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You think you know history?
« on: October 15, 2013, 01:11:46 AM »
Think again ..

Here's to my american patriotic friends who think their government is a bunch of good people who fight hard in order to keep the country great  :-\

Warning : not for the faint of heart (true history makes liveleak seem like nickelodeon)

"Once again, it's time to celebrate Columbus Day. Yet, the stunning truth is: If Christopher Columbus were alive today, he would be put on trial for crimes against humanity. Columbus' reign of terror, as documented by noted historians, was so bloody, his legacy so unspeakably cruel, that Columbus makes a modern villain like Saddam Hussein look like a pale codfish.

Question: Why do we honor a man who, if he were alive today, would almost certainly be sitting on Death Row awaiting execution?

If you'd like to know the true story about Christopher Columbus, please read on. But I warn you, it's not for the faint of heart.

Here's the basics. On the second Monday in October each year, we celebrate Columbus Day (this year, it's on October 11th). We teach our school kids a cute little song that goes: "In 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue." It's an American tradition, as American as pizza pie. Or is it? Surprisingly, the true story of Christopher Columbus has very little in common with the myth we all learned in school.

Columbus Day, as we know it in the United States, was invented by the Knights of Columbus, a Catholic fraternal service organization. Back in the 1930s, they were looking for a Catholic hero as a role-model their kids could look up to. In 1934, as a result of lobbying by the Knights of Columbus, Congress and President Franklin Roosevelt signed Columbus Day into law as a federal holiday to honor this courageous explorer. Or so we thought.

There are several problems with this. First of all, Columbus wasn't the first European to discover America. As we all know, the Viking, Leif Ericson probably founded a Norse village on Newfoundland some 500 years earlier. So, hat's off to Leif. But if you think about it, the whole concept of discovering America is, well, arrogant. After all, the Native Americans discovered North America about 14,000 years before Columbus was even born! Surprisingly, DNA evidence now suggests that courageous Polynesian adventurers sailed dugout canoes across the Pacific and settled in South America long before the Vikings.

Second, Columbus wasn't a hero. When he set foot on that sandy beach in the Bahamas on October 12, 1492, Columbus discovered that the islands were inhabited by friendly, peaceful people called the Lucayans, Taínos and Arawaks. Writing in his diary, Columbus said they were a handsome, smart and kind people. He noted that the gentle Arawaks were remarkable for their hospitality. "They offered to share with anyone and when you ask for something, they never say no," he said. The Arawaks had no weapons; their society had neither criminals, prisons nor prisoners. They were so kind-hearted that Columbus noted in his diary that on the day the Santa Maria was shipwrecked, the Arawaks labored for hours to save his crew and cargo. The native people were so honest that not one thing was missing.

Columbus was so impressed with the hard work of these gentle islanders, that he immediately seized their land for Spain and enslaved them to work in his brutal gold mines. Within only two years, 125,000 (half of the population) of the original natives on the island were dead.

If I were a Native American, I would mark October 12, 1492, as a black day on my calendar.

Shockingly, Columbus supervised the selling of native girls into sexual slavery. Young girls of the ages 9 to 10 were the most desired by his men. In 1500, Columbus casually wrote about it in his log. He said: "A hundred castellanoes are as easily obtained for a woman as for a farm, and it is very general and there are plenty of dealers who go about looking for girls; those from nine to ten are now in demand."

He forced these peaceful natives work in his gold mines until they died of exhaustion. If an "Indian" worker did not deliver his full quota of gold dust by Columbus' deadline, soldiers would cut off the man's hands and tie them around his neck to send a message. Slavery was so intolerable for these sweet, gentle island people that at one point, 100 of them committed mass suicide. Catholic law forbade the enslavement of Christians, but Columbus solved this problem. He simply refused to baptize the native people of Hispaniola.

On his second trip to the New World, Columbus brought cannons and attack dogs. If a native resisted slavery, he would cut off a nose or an ear. If slaves tried to escape, Columbus had them burned alive. Other times, he sent attack dogs to hunt them down, and the dogs would tear off the arms and legs of the screaming natives while they were still alive. If the Spaniards ran short of meat to feed the dogs, Arawak babies were killed for dog food.

Columbus' acts of cruelty were so unspeakable and so legendary - even in his own day - that Governor Francisco De Bobadilla arrested Columbus and his two brothers, slapped them into chains, and shipped them off to Spain to answer for their crimes against the Arawaks. But the King and Queen of Spain, their treasury filling up with gold, pardoned Columbus and let him go free.

