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Re: Question for the guys that prefer low test cycles....
« Reply #50 on: December 05, 2013, 08:51:06 AM »
If you are a bodybuilder for a long time, just for not falling apart you'll need always MINIMUM 1mg of T per lb of bodyweight per week. Personally I need more (around 1,25). That is just for NOT FALLING APART.

For cruising (= holding on to as much muscle mass as possible and making a base for a later blast) that T base needs to be suppleted with a mild anabolic that has a good build up effect. EQ is ideal for that purpose. 600mg EW is a sweet spot for me and many others (slowly changing look, no sides, possible to take year round). D-bol even as little as 20mg ED will preserve fullness without giving sides. This cruise combo can be used year round, some less advanced guys even making nice solid gains on it.

Good enough for those who rather pursue a fitness physique then a bodybuilding physique. Note that this notion changed over time: Frank Zane would be considered a fitness physique today.

Don't think to quickly that you have a bodybuilding physique. I know a lot of tall 250lb guys that I call fitness physiques. Personally I prefer fitness physiques right now. Proportionally less back and trap thickness and less leg mass.

First time I've seen a calculation as to how much test is optimal for a person. Doesn't sound wrong or anything but I know everyone has individual preferences and some guys say they need a lot more to feel "good" while running other steroids. Good enough for me though and 1mg per lb works just fine.

I'm planning something like what you've described for the new year with the addition of a little npp or deca at 300-400 a week.
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Re: Question for the guys that prefer low test cycles....
« Reply #51 on: December 05, 2013, 03:53:34 PM »

Damn.... there's always variables that makes me wonder what is "safe" and what isn't. Like if I had not used topical minoxidil/azelaic acid with deca and low test would I have noticed hairloss?? ...was not on finasteride then but would it have made it worse?

If I had used a higher dose of anavar would I have noticed hair loss...40mg btw

tbol made my scalp itch and had I stayed on it longer would I have started to shed? 40mg again

Do I not respond to finasteride or was it bad quality since I did notice hairloss on 500mg of test...off the finasteride now btw.

Just take out the clippers and shave your head if you wanna avoid all this paranoia.... it'll drive you nuts.

some will have some shedding initially on fina... I've never used it because of fear of side effects (chemical castration, ect.. lol).

I've used dutastaride and was very pleased. stopped all shedding.

the only time I really noticed my hair getting 'thin' was when I was running huge amounts of T3 (unknowingly), in addition to huge doses of anadrol, tren and test (trying to hold onto mass I was losing because of the t3.. couldn't figure out why I was shrinking).

my hairs always been super-thick, and only goes back a lil on the temples.. but that's been very slow and gradual since I was 19/20..... nowhere near mark dugdale or ronny rockel territory yet though.

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Re: Question for the guys that prefer low test cycles....
« Reply #52 on: December 05, 2013, 05:27:55 PM »
some will have some shedding initially on fina... I've never used it because of fear of side effects (chemical castration, ect.. lol).

I've used dutastaride and was very pleased. stopped all shedding.

the only time I really noticed my hair getting 'thin' was when I was running huge amounts of T3 (unknowingly), in addition to huge doses of anadrol, tren and test (trying to hold onto mass I was losing because of the t3.. couldn't figure out why I was shrinking).

my hairs always been super-thick, and only goes back a lil on the temples.. but that's been very slow and gradual since I was 19/20..... nowhere near mark dugdale or ronny rockel territory yet though.

So you haven't noticed any increased shedding using deca with dutasteride?

And are there any bald men in your family or are you using the dutasteride just to be safe?
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Re: Question for the guys that prefer low test cycles....
« Reply #53 on: December 08, 2013, 12:26:15 AM »


my hairs always been super-thick, and only goes back a lil on the temples..

Lol, isn't that like being super skinny but with a fat ass stomach?

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Re: Question for the guys that prefer low test cycles....
« Reply #54 on: December 08, 2013, 05:42:25 AM »
Lol, isn't that like being super skinny but with a fat ass stomach?

As most of us age the hair line will go back a little. It gives you a more mature look and can add a bit of character depending on far it goes in. The following is just being in denial however...



They say a lot of the hairloss meds don't help with hair lines but people do experience regrowth in those areas. Using minox I started seeing some black hairs regrow in the temples. I'm like esf...always had super thick hair and now in my 30s I'm seeing it go back a little. I'm stage one as shown in the following chart and letting it get worse than this is just unacceptable for me.


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Re: Question for the guys that prefer low test cycles....
« Reply #55 on: December 08, 2013, 05:46:44 AM »
Falcons do not have this problem.

