01-02-06: Any pics of Craig & Kelly's house

[Neve]

Good point. Seeing that Craig and Kelly were on/in numerous magazines and covers, with several "good" sponsors over their careers, goes to show that there really is no money in this sport. Any other sport with that kind of sponsorship would be much more lucrative. I can almost guarantee that the new up a coming UFC guys with sponsorship form companies like Zyience, etc. are making more than most bodybuilders. It must really be depressing for these BB's that are seriously thinking this sport is going to take care of them.

1 top mma fighter is making 6 almost 7 figs from Zyience

[shutupandtrain88]

  The Master Bedroom is still a work in progress.  As you can see the foyer is big and gives you a secure feeling and the master bath is absolutely beautiful with stainless countertop and bowl

This could be the absolute best post of the whole mess!!!

[Norton]

1 top mma fighter is making 6 almost 7 figs from Zyience

HORSESHIT!

[Special Ed]

Neve,

You've made some interesting posts that made me think you have some unique insight, but with that last post, you've lost all credibility. No supplement company would pay a MMA fighter anything close to a million bucks to endorse their product. I think even six figures is a stretch. After all, why would Chuck Lidell's lack of a physique inspire ANYONE to use XYIENCE?

Special "You had me at  You" Ed

[WeightPSHR]

Neve,

You've made some interesting posts that made me think you have some unique insight, but with that last post, you've lost all credibility. No supplement company would pay a MMA fighter anything close to a million bucks to endorse their product. I think even six figures is a stretch. After all, why would Chuck Lidell's lack of a physique inspire ANYONE to use XYIENCE?

Special "You had me at f**k You" Ed

I don't think Xyience is paying millions, but you can be pretty sure he is making at least six. Chuck Liddell is reported to have made $2.7 million in fights and endorsements in '05. He only had a couple of fights and the Ultimate Fighter show. It is obvious he is making good money form some of his endorsements.

[Special Ed]

I don't think Xyience is paying millions, but you can be pretty sure he is making at least six. Chuck Liddell is reported to have made $2.7 million in fights and endorsements in '05. He only had a couple of fights and the Ultimate Fighter show. It is obvious he is making good money form some of his endorsements.

Hey Cracksmoker,

Reported by whom? Here's the official payouts from the Nevada State Athletic Commission for UFC 54, which featured Lidell v. Horn.  Put down the crackpipe and read on...

UFC #54 Fight Purses

-Randy Couture: $225,000 ($150,000 for fighting, $75,000 win bonus)
-Chuck Liddell: $160,000 ($80,000 for fighting; $80,000 win bonus)
-Tim Sylvia: $80,000 ($40,000 for fighting; $40,000 win bonus)
-Matt Lindland: $30,000 ($15,000 for fighting; $15,000 win bonus)
-Georges St. Pierre: $28,000 ($13,000 for fighting; $15,000 win bonus)
-Jeremy Horn: $25,000 ($25,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $25,000)
-Diego Sanchez: $24,000 ($12,000 for fighting; $12,000 win bonus)
-Mike Van Arsdale: $15,000 ($15,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $15,000)
-Frank Trigg: $14,000 ($14,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $14,000)
-Tra Telligman: $9,000 ($9,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $9,000)
-James Irvin: $6,000 ($3,000 for fighting, $3,000 win bonus)
-Trevor Prangley: $6,000 ($3,000 for fighting, $3,000 win bonus)
-Joe Doerksen: $5,000 ($5,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $5,000)
-Travis Lutter: $4,000 ($4,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $4,000)
-Brian Gassaway: $2,000 ($2,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $2,000)
-Terry Martin: $2,000 ($2,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $2,000)

Total Fighter Payroll: $635,000 (average of $3,688 per fighter)

Source: MMAWeekly. The Nevada state laws dictate that any sanctioned fighting contest in the state must disclose the fighter's purses to the public. This is all public info, and many sites, like MMAWeekly, post the info as it comes out.

[WeightPSHR]

Hey Cracksmoker,

Reported by whom? Here's the official payouts from the Nevada State Athletic Commission for UFC 54, which featured Lidell v. Horn.  Put down the crackpipe and read on...

