't this make the whole point of a password obsolete?

NoMoreLies · « **Reply #2 on:** August 07, 2013, 04:36:45 PM »

It means we need to keep our passwords for sensitive materials crazy difficult to crack.

Shockwave · « **Reply #3 on:** August 07, 2013, 04:52:00 PM »

Well, the government always tried to get the companies to hand over sensitive data..but it sounds like the companies know their users rights and arent giving in.

like a cop trying to get you to volunteer information that you dont have to give them, 9r even trying to bully you into incriminating yourself, even though they have no legal right to do it.

Our public sector is full of cockheads.

_aj_ · « **Reply #4 on:** August 07, 2013, 04:54:04 PM »

Keep in mind that all they can turn over is the hashes of the password and the salt. Most online places use a good (read: Not MD5) hashing algorithm and the more entropy (characters) you introduce, the harder it is to crack. The Feds are more than likely using Rainbow Tables to scan the hashes and even this optimization is a function of time.

I use 1Password as my password manager and use it to generate huge random passwords. 1Password is also great because it syncs my laptop, iPhone and iPad using Dropbox as the sync manager. Brilliance.

Dragoon · « **Reply #5 on:** August 07, 2013, 04:55:17 PM »

Quote from: _aj_ on August 07, 2013, 04:54:04 PM

I use 1Password as my password manager and use it to generate huge random passwords. 1Password is also great because it syncs my laptop, iPhone and iPad using Dropbox as the sync manager. Brilliance.

The feds have your 1Password password... game over

_aj_ · « **Reply #6 on:** August 07, 2013, 04:56:52 PM »

Quote from: Dragoon on August 07, 2013, 04:55:17 PM

The feds have your 1Password password... game over

Only if they used a key logger or Tempest to gather it.

_aj_ · « **Reply #7 on:** August 07, 2013, 04:57:39 PM »

Quote from: galeniko on August 07, 2013, 04:55:30 PM

so the nsa isnt all powerful?

Only math is all-powerful.

Jack T. Cross · « **Reply #8 on:** August 07, 2013, 05:02:29 PM »

Quote from: galeniko on August 07, 2013, 04:55:30 PM

so the nsa isnt all powerful?

No, they aren't all-powerful.

The fact that they're trying their absolute best to become that way, is the problem.

Jack T. Cross · « **Reply #9 on:** August 07, 2013, 05:03:54 PM »

...but I know you're in Switzerland, galeniko, so count your blessings.

oldtimer1 · « **Reply #10 on:** August 07, 2013, 06:02:00 PM »

You mean to tell me the feds are going to post on getbig pretending to be me?

Shockwave · « **Reply #11 on:** August 07, 2013, 06:15:55 PM »

Quote from: _aj_ on August 07, 2013, 04:56:52 PM

Only if they used a key logger or Tempest to gather it.

Only a matter of time at this rate... I believe a court ruled that they didn't need a warrant to monitor you..... to whats to stop them from datalogging your shit?

_aj_ · « **Reply #12 on:** August 07, 2013, 06:22:30 PM »

Quote from: Shockwave on August 07, 2013, 06:15:55 PM

Only a matter of time at this rate... I believe a court ruled that they didn't need a warrant to monitor you..... to whats to stop them from datalogging your shit?

Well, me for one. Don't use Windows at all, so that gaping vector is closed to them.

Jack T. Cross · « **Reply #13 on:** August 07, 2013, 06:25:36 PM »

Quote from: _aj_ on August 07, 2013, 04:56:52 PM

Only if they used a key logger or Tempest to gather it.

Or if they've already gotten a line into it.

Like an 'anonymous' mail program, or any other site that would attract those that may be the most interesting subjects.

Just cutting through the clutter, I'm sure.

Jack T. Cross · « **Reply #14 on:** August 07, 2013, 06:28:49 PM »

Someone mentioned to me that the Kremlin has begun to use manual typewriters again.

Jack T. Cross · « **Reply #15 on:** August 07, 2013, 06:32:33 PM »

Quote from: oldtimer1 on August 07, 2013, 06:02:00 PM

You mean to tell me the feds are going to post on getbig pretending to be me?

No. Guys like you are their best friends.

cswol · « **Reply #16 on:** August 11, 2013, 10:50:49 AM »

syntaxmachine · « **Reply #17 on:** August 11, 2013, 11:02:17 AM »

Quote from: Jack T. Cross on August 07, 2013, 06:28:49 PM

Someone mentioned to me that the Kremlin has begun to use manual typewriters again.

Translation: I read it on the internet, the place where I get all of my information which I subsequently concatenate into my worldview.

Teutonic Knight · « **Reply #18 on:** August 11, 2013, 02:58:23 PM »

My password is Vince Basile & nobody would crack it

Jack T. Cross · « **Reply #19 on:** August 28, 2013, 04:11:45 PM »

Quote from: syntaxmachine on August 11, 2013, 11:02:17 AM

Translation: I read it on the internet, the place where I get all of my information which I subsequently concatenate into my worldview.

Sounds good to me. Let's hope this isn't actually happening, and that it's nothing more than a stream of lies "from the internet".

B_B_C · « **Reply #20 on:** August 28, 2013, 04:24:00 PM »

doesnt the US government trust its citizens?

Mawse · « **Reply #21 on:** August 28, 2013, 04:27:17 PM »

Remember, this is ONLY to stop the Terrorists and nothing to do with small time drug buyers, tax evaders or anything else.

If we don't give Obama our passwords then Al Qaeda wins. Don't mind that Obama's giving AQ crates of US military hardware over in Syria, just turn over your passwords, phone records and this great country will remain Free.

_aj_ · « **Reply #22 on:** August 28, 2013, 04:34:12 PM »

Quote from: B_B_C on August 28, 2013, 04:24:00 PM

doesnt the US government trust its citizens?

Hahahaha!

B_B_C · « **Reply #23 on:** August 28, 2013, 04:36:49 PM »

Quote from: _aj_ on August 28, 2013, 04:34:12 PM

Hahahaha!

you may well laugh but its a question that US citizens apparently have not been considering fror a very long time
This present malaise originated many years ago
its difficult to trust anybody else when you don't trust your self

Papper · « **Reply #24 on:** August 28, 2013, 04:37:08 PM »

US of A should perhaps be careful for their economy's sake not to drive companies away from their own soil by creating a climate where web businesses can't provide integrity to their customers. the web is the future. sort of.