Did Dorian retire just before "Palumboism" had a chance to set in?

[ProudVirgin69]

I've thought that in the past, but I find it goes against logic that you can have 4% bf, but yet have a massive amount of visceral fat.

you can take a guy with a "gh belly", have him cut his food for a few days and he'll have a 'normal' waistline.... that, and muscle.

Frankly I'm just guessing.... but how else do you explain a Ronnie or Ben Pakulski that's in contest condition but with a 40"+ waist?  I don't think they eat THAT much for a carb-up

[Natural Beast]

Frankly I'm just guessing.... but how else do you explain a Ronnie or Ben Pakulski that's in contest condition but with a 40"+ waist?  I don't think they eat THAT much for a carb-up

u mean rockel or coleman?

rockel is doing keto diet in last 2 weeks into the competition... u are right he doesnt eat that much for carb up he is just widely waisted.. and ben is a big abuser he lost all of his hair 1 year later he become pro that says everything

[ProudVirgin69]

u mean rockel or coleman?

rockel is doing keto diet in last 2 weeks into the competition... u are right he doesnt eat that much for carb up he is just widely waisted.. and ben is a big abuser he lost all of his hair 1 year later he become pro that says everything

Great explanation

[Natural Beast]

Great explanation

it may something have to do with heavy deadlifting and squatting...

[dyslexic]

Growth hormone (GH or HGH), also known as somatotropin or somatropin, is a peptide .... synthesis; Stimulates the growth of all internal organs excluding the brain;


There are actually many referenced studies that do show internal organ growth. Not just the heart....


I will reference them later ~

[ProudVirgin69]

it may something have to do with heavy deadlifting and squatting...

Lol now I think you're trolling.  In any case, leave the discussion to people with experience in these matters, and stick to talking about the "optimal training routine" with the other naturals.

Growth hormone (GH or HGH), also known as somatotropin or somatropin, is a peptide .... synthesis; Stimulates the growth of all internal organs excluding the brain;


There are actually many referenced studies that do show internal organ growth. Not just the heart....


I will reference them later ~

Please do, it would be the first I've heard of it.  Not only that, it seems like bodybuilders that stop the drugs lose the belly.... seems like organ growth would be permanent

Tom Prince had a monster belly but probably has a 30" waist now.  JP Fux too

[ESFitness]

the waist has more to do with food intake and training style.

my waist has been up to 41" in the past.. still had abs and was hard (although overall bf was around 15% when I was powerlifting.. lots of food, squatting, deadlifting.. even wearing a belt when benching, ect..).. I've been down to 31" recently.. about 33"-34" currently, and notice with increased food intake my waist will push out to the sides more from the front and will push out to the front when viewed to the side and relaxed.. even with 7% bf.. although I think I'm up to around 9-10% now... with NO gh and rarely Slin... and even when I do use slin now, it's maybe twice (usually only once) per day at about 5iu per shot.

[Natural Beast]

Lol now I think you're trolling.  In any case, leave the discussion to people with experience in these matters, and stick to talking about the "optimal training routine" with the other naturals.

Please do, it would be the first I've heard of it.  Not only that, it seems like bodybuilders that stop the drugs lose the belly.... seems like organ growth would be permanent

Tom Prince had a monster belly but probably has a 30" waist now.  JP Fux too

u are pathetic.. top bbers like levrone and dorian even dennis wolf says that heavy squats and deadlifts force your obliques to grow.. dont act like an expert here fool lets show some pics of you otherways stfu

LOL what a fuckin fool u are.. u say if u stop gh the belly goes away so explain to me what happened to coleman?? why cant coleman lose his belly?? its because his fuckin organs grew thats why..

[ProudVirgin69]

u are pathetic.. top bbers like levrone and dorian even dennis wolf says that heavy squats and deadlifts force your obliques to grow.. dont act like an expert here fool lets show some pics of you otherways stfu

LOL what a fuckin fool u are.. u say if u stop gh the belly goes away so explain to me what happened to coleman?? why cant coleman lose his belly?? its because his fuckin organs grew thats why..

