What went wrong after 1998?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie has received many gifts , his first win (1998 ) he won by 3 points !! that has to be one of the closest Olympias ever , 1999 and 2000 he scored straight firsts but people have said perhaps Chris should have won in 99 and Levrone in 2000 , 2001 he " won " by just 4 points again another extremely close call , 2002 again Leverone should have won according to some , but the score sheet says he only won by 9 points , 2003 straight firsts , 2004 he won again by just 3 points , and 2005 he won by 16 points so even in 05 it wasn't straight firsts , so only 3 of his 8 wins have come with straight firsts , 3 were close calls and 2 wern't that close , now most Mr Olympias have gotten gifts , Arnold in 1980 , Haney in 1990 , Yates in 1994/97 but Coleman takes the cake for most close calls and most gifts bar none.

[Hulkster]

can you imagine how cocky Flex would have been if he had actually won the  Mr. Oilympia? Hell, in 1999, after losing fair and square,  he was so conceted he threw a tantrum, turned his back on the judges and almost walked off stage!

[MisterGX]

Ronnie has received many gifts , his first win (1998 ) he won by 3 points !! that has to be one of the closest Olympias ever , 1999 and 2000 he scored straight firsts but people have said perhaps Chris should have won in 99 and Levrone in 2000 , 2001 he " won " by just 4 points again another extremely close call , 2002 again Leverone should have won according to some , but the score sheet says he only won by 9 points , 2003 straight firsts , 2004 he won again by just 3 points , and 2005 he won by 16 points so even in 05 it wasn't straight firsts , so only 3 of his 8 wins have come with straight firsts , 3 were close calls and 2 wern't that close , now most Mr Olympias have gotten gifts , Arnold in 1980 , Haney in 1990 , Yates in 1994/97 but Coleman takes the cake for most close calls and most gifts bar none.

I spoke with a judge who had scored the 2002 Mr.O.  The problem she had was that Kevin either peaked late/posed like he was half asleep at the pre-judging.  Ronnie clearly won the prejudging on her sheet.  But the night show was a completely different scenario--she had Kevin winning the posing round & the final posedown.  In all, she felt that if Kevin came on strong in the pre-judging like he did at night--no question he would have been crowned Mr. Olympia.

[Hulkster]

Ronnie has received many gifts , his first win (1998 ) he won by 3 points !! that has to be one of the closest Olympias ever , 1999 and 2000 he scored straight firsts but people have said perhaps Chris should have won in 99 and Levrone in 2000 , 2001 he " won " by just 4 points again another extremely close call , 2002 again Leverone should have won according to some , but the score sheet says he only won by 9 points , 2003 straight firsts , 2004 he won again by just 3 points , and 2005 he won by 16 points so even in 05 it wasn't straight firsts , so only 3 of his 8 wins have come with straight firsts , 3 were close calls and 2 wern't that close , now most Mr Olympias have gotten gifts , Arnold in 1980 , Haney in 1990 , Yates in 1994/97 but Coleman takes the cake for most close calls and most gifts bar none.

even you have to agree that the ONLY reason that Ronnie's win was so close in 1998 was that he was OVERLOOKED in the early rounds: he was the FIRST Mr. Olympia to win and not be called out in the first comparison in many years. That hadn't happened in a long time.  That says it all right there. He was overlooked at first.

secondly, just because "people said perhaps" Kevin and Chris should have won does NOT mean it was a gift.

Coleman has the most gifts? Well, it seems that you are saying that any win is a "gift" if the score sheets don't show straight firsts.

I think most would disagree with you on that.

Also, you have to consider that Coleman has won more Mr. O's than anyone else except for haney, so  obviously, if you hate his physique, he will have recieved many more gifts in your opinion then say someone like Bannout, who only won once.

[MisterGX]

can you imagine how cocky Flex would have been if he had actually won the  Mr. Oilympia? Hell, in 1999, after losing fair and square,  he was so conceted he threw a tantrum, turned his back on the judges and almost walked off stage!

Realistically, I thought Flex looked better in the '99 Olympia than the '98.  Regardless of all the belly aching about his use of synthol, he did his homework in getting prepared.  The problem I felt was that he wasn't hard enough in the hamstring-glute area.  But with that said, I still don't think Ronnie should have beat Flex in the symmetry/first round.  I would have to agree with NarcDeity on this one.

[Hulkster]

Realistically, I thought Flex looked better in the '99 Olympia than the '98.  Regardless of all the belly aching about his use of synthol, he did his homework in getting prepared.  The problem I felt was that he wasn't hard enough in the hamstring-glute area.  But with that said, I still don't think Ronnie should have beat Flex in the symmetry/first round.  I would have to agree with NarcDeity on this one.

ronnie beat Flex in the first round because he was much harder and had a far better taper:



the same holds true for chris, who was in the shape of his life that night.  But Ronnie was even more "on" than either of them back then.  That was the "pre-gut" Coleman in one of his best ever presentations.

