Big Brothers Next Way to trample on your liberty-- Speed limit controls in cars

[Al Doggity]

cue the libtards to say its a good idea...

no matter how advanced computers get they will always be designed with a manual override

computers are designed to make our lives easier by doing what we intend them to do, from an engineering stand point its stupid to not put in a manual override

  And then when you read the actual article:

The scheme would work either using satellites, which would communicate limits to cars automatically, or using cameras to read road signs. Drivers can be given a warning of the speed limit, or their speed could be controlled automatically under the new measures.

In other words, these devices have the option for manual override.

Good Lord... I have never seen a poster so committed to being ... well, you know. Of course, the other the other thread in which you've made the last post I see you mention your "college" days. Priceless.

[240 is Back]

I like the fact that most idiot 16 year olds with no driving experience cannot drive their vehicle 200 mph due to technical limitations.

I like the fact that most idiot 16 year olds with no driving experience cannot drive their vehicle 150 mph due to technical limitations.

Would I like a situation where most 16 year olds have a vehicle with a limiter that doesn't let their car go above 70 mph?  Maybe.

I can see some situations where grown folk may even need to push it to 80 or 85 mph.  But honestly, can anyone list the situations where going OVER 100 mph is necessary? 


I do know that every time I see some idiot driving down I-75 at 2 am, going 120 mph, knowing full well the cops will never catch him because he can just get off at the next exit by the time they get moving... it pisses me off... public menace right there.  Perhaps IF you are caught speeding over 90 mph, you are required to keep the metal 'governor' on your pedal to prevent you from breaking 70 again.

[JOHN MATRIX]

I can see it now, the liberals saying 'why does anyone need a high-powered car???' 'Why do you need a car that can go faster than the speed limit???' 'Why do you need a car that accelerates quickly??' ' if you have a sports car you must be up to no good' followed by feinstein presenting a bill to ban any car with 'sporty features' including that '92honda civil hatchback with an aftermarket spoiler on it labeling it a 'high powered weapon'...


THIS IS WHERE ALL THIS SHIT LEADS

[tonymctones]

  And then when you read the actual article:
 In other words, these devices have the option for manual override.

Good Lord... I have never seen a poster so committed to being ... well, you know. Of course, the other the other thread in which you've made the last post I see you mention your "college" days. Priceless.

LMFAO yea my stalker

What does the tangent discussion about manual overrides have to do with whether or not this is a good idea and a liberal wet dream?

You can't be for one but point out that they will put in manual overrides?

Your hatred of me has blurred your already questionable vision there albert

[tonymctones]

I like the fact that most idiot 16 year olds with no driving experience cannot drive their vehicle 200 mph due to technical limitations.

I like the fact that most idiot 16 year olds with no driving experience cannot drive their vehicle 150 mph due to technical limitations.

Would I like a situation where most 16 year olds have a vehicle with a limiter that doesn't let their car go above 70 mph?  Maybe.

I can see some situations where grown folk may even need to push it to 80 or 85 mph.  But honestly, can anyone list the situations where going OVER 100 mph is necessary? 


I do know that every time I see some idiot driving down I-75 at 2 am, going 120 mph, knowing full well the cops will never catch him because he can just get off at the next exit by the time they get moving... it pisses me off... public menace right there.  Perhaps IF you are caught speeding over 90 mph, you are required to keep the metal 'governor' on your pedal to prevent you from breaking 70 again.

I completely agree in fact why not create an alert when you go over the speed limit and have it automatically issue you a ticket?

[JOHN MATRIX]

i didn't say that.  But the same way a person is issued a reckless driving citation or instantly loses license for driving 115 mph in a school zone..

well, i have no problem with putting a little note on their license.  Fuck them.  Drive that fast and put the rest of us in danger.  I'm not talking about neutering the average american, just the idiot that thinks he's vin diesel in front of an elementary school.  yes, fck that guy.  yes, fuckk his right to drive 120 mph.

people who are irresponsible with cars - DUI, reckless speeding, drag racing - the wrost kind of idiots.  Cause they're not just doing bonehead shit to endanger themselves - they're risking the health of others.

So yes, cry me a river for the poor 16 year old who isn't allowed to drive 115 mph for the 5th fcking time.  boo fcking hoo.

Can't you see where all ths shit is leading though? It is terrifying. They want to control everything..

[Jack T. Cross]

you get a 0 for zimmerman b.c you couldnt seem to understand that he didnt break any laws by getting out of his truck...by continuously looking at one section of the law instead of its all of it.

before I answer your question, please state whether you think these future cars will be designed with a manual override feature.

The only logical path I see regarding a manual override, ends. In fact, I cannot see a future scenario that involves common licensing, or human-controlled vehicles on public ways, period. I'd love for someone to convince me otherwise.

