Armed Guard Limited Deaths in Latest Colorado School Shooting

[tonymctones]

http://news.yahoo.com/colorado-school-shooting-armed-guards-answer-014500823.html

one thing is clear to law enforcement officials there: The presence of an armed deputy sheriff on regular duty at the school was the key factor in preventing more deaths and injuries.

As soon as he heard the first of five gunshots, that officer and the two school administrators he was talking to raced toward the commotion shouting their presence and ordering students and staff to follow the school’s lock-down protocol.

As a result, Arapahoe County Sheriff Grayson Robinson said at a briefing Saturday afternoon, the heavily-armed shooter realized he was about to be confronted by an armed officer, and he took his own life.


You remember when libtards on this board where mocking people b/c of this very idea?

[240 is Back]

YES!   Most schools have ten people on staff that work as "assistants".   They carry clip boards, they visit rooms, they bounce around and end up hiding and goofing off half the week. 

Lose one of those units, hire a security guard, and voila, we see that it works.  BRAVO to this school for doing the right thing.

Every school in USA should have one.  it only makes sense... we have an armed guard at most banks, and what's a robber going to get, a few grand max from the registers, loaded with paint bombs?  Yet schools, packed with hundreds of kids...  and people are ignorant enough to say we shouldn't pay for one?  Unreal. 

[2ND COMING]

Couldn't agree more. Many "diverse" community's have dozens of cops at schools because of gangs, knuckleheads and dirtbags. I don't see a reason NOT to have a few officers at schools in some of these community's that produce mentally deficient wackjobs. Chairman Barry loves using kids as props - how about a good ol' executive order doing exactly this.

[240 is Back]

Couldn't agree more. Many "diverse" community's have dozens of cops at schools because of gangs, knuckleheads and dirtbags. I don't see a reason NOT to have a few officers at schools in some of these community's that produce mentally deficient wackjobs. Chairman Barry loves using kids as props - how about a good ol' executive order doing exactly this.

The NRA endorses an officer in every school to keep out nutjobs...

I have to think the far-right would hate on anything obama does, and any kind of government interference above local or state level.  But that's a fine idea. 

[blacken700]

no what most were against was armed guards,i think you will find  most were not against a police officer in school ,there is a difference.but you  won't admit it.in fact a lot of schools have had this program forever

[Archer77]

We had a few officers in my high school.  My brother was assigned to our high school when he first became an officer for a few months until he went out on patrol.  He wasn't allowed to carry.  It's a sad state of affairs that we have police officers in our high schools.  This country is done.

[240 is Back]

It's a sad state of affairs that we have police officers in our high schools. .

Take the guns completely out of the situation and you STILL need a police officer in HIGH school.

Have you ever seen staff trying to break up a fight between two very determined high school students that are both over 200 pounds?  Or worse, when it's 2 on 1, or when students form a chain so nobody can break it up?

Kids can get KILLED from that alone... teachers aren't all as strong and athletic as us getbiggers   Maybe you can debate it for middle, okay fine on elementary, but HIGH school?  They're grown men by 18, and a few teachers in their 50s can't break up a fight.  You NEED a SRO (school resource officer) with training and authority for that.  Not even about guns one bit.  And I'd bet every high school in USA with over 400 kids has a policeman on campus already, no doubt.

[Archer77]

Take the guns completely out of the situation and you STILL need a police officer in HIGH school.

Have you ever seen staff trying to break up a fight between two very determined high school students that are both over 200 pounds?  Or worse, when it's 2 on 1, or when students form a chain so nobody can break it up?

Kids can get KILLED from that alone... teachers aren't all as strong and athletic as us getbiggers  Maybe you can debate it for middle, okay fine on elementary, but HIGH school?  They're grown men by 18, and a few teachers in their 50s can't break up a fight.  You NEED a SRO (school resource officer) with training and authority for that.  Not even about guns one bit.  And I'd bet every high school in USA with over 400 kids has a policeman on campus already, no doubt.

