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[Cholo4Life]

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[dustin]

I used to be the kind of asshole who'd fight tooth and nail to defend shits like the ones in the supplement industry. But you know what? They need to pony up and get FDA approval for what little it's worth. At least it'll weed out 90% of the dangerous shit. Then all that'll be left is pharmaceutical grade sugar pills where at least no one will end up in the Emergency Room.

Still can't believe how much money I wasted on that shit. Took all the geranamine supplements throughout the years too, before I learned they were just designer meth. Better off taking pharmaceutical grade drugs and at least knowing there are millions of studies and medical professionals that know what they are.

[HandsomeMOFO]

Bodybuilding supps are crap, who doesn't know that (excepting teenagers)?

But HQ vitamins etc are of value. 

[macos]

Nytimes blames steroids for health issues not supplements.

[Knooger]

I used to take creatine, a pre-workout and whey protein. Fuck that, I won't take anything like that ever again. Whole food and nothing else.

[Nicademus]

At least Cybergenics was a legit legal cycle. 

[arce1988]

great thread, cholo

[no one]

i take supplements in the hopes they are spiked with steroids and amphetamine.

why else would i take them?

[Roger Bacon]

The FDA is a joke, "they've" probably been pushing these articles lately because they're getting ready to push some bill to consolidate more power.

[calfzilla]

i take supplements in the hopes they are spiked with steroids and amphetamine.

why else would i take them?

X2.

Nothing that actually works is going to be very healthy.

[Rajkapoor]

X2.

Nothing that actually works is going to be very healthy.

pussy.

[_aj_]

I take whey, various vitamins and creatine and at least I get a good laugh at myself when I do it. Seriously considering replacing it with gear and food. Probably would be cheaper and apparently healthier.

[Rajkapoor]

and can be dangerous.

The new research found that many of the products implicated in liver injuries were bodybuilding supplements spiked with unlisted steroids, and herbal pills and powders promising to increase energy and help consumers lose weight.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/22/us/spike-in-harm-to-liver-is-tied-to-dietary-aids.html?hp&_r=0

I dont need no stupid research to reach this conclusion.

[dustin]

I took Jungle Warfare when it was laced with some d-bol like oral compound. The gains I saw DEFINITELY weren't natty. Got a few bottles of the old stuff and a couple of the new one. The reformulated stuff absolutely sucked.

[calfzilla]

pussy.

Watch your mouth convict!  I will buy you mom and sister and use as my sex slaves.

[Rajkapoor]

Watch your mouth convict!  I will buy you mom and sister and use as my sex slaves.

i did not know you were in pimpin business but before we get into brutal key war think about my answer again.it has nothing to do with your personality.

[calfzilla]

i did not know you were in pimpin business but before we get into brutal key war think about my answer again.it has nothing to do with your personality.

We good bro just taking the piss.   

[Parker]

I used to be the kind of asshole who'd fight tooth and nail to defend shits like the ones in the supplement industry. But you know what? They need to pony up and get FDA approval for what little it's worth. At least it'll weed out 90% of the dangerous shit. Then all that'll be left is pharmaceutical grade sugar pills where at least no one will end up in the Emergency Room.

Still can't believe how much money I wasted on that shit. Took all the geranamine supplements throughout the years too, before I learned they were just designer meth. Better off taking pharmaceutical grade drugs and at least knowing there are millions of studies and medical professionals that know what they are.

I've been saying this for years. They have been flying under the radar...and what I do think is that it can be a back door way of looking into the bbing industry and the unhealthiness of the competitors.

[Coach is Back!]

Except for the "almost legal" steroids supplements are just that....supplements.   

[dustin]

Except for the "almost legal" steroids supplements are just that....supplements.   

Nah, some of the "completely natural" stuff is spiked with real drugs. Which is actually much worse.... they just create shell companies and sell the same garbage under a new wrapper.

I really feel bad for all the kids wasting their money on that shit and listening to them talk about it in the gym. If they took some d-bol or ephedrine it would blow their minds at the lies they're being sold.

[galeniko]

I dont need no stupid research to reach this conclusion.

ah yeah you just know it all, sure.

grace us with some economical forecast perhaps?

[Rajkapoor]

ah yeah you just know it all, sure.

grace us with some economical forecast perhaps?

no need to educate you on something we most of get bigger agreed upon......supplements are crap buy clen or epha instead of fat burner and inject test instead of buying test booster crap or pro fuckin hormones.lot cheaper with far more better results.

[Big Chiro Flex]

no need to educate you on something we most of get bigger agreed upon......supplements are crap buy clen or epha instead of fat burner and inject test instead of buying test booster crap or pro fuckin hormones.lot cheaper with far more better results.

^^^ a brilliant mind. Take note fellas, this guy is dropping some serious knowledge.

[Princess L]

I used to be the kind of asshole who'd fight tooth and nail to defend shits like the ones in the supplement industry. But you know what? They need to pony up and get FDA approval for what little it's worth. At least it'll weed out 90% of the dangerous shit. Then all that'll be left is pharmaceutical grade sugar pills where at least no one will end up in the Emergency Room.

Still can't believe how much money I wasted on that shit. Took all the geranamine supplements throughout the years too, before I learned they were just designer meth. Better off taking pharmaceutical grade drugs and at least knowing there are millions of studies and medical professionals that know what they are.

Agree there needs to be standards that are enforced, such as the USP and GMP.  The FDA and big pharma do a pretty crappy job as evidenced by all the class action lawsuits out there.

Effexor
Zoloft
Paxil
Celexa
Lexapro
Yaz
Actos
Accutane
Avanda
Propecia
Lipitor
Risperdal
Zithromax

[dustin]

And the existence of class action suits are proof of what exactly?

Tons of things. Bias, fake studies, completely botched studies. If you word things cleverly you can create a world of imagination without completely lying.

Sure, there are lots of flawed studies. But these companies just grab snippets from Pubmed abstracts, string it together and that's their R&D. Seriously. When I was popular on bodybuilding.com there were some companies that paid me in supplements to do their write ups.