Big Brothers Next Way to trample on your liberty-- Speed limit controls in cars

[George Whorewell]

Usually, these big government disasters begin in the EU.

Coming soon to the USA...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/road-safety/10278702/EU-plans-to-fit-all-cars-with-speed-limiters.html



EU plans to fit all cars with speed limiters
All cars could be fitted with devices that stop them going over 70mph, under new EU road safety measures which aim to cut deaths from road accidents by a third.


Under the proposals new cars would be fitted with cameras that could read road speed limit signs and automatically apply the brakes when this is exceeded.
Patrick McLoughlin, the Transport Secretary, is said to be opposed to the plans, which could also mean existing cars are sent to garages to be fitted with the speed limiters, preventing them from going over 70mph.
The new measures have been announced by the European Commission’s Mobility and Transport Department as a measure to reduce the 30,000 people who die on the roads in Europe every year.
A Government source told the Mail on Sunday Mr McLoughlin had instructed officials to block the move because they ‘violated’ motorists’ freedom. They said: “This has Big Brother written all over it and is exactly the sort of thing that gets people's backs up about Brussels.
“The Commission wanted his views ahead of plans to publish the proposals this autumn. He made it very clear what those views were.”
The source claimed one of the reasons he was against the Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA) scheme is that the UK has a better road safety record than other European countries – with 1,754 people dying in road accidents last year compared to 3,657 in Germany.
The scheme would work either using satellites, which would communicate limits to cars automatically, or using cameras to read road signs. Drivers can be given a warning of the speed limit, or their speed could be controlled automatically under the new measures.
A spokesman for the European Commission said: “There is a currently consultation focusing on speed-limiting technology already fitted to HGVs and buses.
“Taking account of the results, the Commission will publish in the autumn a document by its technical experts which will no doubt refer to ISA among many other things.

[tonymctones]

cue the libtards to say its a good idea...

[doison]

"Speed limiter delete kits" now on sale at summitracing.com

[Hugo Chavez]

cue the libtards to say its a good idea...

It's like a bad fucking horror flick the crap they keep coming out with month after month.  The nutbag shit I see come out of England and the EU and shortly make its way here.  I'm sick of saying it all the time.  Just fucking send me back to 1840 or some shit.  This fucking shithole of a time has no future of interest and I'm just fucking sick of it all.

[tonymctones]

"Speed limiter delete kits" now on sale at summitracing.com

lol

It's like a bad fucking horror flick the crap they keep coming out with month after month.  The nutbag shit I see come out of England and the EU and shortly make its way here.  I'm sick of saying it all the time.  Just fucking send me back to 1840 or some shit.  This fucking shithole of a time has no future of interest and I'm just fucking sick of it all.

they will be arguing for breathalyzers in all cars before you know it

[Jack T. Cross]

We will soon have cars without drivers and similar things. This is fact.

Without question, unless the idea is vigorously opposed, we will see a day when a person will have the power of driving be legally taken away from him.

[scottt]

Chevrolet trucks have speed limiters set at 90mph already.

[tonymctones]

Chevrolet trucks have speed limiters set at 90mph already.

easily disabled and not illegal to do so if Im not mistaken...not the same

[tonymctones]

We will soon have cars without drivers and similar things. This is fact.

Without question, unless the idea is vigorously opposed, we will see a day when a person will have the power of driving be legally taken away from him.

doubt it, there will be cars that drive themselves but will also have the ability for the driver to manually take over.

not that this has any bearing on the situation at hand so....

[Skeletor]

Simply blaming speed and the often ridiculously low speed limits is idiotic. But attempts at limiting speed have been around for decades and it seems they are getting closer now.

High performance German cars used to be limited at 155mph, many still are today but not to the degree it used to be and in fact the autobahn "no speed limit" sections have been reduced substantially.
In Japan there used (thankfully) to be a "gentleman's agreement" between manufacturers not to go over 280 hp on street cars and Japanese domestic market cars were restricted to 112 mph.

There were some attempts to introduce a similar system at least a decade ago with a gps based system that would detect speed limits on areas and automatically limit the car's speed. The system would have several modes, one of which being a fully automatic where the car would not exceed the limit for any reason and stepping on the throttle had no effect whatsoever, quite dangerous.
Also under these proposals old cars would have to be fitted with the system and of course the motorists would have to pay the bill.
Then there is the big issue of speed tickets (even with these systems the police will find a way to issue tickets for "exceeding the speed limit").
All in all, a ridiculous and terrifying proposal straight out of "1984".