One of Columbus' men, Bartolome De Las Casas, was so mortified by Columbus' brutal atrocities against the native peoples, that he quit working for Columbus and became a Catholic priest. He described how the Spaniards under Columbus' command cut off the legs of children who ran from them, to test the sharpness of their blades. According to De Las Casas, the men made bets as to who, with one sweep of his sword, could cut a person in half. He says that Columbus' men poured people full of boiling soap. In a single day, De Las Casas was an eye witness as the Spanish soldiers dismembered, beheaded, or raped 3000 native people. "Such inhumanities and barbarisms were committed in my sight as no age can parallel," De Las Casas wrote. "My eyes have seen these acts so foreign to human nature that now I tremble as I write."

De Las Casas spent the rest of his life trying to protect the helpless native people. But after a while, there were no more natives to protect. Experts generally agree that before 1492, the population on the island of Hispaniola probably numbered above 3 million. Within 20 years of Spanish arrival, it was reduced to only 60,000. Within 50 years, not a single original native inhabitant could be found.

In 1516, Spanish historian Peter Martyr wrote: "... a ship without compass, chart, or guide, but only following the trail of dead Indians who had been thrown from the ships could find its way from the Bahamas to Hispaniola."

Christopher Columbus derived most of his income from slavery, De Las Casas noted. In fact, Columbus was the first slave trader in the Americas. As the native slaves died off, they were replaced with black slaves. Columbus' son became the first African slave trader in 1505.

Are you surprised you never learned about any of this in school? I am too. Why do we have this extraordinary gap in our American ethos? Columbus himself kept detailed diaries, as did some of his men including De Las Casas and Michele de Cuneo. (If you don't believe me, just Google the words Columbus, sex slave, and gold mine.)

Columbus' reign of terror is one of the darkest chapters in our history. The REAL question is: Why do we celebrate a holiday in honor of this man? (Take three deep breaths. If you're like me, your stomach is heaving at this point. I'm sorry. Sometimes the truth hurts. That said, I'd like to turn in a more positive direction.)

Call me crazy, but I think holidays ought to honor people who are worthy of our admiration, true heroes who are positive role models for our children. If we're looking for heroes we can truly admire, I'd like to offer a few candidates. Foremost among them are school kids.

Let me tell you about some school kids who are changing the world. I think they are worthy of a holiday. My friend Nan Peterson is the director of the Blake School, a K-12 school in Minnesota. She recently visited Kenya. Nan says there are 33 million people in Kenya... and 11 million of them are orphans! Can you imagine that? She went to Kibera, the slum outside Nairobi, and a boy walked up to her and handed her a baby. He said: My father died. My mother died... and I'm not feeling so good myself. Here, take my sister. If I die, they will throw her into the street to die.

There are so many orphans in Kenya, the baby girls are throwaways!

Nan visited an orphanage for girls. The girls were starving to death. They had one old cow that only gave one cup of milk a day. So each girl only got ONE TEASPOON of milk a day!

After this heartbreaking experience, Nan went home to her school in Minnesota and asked the kids... what can we do? The kids got the idea to make homemade paper and sell it to buy a cow. So they made a bunch of paper, and sold the paper, and when they were done they had enough money to buy... FOUR COWS! And enough food to feed all of the cows for ONE FULL YEAR! These are kids... from 6 years old to 18... saving the lives of kids halfway around the world. And I thought: If a 6-year-old could do that... what could I do?

At Casady School in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, seemingly "average" school kids raised $20,000 to dig clean water wells for children in Ethiopia. These kids are heroes. Why don't we celebrate "Kids Who Are Changing the Planet" Day?

Let me ask you a question: Would we celebrate Columbus Day if the story of Christopher Columbus were told from the point-of-view of his victims? No way!

The truth about Columbus is going to be a hard pill for some folks to swallow. Please, don't think I'm picking on Catholics. All the Catholics I know are wonderful people. I don't want to take away their holiday or their hero. But if we're looking for a Catholic our kids can admire, the Catholic church has many, many amazing people we could name a holiday after. How about Mother Teresa day? Or St. Francis of Assisi day? Or Betty Williams day (another Catholic Nobel Peace Prize winner). These men and women are truly heroes of peace, not just for Catholics, but for all of us.

Let's come clean. Let's tell the truth about Christopher Columbus. Let's boycott this outrageous holiday because it honors a mass murderer. If we skip the cute song about "In 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue," I don't think our first graders will miss it much, do you? True, Columbus' brutal treatment of peaceful Native Americans was so horrific... maybe we should hide the truth about Columbus until our kids reach at least High School age. Let's teach it to them about the same time we tell them about the Nazi death camps.

While we're at it, let's rewrite our history books. From now on, instead of glorifying the exploits of mass murderers like Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Genghis Khan, and Napoleon Bonaparte.