(BTW, seems to me it could only become illegal in this case if it was attached to an unlawful death, but the prosecutor did not attempt to show that an unlawful death took place. So the decision became a very predictable one, and I did indeed predict it before the jury spoke.)

[doison]

I like the fact that most idiot 16 year olds with no driving experience cannot drive their vehicle 200 mph due to technical limitations.

I like the fact that most idiot 16 year olds with no driving experience cannot drive their vehicle 150 mph due to technical limitations.

Would I like a situation where most 16 year olds have a vehicle with a limiter that doesn't let their car go above 70 mph?  Maybe.

I can see some situations where grown folk may even need to push it to 80 or 85 mph.  But honestly, can anyone list the situations where going OVER 100 mph is necessary? 


I do know that every time I see some idiot driving down I-75 at 2 am, going 120 mph, knowing full well the cops will never catch him because he can just get off at the next exit by the time they get moving... it pisses me off... public menace right there.  Perhaps IF you are caught speeding over 90 mph, you are required to keep the metal 'governor' on your pedal to prevent you from breaking 70 again.

Very few things are necessary.  This forum certainly isn't.  Neither is television...especially fictional TV shows like Breaking Bad.  A glass of red wine while watching Breaking Bad is even less necessary. 

You don't still claim to be a Libertarian, do you?  There couldn't be a less libertarian point-of-view than what you have here

[240 is Back]

Very few things are necessary.  This forum certainly isn't.  Neither is television...especially fictional TV shows like Breaking Bad.  A glass of red wine while watching Breaking Bad is even less necessary. 

You don't still claim to be a Libertarian, do you?  There couldn't be a less libertarian point-of-view than what you have here

if a glass of wine during breaking bad could kill OTHERS, then yes, it's a problem.

if a kid drives 115 in a school zone, yes, I'm fine with requiring his stupid ass to drive a damn moped for a year, if he drives at all. 

reckless behavior is fine - UNTIL IT IMPEDES ON THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS - which a car going 115 mph certainly does.

[Skeletor]

http://jalopnik.com/the-eu-isnt-really-planning-to-limit-all-cars-to-70-mp-1246413214

The backlash against the alleged EU plan forced the EU to issue a statement on their blog:

    Reports in the press over the last day or two have suggested that the EU intends to bring forward “formal proposals this autumn” to introduce automatic speed controls -known as “Intelligent Speed Adaptation” or ISA, into cars. This is quite simply not true and the Commission had made this very clear to the journalists concerned prior to publication.

The blog post makes it clear that while research into such technology was, in fact, occurring (and will continue), no actual laws or proposal of laws have been suggested. The blog entry goes on to quote from a Commission spokeperson a line that was ignored by most of the news outlets reporting on the story:

        “The Commission has not tabled – and does not have in the pipeline – even a non-binding Recommendation, let alone anything more.”

[B_B_C]

its not as though ye actually drive fast in the USA

[doison]

if a glass of wine during breaking bad could kill OTHERS, then yes, it's a problem.

if a kid drives 115 in a school zone, yes, I'm fine with requiring his stupid ass to drive a damn moped for a year, if he drives at all.  

reckless behavior is fine - UNTIL IT IMPEDES ON THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS - which a car going 115 mph certainly does.

Not where I live.  You might rip up a corn field, but that's no reason to prevent my car from being able to drive that fast.  



How often are kids driving 115 mph in a school zone?  And how is making them drive only 70 mph in a school zone going to save lives?  

You take a ridiculous restriction like preventing cars from being able to drive faster than some arbitrary speed and link it with 16 year olds going Luke Duke during bus drop off when a 16 year old driving "only" 70 mph is just as deadly in that scenario.  

Of course, when your kid swallows a marble and you're trying to race to the hospital, a 70 mph limit isn't going to be saving any lives either...but kids swallowing small objects isn't nearly as common as teenagers jumping school curbs at triple digits MPHs.

[240 is Back]

If a person excessively breaks the speeding law, I have no problem revoking their license or requiring them to attach a piece of metal to pedal that limits their vehicle to the maximum speed limit on the intersate in that state.  That'd be 70 or 75 mph in most states.

Yes, if a person has an emergency, they'd better take a different car - because if they're so much of a dumb shit to drive 115 mph in a school zone, they're more likely to cause a wreck than to create one.

I respect the scenario you present, but it's very rare - way more often we see ass-hat 16 year olds going 90 in a school zone, than we see some vin diesel hero driving granny to the ER with a nitro pill lodged in her throat.

Or maybe you just lock fckers up when they speed like that... if you're going more than 50 mph over the limit, and it's not a medical emergency, your ass is locked up ffor one year.  i'd be cool with that instead.