I think Chris should have beaten Flex at that show - flex always looked really soft in 99 for some reason.  I think it was more due to contest prep than to oil.

[sculpture]

Oh god i can see where this thread is goin and its inevitable degradation to shit. Hulkster i agree the only gift placing, (gift in the sense that he didnt deserve it not as ND suggests in 98'), was 2001.

98 - ronnie, harder, better proportioned than wheeler. No calves you say? Surely this argument holds for wheeler then unless you consider synthol "real"
99 - ronnie undisputed. Wheeler softer and noticebly faker in arms and delts. Cormier was excellant but it was lights out teh minute ronnie turn around
2000 - ronnie again. No competitor rocked up in awesome shape that year so the incumbent gets it
2001 - too close to call. I'd say he got a gift but then cutler couldnt match the back poses. Unfortunatly for jay this was the best hes been and ever since
2002 - Ronnie again! Levrone was in great shape no doubt but unfortunatly for him a shadow of his mid nineties form, largely down to his declining quads
2003 - Undisputed. Please no one picth dexter jackson
2004 - Ronnie by virtue of a poor lineup#
2005 - similar argument as 2004

So really he's had only one gift and that was the 2001 when he effectively won on the basis of the individual posing and posedown round. Not as some would make it out, ie, hes had the most gifts of any mro. It makes me laugh cos these same critics shy away when asked to present an alternative winner (you know who you are ND)

[Double XL]

Oh god i can see where this thread is goin and its inevitable degradation to shit. Hulkster i agree the only gift placing, (gift in the sense that he didnt deserve it not as ND suggests in 98'), was 2001.

98 - ronnie, harder, better proportioned than wheeler. No calves you say? Surely this argument holds for wheeler then unless you consider synthol "real"
99 - ronnie undisputed. Wheeler softer and noticebly faker in arms and delts. Cormier was excellant but it was lights out teh minute ronnie turn around
2000 - ronnie again. No competitor rocked up in awesome shape that year so the incumbent gets it
2001 - too close to call. I'd say he got a gift but then cutler couldnt match the back poses. Unfortunatly for jay this was the best hes been and ever since
2002 - Ronnie again! Levrone was in great shape no doubt but unfortunatly for him a shadow of his mid nineties form, largely down to his declining quads
2003 - Undisputed. Please no one picth dexter jackson
2004 - Ronnie by virtue of a poor lineup#
2005 - similar argument as 2004

So really he's had only one gift and that was the 2001 when he effectively won on the basis of the individual posing and posedown round. Not as some would make it out, ie, hes had the most gifts of any mro. It makes me laugh cos these same critics shy away when asked to present an alternative winner (you know who you are ND)

I AGREE, I THINK IN 2001 IT WAS CLOSE, RONNIE WAS WAAAAY OFF AND JAY WAS ON, RONNIE STILL DESTROYED JAY FROM THE BACK THOUGH AND CAME CLOSE FROM THE FRONT ALL IN ALL RONNIE WON.   BUT IF IT REALLY WAS SUPER CLOSE, RONNIE SHOULD BE GIVEN THE WIN JUST BECAUSE HES WAS THE REIGNING MR OLYMPIA, IF ITS CLOSE THEN GO WITH THE MR OLYMPIA I DONT SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

[Hulkster]

so it is settled then: ronnie only got one (or at most 2) gifts.

That would be about as many as Haney got.

Yates? well, we all know about 94 and 97. I also thought that Ray should have won in 1996 as well.  So Yates has at least 3.

Which is greater than 2

Isn't it ironic that ND claims that Ronnie has had more gifts than any other Mr. O. when in fact even his hero and anal friend Dorian Yates has had MORE?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

[Hulkster]

ps I am not the only one who though that Ray should have won in 1996. If I recall, at the time, the contest was very controversial.  Ray showed up shaved headed and in super ripped shape. Yates was just Yates- soft quads, wide waist,  torn muscles and all.

[willl]

hulkster ur taking the words right away fropm my mouth!!

well defended bro

this topic is yours

[Hulkster]

hulkster ur taking the words right away fropm my mouth!!

well defended bro

this topic is yours

as are most topics that I post in!

[George Whorewell]

oh god lead it to hulkster to hijack this thread with his homoerotic obsession with Coleman being good and his equally gay homoerotic obessesion with Yates being bad. Stay tuned for the same fucking pictures of coleman and yates to be posted over and over and over again.  Dude why dont you just start your own coleman muscle worship site message board- That way you could hijack every single thread on a message board with around the clock monotonous ass worship ode's to coleman.