UFC #54 Fight Purses

-Randy Couture: $225,000 ($150,000 for fighting, $75,000 win bonus)
-Chuck Liddell: $160,000 ($80,000 for fighting; $80,000 win bonus)
-Tim Sylvia: $80,000 ($40,000 for fighting; $40,000 win bonus)
-Matt Lindland: $30,000 ($15,000 for fighting; $15,000 win bonus)
-Georges St. Pierre: $28,000 ($13,000 for fighting; $15,000 win bonus)
-Jeremy Horn: $25,000 ($25,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $25,000)
-Diego Sanchez: $24,000 ($12,000 for fighting; $12,000 win bonus)
-Mike Van Arsdale: $15,000 ($15,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $15,000)
-Frank Trigg: $14,000 ($14,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $14,000)
-Tra Telligman: $9,000 ($9,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $9,000)
-James Irvin: $6,000 ($3,000 for fighting, $3,000 win bonus)
-Trevor Prangley: $6,000 ($3,000 for fighting, $3,000 win bonus)
-Joe Doerksen: $5,000 ($5,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $5,000)
-Travis Lutter: $4,000 ($4,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $4,000)
-Brian Gassaway: $2,000 ($2,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $2,000)
-Terry Martin: $2,000 ($2,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $2,000)

Total Fighter Payroll: $635,000 (average of $3,688 per fighter)

Source: MMAWeekly. The Nevada state laws dictate that any sanctioned fighting contest in the state must disclose the fighter's purses to the public. This is all public info, and many sites, like MMAWeekly, post the info as it comes out.

Ok...go ahead and take a seat and shut your mouth while I quickly school you on a few things......

1. Did you read my post? or maybe you had forgot what it said by the time you finished reading it. I said Chuck Liddell is reported to have made $2.7 million in fights and endorsements in '05.

2. Thanks for validating my point further. Seeing that he really didn't make that much fighting would generally mean he is making quite a bit in endorsements? Agreed?

3. You would have to agree that you were wrong stating that it would be unbelievable for him to be making six figures from Zyience. I will agree seven figures is most likely a little hard to believe.

4. Please realize that I would not post B.S. off the top of my head. Remember I am the teacher you are the student. Please Read:

UFC headliners such as Arlovski, Chuck Liddell, and Randy Couture have become breakout stars. Liddell will earn $2.7 million this year including endorsements, according to White's calculation. Mainstream media outlets are paying attention as well. White recently appeared on "Dr. Phil," hard on the heels of a Time magazine feature on ultimate fighting.

Source: Boston Globe Nov. 2005 reposted here  http://www.bullshido.net/forums/printthread.php?threadid=29421

Now class is over. Please check your facts before trying to call your teacher out. Or better yet try and understand what you are reading next time 

[Neve]

chuck is making 6+ figs from nutrition products.

ed i can care less if you believe me or not. you're nothing to me. i stated a fact and to top it off throw a hummer H2 and 2.7 million w/ it for 06'. class over.

[Norton]

chuck is making 6+ figs from nutrition products.

ed i can care less if you believe me or not. you're nothing to me. i stated a fact and to top it off throw a hummer H2 and 2.7 million w/ it for 06'. class over.

Yeah, and you believe in the tooth ferry I suppose.

[Motorbreath]

Yeah, and you believe in the tooth ferry I suppose.

Joe Rogan made the comment at UFC 54, "there is a ton of pressure on the fight w/ Jeremy Horn for Liddel, due to the fact that ZYIENCE is paying chuck 1 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR"

Why would Rogan make this up, and millions of 16-35 year olds that watch UFC shows, will buy the stuff BECUASE CHUCK USES IT........It's like Triple-H w/ BSN.

These guys are SO MUCH more marketable to the mainstreem than an IFBB Pro.

Unless you follow pro BB religously........no one knows the IFBB pro's.   

[Neve]

Yeah, and you believe in the tooth ferry I suppose.

i norton " ZYIENCE is paying chuck 1 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR"

watch tv

[Norton]

Joe Rogan made the comment at UFC 54, "there is a ton of pressure on the fight w/ Jeremy Horn for Liddel, due to the fact that ZYIENCE is paying chuck 1 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR"

Why would Rogan make this up, and millions of 16-35 year olds that watch UFC shows, will buy the stuff BECUASE CHUCK USES IT........It's like Triple-H w/ BSN.

These guys are SO MUCH more marketable to the mainstreem than an IFBB Pro.

Unless you follow pro BB religously........no one knows the IFBB pro's.   

Isn't Joe Rogan a comedian?

It's called hype. There is no way Zyience can afford to pay this guy that kind of money. They probably don't even sell a million dollars worth of product in one year.

You are simply going to have to back this up with a little more than just senseless commentary.

[onlyme]

Are you saying there is NO tooth fairy?

[Norton]

Are you saying there is NO tooth fairy?

Well, there is if you ask Neve.

[bigdumbbell]

Are you saying there is NO tooth fairy?

no  but jonah and the whale did happen   ;-)

[Neve]

Isn't Joe Rogan a comedian?

It's called hype. There is no way Zyience can afford to pay this guy that kind of money. They probably don't even sell a million dollars worth of product in one year.

You are simply going to have to back this up with a little more than just senseless commentary.

sigh they have not even been in biz a yr. they had money backing them to start.

chuck make a mill ticket a yr on sups.

just know that.