[tonymctones]

I completely agree in fact why not create an alert when you go over the speed limit and have it automatically issue you a ticket?

id like you to give me one good reason not to do this 240.

[Dos Equis]

Usually, these big government disasters begin in the EU.

Coming soon to the USA...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/road-safety/10278702/EU-plans-to-fit-all-cars-with-speed-limiters.html



EU plans to fit all cars with speed limiters
All cars could be fitted with devices that stop them going over 70mph, under new EU road safety measures which aim to cut deaths from road accidents by a third.


Under the proposals new cars would be fitted with cameras that could read road speed limit signs and automatically apply the brakes when this is exceeded.
Patrick McLoughlin, the Transport Secretary, is said to be opposed to the plans, which could also mean existing cars are sent to garages to be fitted with the speed limiters, preventing them from going over 70mph.
The new measures have been announced by the European Commission’s Mobility and Transport Department as a measure to reduce the 30,000 people who die on the roads in Europe every year.
A Government source told the Mail on Sunday Mr McLoughlin had instructed officials to block the move because they ‘violated’ motorists’ freedom. They said: “This has Big Brother written all over it and is exactly the sort of thing that gets people's backs up about Brussels.
“The Commission wanted his views ahead of plans to publish the proposals this autumn. He made it very clear what those views were.”
The source claimed one of the reasons he was against the Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA) scheme is that the UK has a better road safety record than other European countries – with 1,754 people dying in road accidents last year compared to 3,657 in Germany.
The scheme would work either using satellites, which would communicate limits to cars automatically, or using cameras to read road signs. Drivers can be given a warning of the speed limit, or their speed could be controlled automatically under the new measures.
A spokesman for the European Commission said: “There is a currently consultation focusing on speed-limiting technology already fitted to HGVs and buses.
“Taking account of the results, the Commission will publish in the autumn a document by its technical experts which will no doubt refer to ISA among many other things.

Crazy. 

[doison]

If a person excessively breaks the speeding law, I have no problem revoking their license or requiring them to attach a piece of metal to pedal that limits their vehicle to the maximum speed limit on the intersate in that state.  That'd be 70 or 75 mph in most states.

Yes, if a person has an emergency, they'd better take a different car - because if they're so much of a dumb shit to drive 115 mph in a school zone, they're more likely to cause a wreck than to create one.

I respect the scenario you present, but it's very rare - way more often we see ass-hat 16 year olds going 90 in a school zone, than we see some vin diesel hero driving granny to the ER with a nitro pill lodged in her throat.

Or maybe you just lock fckers up when they speed like that... if you're going more than 50 mph over the limit, and it's not a medical emergency, your ass is locked up ffor one year.  i'd be cool with that instead.

Punishment for crime is fine with just about everyone.  There is a big difference between punishing someone for reckless driving and preventing ALL VEHICLES from being capable of driving faster than a certain speed because someone might drive recklessly.  

The whole "I don't usually do X, therefore no one should be allowed to ever do X" concept is just beyond frustrating to me.  It's simple mindedness at its worse.  



There's no direct & absolute causal relation between an engine's speed capabilities and risk of death.  The whole "stay alive at 55" farce is a great example of this.  Dropping speed limits to 55 mph did nothing to reduce accidents or traffic deaths.  In fact, when the 55 mph limit was dropped, many states jumped top speed limits to 65 mph and saw no increase in driver danger...so much so that states even decided to increase speed limits to 70 mph.  

The risk factor is idiots.  You can't abolish stupid.  Stupid sticks around no matter how many nanny laws you pass.  That's something the simple minded thought process of "an idiot might be irresponsible with this option, therefore it shouldn't be allowed for ANYONE!" misses time and time again.  


Fuck, kids these days would walk into a pit of lava if there wasnt a sign that said "do not walk into pit of lava" to "warn" them that lava is hot.  You can't prevent people from being dipshits...all you do is create more perfect morons while preventing non-idiots from having any control over their own lives

[doison]

id like you to give me one good reason not to do this 240.

I'm alone on a straight-away three miles long that I've driven hundreds of times in my life.  There's three farm owners within 10 miles and two of them are in the car with me (the third is in the car behind me).  It's daylight outside, no rain, no shadows, and I feel like taking my compound turbo duramax for a quarter mile run with my new 400 over sticks...and might hit 120mph at the end. 



I'd like to think that I still hold some rational thought abilities that allow me to judge whether or not a situation is overly life-threatening to me and those around me. 
I realize that many of you have decided that you are incapable of deciding that on your own, but I'm not ready to call myself a helpless moron. 
I can hold a firearm without it randomly going off without warning.
I can drink a sugary drink without falling into a tailspin of never-ending gluttony.
I will expect my 17 year old kid to be able to handle the responsibility of buying windshield washer fluid (you have to be 18 years old now...)
I can handle the power of internal combustion and realize that driving faster than the posted speed limit may lead to being ticketed...I can also handle the responsibility of owning a vehicle that can drive faster than 70 mph without driving through school yards at 140 mph. 