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Re: You think you know history?
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2013, 01:54:14 AM »
I don't know anyone who "celebrates" Columbus day. But we do however reserve him a calendar day in which we acknowledge the significance and importance he had in our history.
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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2013, 01:59:36 AM »
I don't know anyone who "celebrates" Columbus day. But we do however reserve him a calendar day in which we acknowledge the significance and importance he had in our history.
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Re: You think you know history?
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2013, 02:01:10 AM »
You're probably a self-flagellating liberal fagget.
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Re: You think you know history?
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2013, 02:02:40 AM »
The Spaniards committed genocide in the Americas... ground breaking news ::)

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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2013, 02:03:10 AM »
The world is a fucked up place.  It's not all puppy dogs and ice cream.  The people that succeed are the ones who are willing to do whatever it takes.  Something tells me that brutality would be a valuable trait in 1492.  Fuck bitches.  Get money.

Let all the poor nobodies sit around and talk about how righteous they are.   

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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2013, 02:03:32 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2013, 02:04:15 AM »
The Spaniards committed genocide in the Americas... ground breaking news ::)

Tell me more about this 'colonialism' you speak of.
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Re: You think you know history?
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2013, 02:16:55 AM »
The world is a fucked up place.  It's not all puppy dogs and ice cream.  The people that succeed are the ones who are willing to do whatever it takes.  Something tells me that brutality would be a valuable trait in 1492.  Fuck bitches.  Get money.

Let all the poor nobodies sit around and talk about how righteous they are.   
columbus open the new world to Old World treachery...

It wasn't until they say the Mayans, did they realize "These people are just as effed up and blood thirsty as us"

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Re: You think you know history?
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2013, 02:23:14 AM »
columbus open the new world to Old World treachery...

It wasn't until they say the Mayans, did they realize "These people are just as effed up and blood thirsty as us"

I'm sayin'.  People have a lot of fantasies about the peace loving Native Americans.  The reality is that they were savages too, they just got out-savaged.

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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2013, 02:33:07 AM »
columbus open the new world to Old World treachery...

It wasn't until they say the Mayans, did they realize "These people are just as effed up and blood thirsty as us"
You guys have a lot to understand. Read the initial post.

This is typical american "reasoning".

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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2013, 02:40:52 AM »
I'm sayin'.  People have a lot of fantasies about the peace loving Native Americans.  The reality is that they were savages too, they just got out-savaged.
Believe it or not there are victims in this world. The conquistadors were the bad guys. Its ok to admit that.
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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2013, 02:48:01 AM »
You mentioned Mother Theresa and put her forward as a potential idol of worship but she was no saint according to Christopher Hitchens who labelled her a fraud.  In his book 'The Missionary Position: Mother Teresa in Theory and Practice' Hitchens primarily condemns Mother Teresa for redirecting contributions to open a global network of convents in place of building the teaching hospital she promised donors. He also makes direct claims that Mother Teresa was no "friend to the poor," and that she opposed structural measures to end poverty, particularly those that would raise the status of women. He argues she was a tool by which the Catholic Church furthered its political and theological aims, and the cult of personality that she developed was used by politicians, dictators and bankers to gain credibility and assuage guilt, citing Hillary Rodham Clinton, Charles Keating and Michèle Bennett as examples.

Hitchens portrays Mother Teresa's organization, the Missionaries of Charity, as a cult which promoted the suffering of those under its care rather than helping those in need. He argues that Teresa's own words on poverty proved that her intention was not to actively end suffering, citing a 1981 press conference in which she was asked: "Do you teach the poor to endure their lot?" and responded, "I think it is very beautiful for the poor to accept their lot, to share it with the passion of Christ. I think the world is being much helped by the suffering of the poor people.

Hitchens details Mother Teresa's relationships with wealthy and corrupt individuals including Haitian dictator Jean-Claude Duvalier and his wife Michèle Duvalier, enigmatic quasi-religious figure John-Roger, and disgraced former financial executive Charles Keating. Hitchens argues that her support for unscrupulous figures contradicts the alleged humanitarianism of her work.

The book includes the reproduction of a letter written by Mother Teresa on behalf of Charles Keating to Judge Lance Ito who was presiding over Keating's trial for defrauding his investors of billions of dollars. The letter urged the judge to consider the fact that Keating had donated generously ($1.25 million) to the Missionaries of Charity and suggested that Judge Ito "look into [his] heart" and "do what Jesus would do."

Hitchens also includes the contents of a letter written to Mother Teresa by the man prosecuting the case against Keating, Deputy District Attorney for Los Angeles Paul Turley. In the letter, Mr. Turley pointed out to Mother Teresa that Keating was on trial for stealing more than $250 million from over 17,000 investors in his business. In addition, Turley expresses his opinion that "[n]o church, no charity, no organization should allow itself to be used as a salve for the conscience of the criminal" and suggests:

"Ask yourself what Jesus would do if he were given the fruits of a crime; what Jesus would do if he were in possession of money that had been stolen; what Jesus would do if he were being exploited by a thief to ease his conscience? I submit that Jesus would promptly and unhesitatingly return the stolen property to its rightful owners. You should do the same. You have been given money by Mr. Keating that he has been convicted of stealing by fraud. Do not permit him the 'indulgence' he desires. Do not keep the money. Return it to those who worked for it and earned it! If you contact me I will put you in direct contact with the rightful owners of the property now in your possession."