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Re: Question for the guys that prefer low test cycles....
« Reply #56 on: December 08, 2013, 05:52:27 AM »
Falcons do not have this problem.

He does...

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Re: Question for the guys that prefer low test cycles....
« Reply #57 on: December 08, 2013, 05:54:03 AM »
Damn, I was too busy looking at the hair I didn't notice how lean he's looking. Good for him.
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Re: Question for the guys that prefer low test cycles....
« Reply #58 on: December 08, 2013, 05:55:41 AM »
Damn, I was too busy looking at the hair I didn't notice how lean he's looking. Good for him.
Yes he has been running the court lately draining 3's burning off cals.

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Re: Question for the guys that prefer low test cycles....
« Reply #59 on: December 08, 2013, 06:00:46 AM »
Yes his has been running the court lately draining 3's burning off cals.

too bad he can't dunk @ 6 feet 6 inches tall BRUTAL!

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Re: Question for the guys that prefer low test cycles....
« Reply #60 on: December 08, 2013, 06:07:21 AM »
too bad he can't dunk @ 6 feet 6 inches tall BRUTAL!

LOL

And you'd think a falcon would be able to fly.
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Re: Question for the guys that prefer low test cycles....
« Reply #61 on: December 08, 2013, 06:15:10 AM »
LOL

And you'd think a falcon would be able to fly.

no shit man, he must have lots of slow twitch fibers in his lower body, either that or his legs are weak as fuck

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Re: Question for the guys that prefer low test cycles....
« Reply #62 on: December 08, 2013, 12:47:54 PM »
So you haven't noticed any increased shedding using deca with dutasteride?

And are there any bald men in your family or are you using the dutasteride just to be safe?

no shedding using dutast with deca.

I have one bald uncle.. typical 'bozo the clown' bald... on my dads side. he's about 6' and 310lbs.. huge belly. he's gotta be about 57 or so

another uncle's hairline goes back a bit at the temples, not to bad he's about 6'1" and 340lbs again HUGE belly, huge head/skull.. and the other uncle doesn't seem to have any receding or thinning. he's about 6' and down to about 280.. used to be A LOT fatter. they both around around 58-61yrs old.

uncle who passed away in his early 50's (about 25yrs ago at least) had a little receding at the temples.. he was 6'2" 300+... died of a heart attack.

uncle on my mothers side has a full head of hair. he's 6'5" and 'thin/muscular'. he's gotta be around 57yrs old.

my grandfather on my dads wide had hair when he died a few years ago at around 90yrs old.. thick up top, but receding at the temples. most his life he was 6'2+ and 320+ huge bones.. wrists and forearms looked like 2x4's, hands/fists like canned hams... typical Norwegian farmer.. strong as shit.

grandfather on my moms side had the same hair as my other grandfather, except he was about 5'9" and thinner. died of heart attack about 20yrs ago (he was an alcoholic).

my dad has full head of hair, except receding at temples. he's about 5'9" and thin (170 or so), at about 55/56 now.


my hair has always been super super thick, but it's gone back at the temples a few mm's over the past 10yrs or so.

just using the dutast as a precaution... I did notice what looked to be 'thinning' on the crown a year ago, but at the time I was using HUGE doses of t3 combined with high dose drol/tren/test and probably winstrol. (thought I was getting t4 in a small dose, turned out to be high dose t3) I believe the high dose t3 was responsible for the hairloss moreso than the anabolics.

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Re: Question for the guys that prefer low test cycles....
« Reply #63 on: December 08, 2013, 04:12:35 PM »
yeah man better to be safe...can't sit back with my arms crossed and watch it fall out. I take after my grandfather on my mother's side and he was one of those bad comb over dudes. I've seen pictures of him in his 20's and the guy had awesome hair..super thick with a great hair line. I don't know at what point it started falling out and I thought I wouldn't give a damn when older but I'm slowly getting there.
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Re: Question for the guys that prefer low test cycles....
« Reply #64 on: December 08, 2013, 04:59:59 PM »
yeah man better to be safe...can't sit back with my arms crossed and watch it fall out. I take after my grandfather on my mother's side and he was one of those bad comb over dudes. I've seen pictures of him in his 20's and the guy had awesome hair..super thick with a great hair line. I don't know at what point it started falling out and I thought I wouldn't give a damn when older but I'm slowly getting there.

It's been said before, but Dafoe has a kick-ass head o' hair. What are ya worried about?