[Norton]

sigh they have not even been in biz a yr. they had money backing them to start.

chuck make a mill ticket a yr on sups.

just know that.

 . . . . . . he don't

[mem]

This could be the absolute best post of the whole mess!!!

2nd that one . . .

onlyme has (lately) exhibited
genuinely  t w i s t e d  thinking
that I get - even more scary.

[Special Ed]

Dearest CRAPSHR and Neve(rmindanythingIsay)

If you guys are dumb enough to believe Joe Rogan, then I guess you also believed that Paul Dillett was making 32 Million on his old endorsement deal too!

As for Triple H's deal with Barmensen, isn't it enough said that Barmensen welched on their deal with Levrone for HFR? They couldn't afford to pay Levrone, so now they're gonna do the same stunt with Triple H. Get his likeness out there on some commercials and ads, and then stop the checks in 4 months.

Even if we assume that Chuck is making a MILLION DOLLARS promoting a product designed to make you look like a beer-guzzling Monday Night Football fan, considering that he made less than $300,000 fighting in 2005, WHERE IS THE REMAINING 1.4 MILLION in ENDORSEMENTS??

Let me guess, he's also getting a MILLION from COBB28 right?

You morons are so stupid and gullible, it's laughable.

If the Nevada State AC didn't release the purses for the UFC, Joe Rogan would be telling you that "Lidell is risking a $5,000,000 payday by taking on Jeremy Horn" and you dumb schmucks would believe him.

Those who can't do, teach.

Special "IQ 82" Ed

[Neve]

Dearest CRAPSHR and Neve(rmindanythingIsay)

If you guys are dumb enough to believe Joe Rogan, then I guess you also believed that Paul Dillett was making 32 Million on his old endorsement deal too!

As for Triple H's deal with Barmensen, isn't it enough said that Barmensen welched on their deal with Levrone for HFR? They couldn't afford to pay Levrone, so now they're gonna do the same stunt with Triple H. Get his likeness out there on some commercials and ads, and then stop the checks in 4 months.

Even if we assume that Chuck is making a MILLION DOLLARS promoting a product designed to make you look like a beer-guzzling Monday Night Football fan, considering that he made less than $300,000 fighting in 2005, WHERE IS THE REMAINING 1.4 MILLION in ENDORSEMENTS??

Let me guess, he's also getting a MILLION from COBB28 right?

You morons are so stupid and gullible, it's laughable.

If the Nevada State AC didn't release the purses for the UFC, Joe Rogan would be telling you that "Lidell is risking a $5,000,000 payday by taking on Jeremy Horn" and you dumb schmucks would believe him.

Those who can't do, teach.

Special "IQ 82" Ed

ed how much do you think he made from The Ultimate Fighter tv show ? + his 3 sup products + his clothing line + fighting.

[TonyNuthian]

onlyme, you're rotten. Very funny but still rotten.

Hey... I know that sink!

[WeightPSHR]

Dearest CRAPSHR and Neve(rmindanythingIsay)

If you guys are dumb enough to believe Joe Rogan, then I guess you also believed that Paul Dillett was making 32 Million on his old endorsement deal too!

As for Triple H's deal with Barmensen, isn't it enough said that Barmensen welched on their deal with Levrone for HFR? They couldn't afford to pay Levrone, so now they're gonna do the same stunt with Triple H. Get his likeness out there on some commercials and ads, and then stop the checks in 4 months.

Even if we assume that Chuck is making a MILLION DOLLARS promoting a product designed to make you look like a beer-guzzling Monday Night Football fan, considering that he made less than $300,000 fighting in 2005, WHERE IS THE REMAINING 1.4 MILLION in ENDORSEMENTS??

Let me guess, he's also getting a MILLION from COBB28 right?

You morons are so stupid and gullible, it's laughable.

If the Nevada State AC didn't release the purses for the UFC, Joe Rogan would be telling you that "Lidell is risking a $5,000,000 payday by taking on Jeremy Horn" and you dumb schmucks would believe him.

Those who can't do, teach.

Special "IQ 82" Ed

Ed....

Please tell me where I used Joe Rogan as a credible source? Please let me know where I stated that Chuck is makng a mil off of Xyeience?

Please refer here again:

3. You would have to agree that you were wrong stating that it would be unbelievable for him to be making six figures from Zyience. I will agree seven figures is most likely a little hard to believe.

Source: Boston Globe Nov. 2005 reposted here  http://www.bullshido.net/forums/printthread.php?threadid=29421

I will also agree that Chuck may appear as a beer-guzzling Monday Night Football fan, but please understand that Bodybuilders are not the target market for Zyience. They are targeting the true PERFORMANCE athlete. Tell me this....Ronnie may appear more fit than Chuck, but who is truly more physically fit??? You know I have never seen Chuck or any UFC fighter puffing on oxygen BETWEEN rounds. I can't say the same for Ronnie.....(I know you have seen the pic.)