1) they can't exactly say "too much gh & slin" thickens the waist, now can they?

2) Ronnie is obviously still on a good amount of juice/gh.  You didn't think he was clean, did you?

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[Natural Beast]

1) they can't exactly say "too much gh & slin" thickens the waist, now can they?

2) Ronnie is obviously still on a good amount of juice/gh.  You didn't think he was clean, did you?

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of course ronnie is still on gh and juice but he doesnt abuse them like he did in the past.. u think dorian is not on gh? he is on gh too why doesnt dorian have a gut like coleman? its all about abusing vs. smart usage... if u abuse it in the past ur organs will grow and the belly will stay.

[ProudVirgin69]

of course ronnie is still on gh and juice but he doesnt abuse them like he did in the past.. u think dorian is not on gh? he is on gh too why doesnt dorian have a gut like coleman? its all about abusing vs. smart usage... if u abuse it in the past ur organs will grow and the belly will stay.

Have you seen recent pictures of Dorian?  He's got quite the hefty gut himself.... and yeah he's still on gear, too.

I don't think it's organ growth because the pros who had guts but came off the sauce--jp fux, mike morris, Mohammed moustafa, Tom Prince--none of them have the guts any more

[njflex]

Have you seen recent pictures of Dorian?  He's got quite the hefty gut himself.... and yeah he's still on gear, too.

I don't think it's organ growth because the pros who had guts but came off the sauce--jp fux, mike morris, Mohammed moustafa, Tom Prince--none of them have the guts any more

all the gentleman u mentioned not one has been seen shirtless since there heavy jucing days have ceased,,,morris videos aside u see he still has some upper body size but still can't tell midsection...

[Natural Beast]

all the gentleman u mentioned not one has been seen shirtless since there heavy jucing days have ceased,,,morris videos aside u see he still has some upper body size but still can't tell midsection...

this and it seems like all of them love to wear baggy shirts.. i wonder why..

[ProudVirgin69]

all the gentleman u mentioned not one has been seen shirtless since there heavy jucing days have ceased,,,morris videos aside u see he still has some upper body size but still can't tell midsection...

Fair point, but that picture of Tom Prince in the store he's wearing a slim fitting shirt and appears to have a flat stomach

[njflex]

this and it seems like all of them love to wear baggy shirts.. i wonder why..

consideration to the fact they all 50 70 lbs of weight/musle/water from there peak maybe more.

[njflex]

Fair point, but that picture of Tom Prince in the store he's wearing a slim fitting shirt and appears to have a flat stomach

true,god bless him for what he put himself through...

[anabolichalo]

i know dorian is a hero etc but


RIGHT NOW HIS ARMS LOOK LIKE SHIT

[ESFitness]

most guys guts will go down once they stop eating so much damn food. (myself included... I dropped 10" from mine)

I used to see JP fux everyday and his gut is 'gone'.. although he's still training a little bit, he's down to about 215lbs or so... maybe 220.

[dyslexic]

Lol now I think you're trolling.  In any case, leave the discussion to people with experience in these matters, and stick to talking about the "optimal training routine" with the other naturals.

Please do, it would be the first I've heard of it.  Not only that, it seems like bodybuilders that stop the drugs lose the belly.... seems like organ growth would be permanent

Tom Prince had a monster belly but probably has a 30" waist now.  JP Fux too

There's quite a lot on the net. Surfing throughout the references with the articles is the hard part. The one site I found on Pharmacology had all the references at the end, not even numbered.

I agree with you though, other than empirical data there really doesn't seem to be any precise studies, just observations made by mostly bodybuilders. Now, where they found the heart and kidney enlargement is highly referenced, but I'm looking for something that mentions ALL internal organs. This is what is stated in the articles, but w/o a referenced controlled study, it doesn't mean dogshit to me. You could be right.

There may be another reasone for the bloat and the separation of the Linea Alba.

I would like to know for a fact myself. Good call.