The police officers assigned to my high school during my tenure had their asses handed to them by a group of thugs who turned on them when they tried to break up a fight.  The two guys fighting a d their friends started fighting the cops. One or two cops aren't going to be much help against a mob of kids.  

[pedro01]

Take the guns completely out of the situation and you STILL need a police officer in HIGH school.

Have you ever seen staff trying to break up a fight between two very determined high school students that are both over 200 pounds?  Or worse, when it's 2 on 1, or when students form a chain so nobody can break it up?

Kids can get KILLED from that alone... teachers aren't all as strong and athletic as us getbiggers   Maybe you can debate it for middle, okay fine on elementary, but HIGH school?  They're grown men by 18, and a few teachers in their 50s can't break up a fight.  You NEED a SRO (school resource officer) with training and authority for that.  Not even about guns one bit.  And I'd bet every high school in USA with over 400 kids has a policeman on campus already, no doubt.

lol @ America.

In my high school all we needed in school were teachers.

PMSL laughing @ you need cops in High School.

[240 is Back]

The police officers assigned to my high school during my tenure had their asses handed to them by a group of thugs who turned on them when they tried to break up a fight.  The two guys fighting a d their friends started fighting the cops. One or two cops aren't going to be much help against a mob of kids. 

 

So because in this case, cops were inneffective, we should just completely give up and let the thugs take over?  lol

okay, for your particular situation, IF we had a case where a group of kids were fighting, then yes, even ONE cop could hop on the radio and at the very least help a little.

I don't know how to debate this one lol...  in 99% of fights, one cop would be fine for bringing order to the situation.  Yes, in a big crowd fight, everything changes.  But this isn't a thread about "how should police stop giant group fights".   It's more, for overal security in schools (particularly against lone shooters).  I was just saying how most high schools have them already, for normal stuff.  Plus you have traffic accidents in parking lot (very common), kids that need escorted out, backpacks searched based on anon tips.

It just makes sense to have one SRO on HIGH SCHOOL campuses for a dozen reasons.  Even if they're inneffective against the occasional group fight. 

[Straw Man]

http://news.yahoo.com/colorado-school-shooting-armed-guards-answer-014500823.html

one thing is clear to law enforcement officials there: The presence of an armed deputy sheriff on regular duty at the school was the key factor in preventing more deaths and injuries.

As soon as he heard the first of five gunshots, that officer and the two school administrators he was talking to raced toward the commotion shouting their presence and ordering students and staff to follow the school’s lock-down protocol.

As a result, Arapahoe County Sheriff Grayson Robinson said at a briefing Saturday afternoon, the heavily-armed shooter realized he was about to be confronted by an armed officer, and he took his own life.


You remember when libtards on this board where mocking people b/c of this very idea?

why would he take his own life "in response to armed guards"?

more likely his plan was to take his own life all along which is a very common theme in these school shootings

[tonymctones]

lets bring this back down to the issue at hand first and then address the issue of their effectiveness in group fights.

This article is about helping to prevent higher body counts in situations where you have a shooter or multiple shooters in a school. I think anyone who argues that is fighting an uphill battle.

I think most would agree that the faster the first responders are to getting to the scene the better chance they have of preventing further injuries, well you dont get much faster than being there when it takes place.

[tonymctones]

why would he take his own life "in response to armed guards"?

more likely his plan was to take his own life all along which is a very common theme in these school shootings

agreed the point is his plan was likely accelerated due to the armed guards...

[tonymctones]

The overall effectiveness of officers on school campuses I think is more debatable than their effectiveness in situations like this. As a person who went to a high school with a number of "gangs" (I use the quotations b/c they were more groups of idiot/assholes instead of organized gangs) I will say it was nice to have officers on campus.

Of course we had incidents where groups of kids would break out into a fight and yes of course a single office was fairly useless in those situations but that doesnt mean they were useless the majority of the time.