[tonymctones]

I'm alone on a straight-away three miles long that I've driven hundreds of times in my life.  There's three farm owners within 10 miles and two of them are in the car with me (the third is in the car behind me).  It's daylight outside, no rain, no shadows, and I feel like taking my compound turbo duramax for a quarter mile run with my new 400 over sticks...and might hit 120mph at the end. 



I'd like to think that I still hold some rational thought abilities that allow me to judge whether or not a situation is overly life-threatening to me and those around me. 
I realize that many of you have decided that you are incapable of deciding that on your own, but I'm not ready to call myself a helpless moron. 
I can hold a firearm without it randomly going off without warning.
I can drink a sugary drink without falling into a tailspin of never-ending gluttony.
I will expect my 17 year old kid to be able to handle the responsibility of buying windshield washer fluid (you have to be 18 years old now...)
I can handle the power of internal combustion and realize that driving faster than the posted speed limit may lead to being ticketed...I can also handle the responsibility of owning a vehicle that can drive faster than 70 mph without driving through school yards at 140 mph. 

I agree with you doison, I am asking 240 as he wants a "good" reason to not put in speed inhibitors in cars why this would be a bad idea since he was against it.

[JOHN MATRIX]

Punishment for crime is fine with just about everyone.  There is a big difference between punishing someone for reckless driving and preventing ALL VEHICLES from being capable of driving faster than a certain speed because someone might drive recklessly.  

The whole "I don't usually do X, therefore no one should be allowed to ever do X" concept is just beyond frustrating to me.  It's simple mindedness at its worse.  



There's no direct & absolute causal relation between an engine's speed capabilities and risk of death.  The whole "stay alive at 55" farce is a great example of this.  Dropping speed limits to 55 mph did nothing to reduce accidents or traffic deaths.  In fact, when the 55 mph limit was dropped, many states jumped top speed limits to 65 mph and saw no increase in driver danger...so much so that states even decided to increase speed limits to 70 mph.  

The risk factor is idiots.  You can't abolish stupid.  Stupid sticks around no matter how many nanny laws you pass.  That's something the simple minded thought process of "an idiot might be irresponsible with this option, therefore it shouldn't be allowed for ANYONE!" misses time and time again.  


Fuck, kids these days would walk into a pit of lava if there wasnt a sign that said "do not walk into pit of lava" to "warn" them that lava is hot.  You can't prevent people from being dipshits...all you do is create more perfect morons while preventing non-idiots from having any control over their own lives

Good post. 240 is starting to sound like an actual advocate cor the nanng state concept.

And I'm sure it has technically happened before, but I've gone my entire life and never seen anyone drive 115 in a school zone. In fact I'm not sure its even possible to do that in virtually all common vehicles without crashing your vehicle. I've never even seen sanyone go even 60 in a school zone.
What I do see on a daily basis however, are thousands of people being forced to go 20mph for a ridiculous distance past high schools set 500 yards from the street, all in the name of 'safety' for the 15-18yr olds who go there

[240 is Back]

Punishment for crime is fine with just about everyone.  There is a big difference between punishing someone for reckless driving and preventing ALL VEHICLES from being capable of driving faster than a certain speed because someone might drive recklessly. 

I never said all cars.  Re-read it.  I said those who break the law with extreme recklessness. 

[doison]

I never said all cars.  Re-read it.  I said those who break the law with extreme recklessness. 

I'm sure you included some kind of escape clause for your absurdity.  That only makes it worse though.  At least stand behind what you say.  Diffidence is cowardice when it comes to politics

[Emmortal]

I would prefer to see muzzles placed over individuals who lack the willpower to stop eating.  Now that's real liberty.

[240 is Back]

I would prefer to see muzzles placed over individuals who lack the willpower to stop eating.  Now that's real liberty.

fat people who eat themselves to death really only hurt themselves.

I can't fire a gun into traffic.  Why should someone be able to drive a half-ton truck, 115 mph.

[tonymctones]

fat people who eat themselves to death really only hurt themselves.

I can't fire a gun into traffic.  Why should someone be able to drive a half-ton truck, 115 mph.

why should you be able to speed at all?

[240 is Back]

why should you be able to speed at all?

there are times when an emergency will make it necessary, as someone pointed out.

IMO, there are some people who lose that right to "go 110 mph in an emergency", perhaps after their 2nd or 3rd maor speeding ticket - or DUIs, possibly.

I just have no feelings of pity for those who use cars like that - not giving a shit about others because hey, they're in a hurry and/or have had too many to drink.  Fck them.