After the conclusion of the letter, Hitchens notes: "Mr. Turley has received no reply to his letter. Nor can anyone account for the missing money: saints, it seems, are immune to audit."

THERE ARE NO SAINTS OR HEROES - PEOPLE ALWAYS ACT OUT OF SELF INTEREST EVEN WHEN HELPING OTHERS, THEY ARE DOING IT BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THEY ARE ALSO BENEFITTING  !  WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, THE FOUNDATION OF YOUR NATION, NO MATTER HOW CRUEL AND DESPOTIC IS THE VERY REASON YOU ARE WHERE YOU ARE TODAY?
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Re: You think you know history?
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2013, 02:51:48 AM »
Great post E-kul .. is good to see getbiggers whith their heads out of their asses.

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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2013, 03:09:36 AM »
Great post E-kul .. is good to see getbiggers whith their heads out of their asses.
I do agree with the sentiment of your initial post though, the Country I live in was also founded by genocidal maniacs. I just wonder if there is actually any human really worth emulating or idolising.   I like to believe that everyone's SHIT stinks !
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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2013, 03:15:13 AM »
I do agree with the sentiment of your initial post though, the Country I live in was also founded by genocidal maniacs. I just wonder if there is actually any human really worth emulating or idolising.   I like to believe that everyone's SHIT stinks !
the ones to emulate will never be very "public" .. they promote their own


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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2013, 03:25:12 AM »
Believe it or not there are victims in this world. The conquistadors were the bad guys. Its ok to admit that.

Of course there are victims.  All types of people on every continent have been victimized at one time or another.  However, here in the real world, nobody gives a shit.  The strong survive and the weak get buried in shallow graves.  Shit happens.

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« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2013, 03:25:42 AM »
the ones to emulate will never be very "public" .. they promote their own


Agreed, anyone worth emulating you never hear about, normally just some humble hard working dude who lives a simple life and helps those around him as much as he can.  The type of bloke that is invisible the the self centred majority. The type of bloke worth emulating would shun any public praise or being held up as an example I believe.
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Re: You think you know history?
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2013, 03:29:27 AM »
Nice post sev. Its like mothere teresa she wasnt a saint but a self centred witch that didnt give a shit about the people she said she cared for so much. Most of the money she raised to the poor she kept herself

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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2013, 03:36:21 AM »
To the vast majority, the thought that their politicians, heads of state, heads of churches, heads of the industries are nothing but programmed pedofiles and murderers with no regard to human life or the well being of the people is unfathomable.

Tell your average Joe that the VATICAN does ritual blood sacrifice and pedofilia behind close doors like all other "major religions" and they will say you are nuts. But the evidence is all over the place. However, people refuse to dig for themselves and accept the official version then go back to talking about Miley Cyrus twerking and Bimmers.

You are outrage about a murderer rapist in the news? The people who pass the laws used to convict him are much much worse than him. And so on...

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« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2013, 03:52:06 AM »
I don't know anyone who "celebrates" Columbus day. But we do however reserve him a calendar day in which we acknowledge the significance and importance he had in our history.

Yeah, this.  Nobody thinks he was a hero or saint or anything, at least not past elementary school.

So he's got a day named after him. Big whoop...... schoolchildren get the day off.  Do you want us to protect in the streets or something? 

Not sure what the point of this thread is ???

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« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2013, 04:15:22 AM »
Sev, this is called colonialism..the victors are the ones that write the history books.

Questions, for you... Why did the Roman's called their enemies barbarians? where they less civilized, lacked culture and ran around eating their young?  or was it a political term thrown around to paint a picture for the masses to repeat and feel good about paying taxes to fund the army and maintain the status quo?

every country does this, even Romania.  ::)


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Re: You think you know history?
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2013, 04:31:33 AM »
Wait, wait, wait,  clearly you are mistaken Spaniards couldn't possibly be responsible for all that genocide, surely you must be confusing them with the Angelo-Saxons.  They are clearly the ones responsible for all the atrocities of mankind, just ask your average African-American.

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« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2013, 04:41:21 AM »
I do agree with the sentiment of your initial post though, the Country I live in was also founded by genocidal maniacs. I just wonder if there is actually any human really worth emulating or idolising.   I like to believe that everyone's SHIT stinks !


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« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2013, 04:44:36 AM »
Wait, wait, wait,  clearly you are mistaken Spaniards couldn't possibly be responsible for all that genocide, surely you must be confusing them with the Angelo-Saxons.  They are clearly the ones responsible for all the atrocities of mankind, just ask your average African-American.

They were white Spaniards.