[Jack T. Cross]

doubt it

Famous last words, right there.

So there would be no future pressure arising from the potentiality, Tony? Will the same powers that are currently stripping rights, suddenly become "chill", or what? How do you envision that happening?

there will be are cars that drive themselves but will also currently have the ability for the driver to manually take over.

Fixed

not that this has any bearing on the situation at hand so....

Exactly what doesn't have bearing, Tony?

[tonymctones]

Famous last words, right there.

So there would be no future pressure arising from the potentiality, Tony? Will the same powers that are currently stripping rights, suddenly become "chill", or what? How do you envision that happening?

Fixed

Exactly what doesn't have bearing, Tony?

these will be pushed as a safety feature/convienence and will need manual override in cases where malfunctions happen or when its better to have a human driving

[Jack T. Cross]

these will be pushed as a safety feature/convienence and will need manual override in cases where malfunctions happen or when its better to have a human driving

I will tell you without question, that the technology will rapidly advance to a point that effectively edges out any potentially injurious error, and supposed reasoning will arise to remove the human from the equation.

[Jack T. Cross]

For anyone that doesn't think this will happen: What do you believe will stop it?

[tonymctones]

For anyone that doesn't think this will happen: What do you believe will stop it?

no matter how advanced computers get they will always be designed with a manual override

computers are designed to make our lives easier by doing what we intend them to do, from an engineering stand point its stupid to not put in a manual override

[Jack T. Cross]

no matter how advanced computers get they will always be designed with a manual override

computers are designed to make our lives easier by doing what we intend them to do, from an engineering stand point its stupid to not put in a manual override

When these cars begin to become commonplace, Tony, what would you say will pose the greatest safety risk to the people inside them?

Myself, I say it will be cars that have humans controlling them. Would you disagree?

[tonymctones]

When these cars begin to become commonplace, Tony, what would you say will pose the greatest safety risk to the people inside them?

Myself, I say it will be cars that have humans controlling them. Would you disagree?

you seem to once again hear what you want and argue whatever arguement you want

Im not saying that these types of vehicles wont exist or that they wont be safer in most situations than human drivers only that there will always be a manual override.

[Jack T. Cross]

you seem to once again hear what you want and argue whatever arguement you want

Im not saying that these types of vehicles wont exist or that they wont be safer in most situations than human drivers only that there will always be a manual override.

Please give me a scenario, Tony.

[tonymctones]

Please give me a scenario, Tony.

of a manual override?

come on dude this is going to the way of the "wealth is limited" thread where you go in circles chasing your tail...

[Jack T. Cross]

of a manual override?

come on dude this is going to the way of the "wealth is limited" thread where you go in circles chasing your tail...

Get over it, Tony.

Just be more careful with some of the shit you say, if you don't want that type of thing to happen.

[tonymctones]

Get over it, Tony.

Just be more careful with some of the shit you say, if you don't want that type of thing to happen.

be careful what I type if i dont want you chasing your tail?

LMFAO

[Jack T. Cross]

be careful what I type if i dont want you chasing your tail?

LMFAO

 

 

[tonymctones]

 

lol sorry bro your 0-3...zimmerman, wealth and now this.

[Jack T. Cross]

Hahahaha....how did I get a 0 on Zimmerman, Tony?

BTW, in case you were legit about not getting the last question: I am looking for a scenario that would involve a manual override, to cause a continued need for the issuing of common licenses. Specifically, I want to know why it would be required to continue issuing standard drivers' licenses in such a computerized, power-backed environment where driving is not only no longer a necessity, but is deemed a potential hazard.

Will get your reply tomorrow, bro.

[tonymctones]

Hahahaha....how did I get a 0 on Zimmerman, Tony?

BTW, in case you were legit about not getting the last question: I am looking for a scenario that would involve a manual override, to cause a continued need for the issuing of common licenses. Specifically, I want to know why it would be required to continue issuing standard drivers' licenses in such a computerized, power-backed environment where driving is not only no longer a necessity, but is deemed a potential hazard.

Will get your reply tomorrow, bro.

you get a 0 for zimmerman b.c you couldnt seem to understand that he didnt break any laws by getting out of his truck...by continuously looking at one section of the law instead of its all of it.

before I answer your question, please state whether you think these future cars will be designed with a manual override feature.