[Hulkster]

oh god lead it to hulkster to hijack this thread with his homoerotic obsession with Coleman being good and his equally gay homoerotic obessesion with Yates being bad. Stay tuned for the same fucking pictures of coleman and yates to be posted over and over and over again.  Dude why dont you just start your own coleman muscle worship site message board- That way you could hijack every single thread on a message board with around the clock monotonous ass worship ode's to coleman.

I suppose you think it is possible to discuss Mr. Olympia gift placings without mentioning Coleman and Yates? 

If you want to talk about Larry Scott's gift placings, go to ironage.

[Stavios]

Jay is overrated. Not as much as the Supreme Ruler of All Overratedness, Dorian Yates, but still overrated none the less

that was funny 

[GMCtrk]

how this is "overrated" I don't know...



his back looks hard as nails...

As well, if it wasn't for Dorian's injuries, it can be said that Ronnie wouldn't have become Mr. O until 2003 if ever. Ronnie only weighed 247 at the 98O. Dorian would have been at least 20 maybe 25 lbs heavier, would have been lights out for ronnie.

[Stavios]

how this is "overrated" I don't know...



his back looks hard as nails...

As well, if it wasn't for Dorian's injuries, it can be said that Ronnie wouldn't have become Mr. O until 2003 if ever. Ronnie only weighed 247 at the 98O. Dorian would have been at least 20 maybe 25 lbs heavier, would have been lights out for ronnie.

Damn !
I never saw dorian in person and in the competitions pics I didn't understood what was so special about his condition. But that pic say it all: shredded as shredded can be

[Hulkster]

agreed- that back double bi is awesome - but it seldom looked that detailed.  Dorian is overrated not so much because of his back (and of course his calves were amazing) its the rest of him that is the problem

Now, back to our discussion of post 98 quality declines and Mr. O. gift placings.

oh god lead it to hulkster to hijack this thread with his homoerotic obsession with Coleman being good and his equally gay homoerotic obessesion with Yates being bad. Stay tuned for the same fucking pictures of coleman and yates to be posted over and over and over again.  Dude why dont you just start your own coleman muscle worship site message board- That way you could hijack every single thread on a message board with around the clock monotonous ass worship ode's to coleman.

 people take message boards way, way too seriously.

everyone relax and have fun.

If you have a "meltdown" about what people are posting on a bb message board, you have bigger issues than worrying about seeing too many coleman pics.

[Hulkster]

that pic is only a biceps or two away from being the best dorian pic I have ever seen. What contest was that from? he looks great in that shot.

[pumpster]

You CAN'T say Ron received gifts without also mentioned previous gifts to Schwarzenegger, Columbu, Haney, Yates and others. The same guy Weider's running the show with the same way of thinking.

Stop fooling yourselves-either all of them got gifts, or none of them.

The downfall started with Yates and the powerlifter look. Yates had great density and conditioning but equally serious flaws.

[Sean-DeMarco]

1994 Olympia was the turning point...


that was the first contest where the huge, powerlifter type physique, complete with gut and torn muscles, defeated a career best shape shawn ray, all because shawn was "smaller"

....Wow, peep out the small symetrical waist!! 

[pumpster]

That waist is as bad as anything with Ron, without a great taper to compensate.

[NarcissisticDeity]

so it is settled then: ronnie only got one (or at most 2) gifts.

That would be about as many as Haney got.

Yates? well, we all know about 94 and 97. I also thought that Ray should have won in 1996 as well.  So Yates has at least 3.

Which is greater than 2

Isn't it ironic that ND claims that Ronnie has had more gifts than any other Mr. O. when in fact even his hero and anal friend Dorian Yates has had MORE?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Yates in 97 was a gift , Yates in 94 was not , no one complained about Dorian's win in 94 , and even Shawn Ray said he got the place he deserved so on paper Yates got one gift and Coleman got a gift in 98 by virtue of ripped glutes & tigher hams , 2001 he got a  huge gift and you can make a hard case for Levrone in 2000 and 2002 , but either way Coleman has many more close calls so who is overrated? 

[pumpster]

Desperately trying to backpeddle, now to who had more close calls.

[MisterGX]

ps I am not the only one who though that Ray should have won in 1996. If I recall, at the time, the contest was very controversial.  Ray showed up shaved headed and in super ripped shape. Yates was just Yates- soft quads, wide waist,  torn muscles and all.

More flat looking than anything else.  Definitely, Shawn should have won in '96.  What do you think about Dorian's first Mr. O victory in '92.  Another one of Shawn's best conditions, and they placed him fourth.  He definitely should have been second ahead of Levrone.  Personally, I thought he should have won that Mr. O.