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Re: Question for the guys that prefer low test cycles....
« Reply #65 on: December 08, 2013, 05:43:51 PM »
All that if your mom's bothers aren't bald stuff is bullshit, same with the if your mom's dad has hair you're good bs as well.  Has nothing to do with it.

Because their hair would be dependent on "their" moms brothers and/or their moms dad.  Therefore, your hair would be dependent on your grandmothers brother's and on and on.  Just isn't true.

Hair type(shaft thickness) has more to do with hair loss than anything.

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Re: Question for the guys that prefer low test cycles....
« Reply #66 on: December 08, 2013, 05:55:03 PM »
Falcon is looking diesel in that vid.  I might need to cut all dat der heme-iron out of my life now.  I look like a 10 lbs of shit in a 5 lb bag.  Dat heme-iron is to blame.   ??? ;)

The hairloss thing sucks.  I noticed less hairloss when i used Nizoral like someone said in another thread probably because it cuts back on oil production on the scalp.  I do have oily skin and it gets way worse on heavy gear cycles. 

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Re: Question for the guys that prefer low test cycles....
« Reply #67 on: December 08, 2013, 06:01:04 PM »
I've never used Nizoral. I've seen it on Amazon but never picked it up..

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Re: Question for the guys that prefer low test cycles....
« Reply #68 on: December 08, 2013, 06:01:54 PM »
As most of us age the hair line will go back a little. It gives you a more mature look and can add a bit of character depending on far it goes in. The following is just being in denial however...



They say a lot of the hairloss meds don't help with hair lines but people do experience regrowth in those areas. Using minox I started seeing some black hairs regrow in the temples. I'm like esf...always had super thick hair and now in my 30s I'm seeing it go back a little. I'm stage one as shown in the following chart and letting it get worse than this is just unacceptable for me.



im a solid stage 2 and half ;D

and guess what if they fall out oh well, it was a good 35 years run.fair enough 8)
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Re: Question for the guys that prefer low test cycles....
« Reply #69 on: December 08, 2013, 06:04:11 PM »


To all my steroid bord members up above...drunk as shit, very rare but happens from time to time!!!!

yeh aj, failcon is a demented bastid but we love him anyway, even though the hair line is getting choppy as fuck!!!

nica I dont know if that means from niggeragua but if it do ...respek for that much love!!

dago brah, we should kill ourselves if the her start falling out... I'm grwoing that shit out like joe mangiella you nah mean!~!!!

galeniklo you fuck !!!
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Re: Question for the guys that prefer low test cycles....
« Reply #70 on: December 08, 2013, 06:04:44 PM »
All that if your mom's bothers aren't bald stuff is bullshit, same with the if your mom's dad has hair you're good bs as well.  Has nothing to do with it.

Because their hair would be dependent on "their" moms brothers and/or their moms dad.  Therefore, your hair would be dependent on your grandmothers brother's and on and on.  Just isn't true.

Hair type(shaft thickness) has more to do with hair loss than anything.
yah, if humankind knew, thered be a "cure".

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Re: Question for the guys that prefer low test cycles....
« Reply #71 on: December 08, 2013, 06:07:10 PM »
hot air for a cool breeze!!!!
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Re: Question for the guys that prefer low test cycles....
« Reply #72 on: December 08, 2013, 06:15:09 PM »
hot air for a cool breeze!!!!
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Cut off!!!
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Re: Question for the guys that prefer low test cycles....
« Reply #73 on: December 10, 2013, 07:27:34 PM »
2CC test + 1CC  of whatever anabolic = my sweet spot.

Throw in some low dose oral and it's lights fuckin out  8)

I can't ever imagine going over 1g a week ever

Boldenone and nandrolone are 200mg/ml for me
Would 500/200 for equipoise really work well? Or is this strictly nandrolone?
What do you think about halving the test and doubling the anabolic for each?

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Re: Question for the guys that prefer low test cycles....
« Reply #74 on: December 10, 2013, 08:39:00 PM »
Boldenone and nandrolone are 200mg/ml for me
Would 500/200 for equipoise really work well? Or is this strictly nandrolone?
What do you think about halving the test and doubling the anabolic for each?

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Bro, I've very much new to this game, so I can only tell you what works for ME based on the handful of cycles I've run.

As stated before, I love 1-2CCs test with 1-2 CC nandrolone being my favorite. It's superior in every way for me when compared to EQ, mg for mg. I love my nandrolone. Only time this changes is if it's summe because EQ keeps me drier.

I always stay under 1g a week, usually Im around 700-750mgs total a week.

As stated, I'm still a rookie in many regards but this is my favorite method thus far.