[blacken700]

agreed the point is his plan was likely accelerated due to the armed guards...

hahahaha armed guards

[Shockwave]

lol @ America.

In my high school all we needed in school were teachers.

PMSL laughing @ you need cops in High School.

hey, were a country bred of war and violence and the right to bear arms is constitutionally protected. 

Shit happens.  Its part of having an armed culture.  Shit is going to happen.  However, you cant try and simply legislate hundreds of years of culture away.... you try and disarm this population and youre looking at an instant skyrocketing In crime... because all of our criminals are already armed. And once they know all the law abiding citizens arent, itll be a field day.

look at all our major cities with strict gun controls.... highest levels of crime and gun violence in the country. Why? Because they have no fear of retribution. They know they can do what they want with impunity.

firearms and war are too ingrained in the fabric of our culture to simply take them away.  It would be a cluster fuck and only the innocent would suffer, imho. Not to mention how many firearms would simply flow up from mexico.

It would be nearly impossible to disarm the US populous peacefully and without violent crime skyrocketing. .. and thats assuming the reasons for taking the firearms would be with good intentions in the 1st place. Our government doesnt believe it exists for the citizens anymore... and youd be a fool to believe that they have our best interests in mind amd really care about innocents dying from firearms. They dont give a fuck. Thryre more worried about themselves possibly facing the business end of a firearm from a pissed off citizen or criminal.

youre also seeing a large part of the media sensationalizing everything related to gun violence, since so many of them thrive on the controversy and use anything they can to rile people up and generate ratings on the back of tragic events....  not even getting into their political agendas.

[240 is Back]

youre also seeing a large part of the media sensationalizing everything related to gun violence, since so many of them thrive on the controversy and use anything they can to rile people up and generate ratings on the back of tragic events....  not even getting into their political agendas.

Yep.  It's all about ratings $.   Ideology is a far second place, and mostly in the aspect that they cater to one audience or another.  Remember how many FOX employees voted/Donated obama?  They sell what people want.  Some people who work at slaughterhouses are vegan too...

[Jack T. Cross]

Yep.  It's all about ratings $.   Ideology is a far second place, and mostly in the aspect that they cater to one audience or another.  Remember how many FOX employees voted/Donated obama?  They sell what people want.  Some people who work at slaughterhouses are vegan too...

We're to believe they are polarizing because it's the most effective way to make profit. This is what we've been told.

Yet the only possible contender against buying of politicians, would be a sufficiently joined people.

SO...are the rabidly divisive ways of this media (controlled by approximately five extremely similar, wealthy entities) merely coincidental to this fact? Perhaps we're to believe these controlling entities don't understand this fact.

[Shockwave]

We're to believe they are polarizing because it's the most effective way to make profit. This is what we've been told.

Yet the only possible contender against buying of politicians, would be a sufficiently joined people.

SO...are the rabidly divisive ways of this media (controlled by approximately five extremely similar, wealthy entities) merely coincidental to this fact? Perhaps we're to believe these controlling entities don't understand this fact.

the vast majority of people implicitly trust the US government. Theres no need to divide us, as they already have most people's allegiance.

I think its ratings and pushing various political agendas for most outlets. Although what youre saying could certainly happen.

[tonymctones]

hahahaha armed guards

lol pistol grips and muzzle breaks...LMFAO

maybe if we paint guns pink that will satisfy you libtard morons

[JOHN MATRIX]

why would he take his own life "in response to armed guards"?

more likely his plan was to take his own life all along which is a very common theme in these school shootings

 Virtually all of these guys still had ammo on them when they off themselves. They all offed themselves (thus ending the rampage) when an armed response showed up to confront them. Its not rocket science. Then only thing that stops psychos with guns are good guys with guns. Thats why police officers carry guns..

[blacken700]

lol pistol grips and muzzle breaks...LMFAO

maybe if we paint guns pink that will satisfy you libtard morons

call him what he is, a police officer,your just trying to make it look good for the nra by calling him an armed guard.

hey look, an armed guard car