Next time....Please reference your facts a little better. When you type the crap you do with nothing to show for sources....well.....it's really just crap.

Till next time.....

[Special Ed]

PSHR,

Why you believe a piece that was spoonfed to a Boston Globe reporter is beyond comprehension. If you knew anything about PR and HYPE, you'd disregard EVERYTHING people say about how much money they make and ask for REAL REFERENCES.

But let's break down YOUR astute analysis: You admit that Chuck, in all likelihood, made less than $1,000,000 for his Xyience endorsement.  Let's compromise between my estimate ($100,000) and something ridiculous ($900,000) and stipulate to $500,000. And we know from NSAC records that he made about $300,000 fighting. So that's $800,000. If you know anything about television, you'd know that reality shows don't pay crap, but let's give Lidell (and you) a huge benefit of the doubt and say he made another $200,000 from the show (which is completely absurd that Dana White would pay him more to host a show than to fight). Okay, so we have Lidell at ONE MILLION. That leaves 1.7 Million to be found somewhere....anywhere.  Clothing line??? Yeah, everywhere I go I see the Cobb28 logo, especially on MTV all the time. Not. Or is it those Iceman shirts I see all the top stars wearing in their videos? There's no place left unless he has a secret endorsement with Budweiser to promote a beer gut for 1.7 Million.

While we're at it, let's look at the Xyience deal. Through the use of Chuck as a spokesperson, who is this company selling to?? Weightlifters and bodybuilders? No. Fitness buffs? No. People who want to lose weight? No. Teenagers watching the UFC shows? Maybe, but then you have to ask why teenagers would buy a product from Chuck...

Because to sell a product, you need benefits and results. Through Chuck's endorsement, what are the benefits and results of Xyience? That it makes you a black belt? No. That it can help you knock out a guy? No. That it gives you superhuman strength that only shows up in the Octagon? No. That it makes you look like Chuck Lidell? Definitely not (Let's face it, Joe Rogan has a better physique than Chuck). That it gives you endurance so you don't tire out after going THREE ROUNDS?? Maybe, but then why would your average pimply-faced sixteen year old spend his money on a product that improves endurance? It all makes no sense.

Finally, most boxers are in better shape and built better than most UFCers. A big boxing show does 2-3 timesmore in PPV buys than a big UFC show. And yet despite greater exposure, no boxer has gotten anything approaching six-figures for endorsing a supplement. I know, I know, Chuck Lidell is more marketable than Oscar de la Hoya because the shaved-head, goatee, beergut look better represents mainstream america.

The fact is that Dana White must be a stakeholder in Xyience because the UFC is 100% of the promotion for this product line. Kind of like Musclemag did for Muscletech in the early days.

Anyway, other than your Boston Globe Gospel, I still don't see anything that remotely supports your belief. Debate on brother.

Special "Titus Fan" Ed

[onlyme]

He would be lucky if he recieved $2,500 a week for the Reality Show.  That would be pushing it. Sorry but cable based reality shows do not pay much in $'s

[WeightPSHR]

Ed....

Like I said before.....we could debate all day with your opinions and that is all you are giving here. I can almost guarantee that Dana White would not make a bold statement in the boston globe, knowingthat it would be a shocking admission that a lot of people are going to be questioning. I am not going to debate with your opinions. Boxing for example is poplular.... show me some proof that no boxer has EVER been paid six figures in an endorsement deal. I find that one real hard to beleive. I also never said that Chuck was making $900,000 from Zyience...all I said was that it would not be hard to believe that he is making at least six figures form Zyeince.

As far as Zyience...Yes I am sure there are a lot of teenagers wathcing the UFC, but one thing is certain.....Zyeince is being wathced on TV by millions every week on Spike TV during the Ultimate Fighter Show as well as PPV. Have you even seen the ratings..(try Google) Far more than any exposure from any sort of bodybuilding avenue.

Either way MMA is a huge sport. We can at least agree that it is far more popular than bodybuilding. How can you even compare a supplement company that advertises through a cult sport like bodybuilding. Don't get me wrong I love bodybuilding....but not many people do! I feel you see that no supplement company can pay as much as Zyience does, but that's probrably because you have never seen a supplement company that has had the exposure that Zyience has had....How many supplement company's do you see that advertise regularly in front of millions on TV?

So instead of discrediting my sources...try an find some proof to back up your crap opinions. I could post sources all day and you would find ways to weasel out.

One thing we can agree on is that you can be sure that the UFC and Zuffa/Dana White are definitely more than a little involved financially in the Zyience company.

All I ask is for a little more fact from you....prove yourself;)