[dyslexic]

Wow, I thought more people here knew about the over-abundance of receptor sites in the deltoids. These are the first muscles to go when a guy gets "off" ~ then you are stuck with long arms with big bicep bellies and high triceps that really look funky... and the large midwaist.

Look at Lou. His arms are pathetic. That huge distance between his insertion of the Triceps and the elbow is almost embarrassing..


Looks nothing like he did when he competed in the Master O.

These guys should just be a smaller shadow of themselves, not a distorted one.

Nobody is going to fund a study on this shit, they are just going to change the sport of HC bodybuilding to Fitness modeling. Mark my words.

[SomeKindofMonster]

Dorian's left arm was gone in 1997. A torn bicep and an even worse
tear to the left tricep.
Dorian's arms in 1993 were quite excellent although some tend to disagree
but even the uninjured right arm by 1997 had diminished some in size.
JUST GOING BY PHOTOS I see no way Yates should have beat Nasser.
Yates was superior in the back shots but Nasser was more overwhelming
comparatively from the front than Yates was comparatively from the back.
I'm not a fan of Nasser's overall physique at all and I think the 1993 version
of Yates competitively is the top 2 or 3rd competition physique ever; BUT Nasser
should have beat Yates here. Please take a close look at the 1st picture.

[ProudVirgin69]

There's quite a lot on the net. Surfing throughout the references with the articles is the hard part. The one site I found on Pharmacology had all the references at the end, not even numbered.

I agree with you though, other than empirical data there really doesn't seem to be any precise studies, just observations made by mostly bodybuilders. Now, where they found the heart and kidney enlargement is highly referenced, but I'm looking for something that mentions ALL internal organs. This is what is stated in the articles, but w/o a referenced controlled study, it doesn't mean dogshit to me. You could be right.

There may be another reasone for the bloat and the separation of the Linea Alba.

I would like to know for a fact myself. Good call.

Like you mention, its hard to find any kind of research that we can extrapolate to our discussion.  I think people get caught up in the 'growth' part of growth hormone....if we called it somatotropin, we wouldn't hear all these mystical qualities attributed to hgh

[kohl]

Dorian's left arm was gone in 1997. A torn bicep and an even worse
tear to the left tricep.
Dorian's arms in 1993 were quite excellent although some tend to disagree
but even the uninjured right arm by 1997 had diminished some in size.
JUST GOING BY PHOTOS I see no way Yates should have beat Nasser.
Yates was superior in the back shots but Nasser was more overwhelming
comparatively from the front than Yates was comparatively from the back.
I'm not a fan of Nasser's overall physique at all and I think the 1993 version
of Yates competitively is the top 2 or 3rd competition physique ever; BUT Nasser
should have beat Yates here. Please take a close look at the 1st picture.

True. Excellent way of putting things.

[Mr.1derful]

Dorian's left arm was gone in 1997. A torn bicep and an even worse
tear to the left tricep.
Dorian's arms in 1993 were quite excellent although some tend to disagree
but even the uninjured right arm by 1997 had diminished some in size.
JUST GOING BY PHOTOS I see no way Yates should have beat Nasser.
Yates was superior in the back shots but Nasser was more overwhelming
comparatively from the front than Yates was comparatively from the back.
I'm not a fan of Nasser's overall physique at all and I think the 1993 version
of Yates competitively is the top 2 or 3rd competition physique ever; BUT Nasser
should have beat Yates here. Please take a close look at the 1st picture.

I used to think that Nasser should have beat Yates in 1997 as well, based on photos.  However, in watching the video of the contest, it was clear that Nasser had no density to his physique.  When he turned to the side, it was over.  When he turned around, even worse.  Pictures don't tell the whole story. 

[Shockwave]

I used to think that Nasser should have beat Yates in 1997 as well, based on photos.  However, in watching the video of
the contest, it was clear that Nasser had no density to his physique.  When he turned to the side, it was over.  When he turned around, even worse.  Pictures don't tell the whole story. 

This. Which is sad, as Doz in 97 was a trainwreck.
nasser simply had.no depth to his physique