What went wrong after 1998?

[robocop]

quality of physiques went down hill after 1998! Why,how what happend?

[doison]

No, the quality of physiques when down after 1974!

No, it was 1984!

Well, '93 was good too, that's when it went down!

Well, 2001 was pretty good, so was '99!

1988 was actually the peak, probably!

2003 was good too though!

[WiseGuy]

it was whenever Haney left.....

 

[sculpture]

Once the weiders saw it fit to award the ugliest body on stage, ie yates, was when it went downhill. This paradigm shift caused the majority of competitors to chase yates by attempting to foolishly play the mass game. Of course a few men didn't such as shawn ray

[Slick Vic]

What went wrong after '98? Flex not winning the Olympia. 

[pumpster]

Haney was very good but not great, it wasn't his influence but Yates and the reward he got for a big powerlifter look that started the trend.

Others with the same look continued the trend, like Nassser.

[Earl1972]

What went wrong after '98? Flex not winning the Olympia. 

flex in 98 no way not with that synthol abuse

shawn and of course kevin should've won

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[Stavios]

flex in 98 no way not with that synthol abuse

shawn and of course kevin should've won

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Yeah like levrone didn't use synthol 

[Hulkster]

1994 Olympia was the turning point...


that was the first contest where the huge, powerlifter type physique, complete with gut and torn muscles, defeated a career best shape shawn ray, all because shawn was "smaller"

[Hulkster]

PS- kevin didn't look all that great at the 98 O. It looks like he came in way too depleted..

[Earl1972]

Yeah like levrone didn't use synthol 

maybe he did and maybe he didn't

if he did it wasn't as obvious as flex

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[Mr. Intenseone]

maybe he did and maybe he didn't

if he did it wasn't as obvious as flex

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Yes...it was!

[DIVISION]

quality of physiques went down hill after 1998! Why,how what happend?

Mass amounts of GH, IGF-1, Insulin.....

Those distended guts will NEVER go away now.

Feel my words.

NEVER.




DIV

[Earl1972]

Yes...it was!

how so?

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[IceCold]

the reason the phsyiques started going downhill bc most the guys who were in the 90's were also in their prime.  then around 98, they started getting older and werent as good as they were years before.


stop hating on yates and the other big bbers of the 90's.  just bc you'll never be half as big as them, stop bitching about "the powerlifter physique".  please continue to mold your phsyique after jon basedow.

[Hulkster]

the reason the phsyiques started going downhill bc most the guys who were in the 90's were also in their prime.  then around 98, they started getting older and werent as good as they were years before.


stop hating on yates and the other big bbers of the 90's.  just bc you'll never be half as big as them, stop bitching about "the powerlifter physique".  please continue to mold your phsyique after jon basedow.

I think the thread is hinting at the fact that there was a huge shortage of impressive pros coming on to the scene after the 90's, not that the 90's pros are getting past their prime. In the 90's, you had Yates, Levrone, Ray, Coleman, Wheeler, Cormeir etc etc all rising to prominence.  Since then, who have we had:

Jaw Gutler (overrated and blocky)
Rhul (some say oil-filled and blocky)
Gunter (blocky and overrated, gets a gift each october)
Dexter (ripped to shreds but has huge structural flaws)
etc etc.

The calibre of the pro's took a downturn after the 90's.  A few warriors like Chris and Ronnie are still going, but the new comers are not what they ued to be..

I think this is what the topic is about.

[Capt._America]

I really think part of the problem is that the Mr. "O", never seems to change, not a knock on Ronnie, as he has deserved a few times, but not all 8, and no one can argue that, seems that the judges are afraid to look at each competitor on the day of the show and not what they did over the past few years and that is what hurts, in Flex this month, more than states, show was predecided by call outs, and no one was given a chance to break it up, feel if it seemed all competitors had a chance, might see different men winning and different looks becoming popular, and for the record, big Yates fan and fan of the Mass MOnsters.

[DekeP]

The decline started in 1999 when Coleman won his first Mr. O with a noticable case of gyno, sub-par calves, and his posing suit tucked into the crack of his ass like some dancer in a gay club. 

[Hulkster]

actually, Franco Colombu first won the Mr. Gynolympia in 1981.

[m8]

it's all about the lighting used at the show

[8 INCH not biceps]

 Actually the quality of bodybuilders went downhill after the columbus came to america.

[Gord]

....Gunter (blocky and overrated, gets a gift each october)....

Gunter looked excellent this year and his placing was no gift. If anyhting he should've placed higher.

Your hero, Ronnie, has his share of gifts and he adds to them every passing year.

[Double XL]

Gunter (blocky and overrated, gets a gift each october)

DONT FORGET HIS 2 TORN QUADS.  I CANT HATE THOUGH, GUNTER IS A GOOD BODYBUILDER AND YOU CANT DENY THAT, JUST NOT AS GOOD AS SOME OTHERS I THINK HE DESERVED HIS GOOD PLACING THIS YEAR, HES BETTER THAN JAY.

[Hulkster]

Gunter looked excellent this year and his placing was no gift. If anyhting he should've placed higher.

Your hero, Ronnie, has his share of gifts and he adds to them every passing year.

Well, as far as gunter goes, that only adds to the whole point of this thread: the quality of the lineups has dropped drastically, with a few exceptions.  Ever notice how Gunter used to be barely a top 10 Olympia competitor? Hell, did he have to be "invited" a few times? And now, he places top 5 all the time. Well, there is a reason for that: the focus of this thread.

Now, don't get me wrong: Gunter has improved alot, and is a great representative of bb, but he can't hang with the likes of Coleman, Ray, Wheeler, Haney, Levrone etc. when they are in shape.

And as far as Ronnie goes, he had only one real, undebatable gift: 2002.  I still don't think that Jay was good enough to take him in 2001- Jays back kept him from fairly beating ronnie IMO.. But Ronnie should have lost in 2002 to Levrone.  Levrone is far above Jay, in my opinion.

Jay is overrated. Not as much as the Supreme Ruler of All Overratedness, Dorian Yates, but still overrated none the less

[MisterGX]

The decline started in 1999 when Coleman won his first Mr. O with a noticable case of gyno, sub-par calves, and his posing suit tucked into the crack of his ass like some dancer in a gay club. 

First won it in '98.  If you had of been at Madison Garden live and in living color that night--you might be singing a different tune.  Sub-par calves agreed, but non-existent (BULLSHIT!!).  Posing trunks pulled up for showing off extreme striated glutes compared smooth glutes of front-runner Flex Wheeler--not for fag dancing as you suggest.  Gyno was noticeable, but not ruining has physique.  That show was for Wheeler to win, but he choked in his preparation as usual for the Olympia.