Did Dorian retire just before "Palumboism" had a chance to set in?

[SomeKindofMonster]

I used to think that Nasser should have beat Yates in 1997 as well, based on photos.  However, in watching the video of the contest, it was clear that Nasser had no density to his physique.  When he turned to the side, it was over.  When he turned around, even worse.  Pictures don't tell the whole story. 

I realize if I had been there in person or seen a good video I may very well feel different.
Thx for your input.

[thebrink]

Originally you posted:

As if to claim that wrestlers were exceptionally muscular.  Fact is, they aren't.  Yeah they are tremendously fit and are very strong for their bodyweight, but wrestling at the lowest weight class possible is really the only way to have any chance at success.

5'8" at a very lean 185 is indeed quite muscular, but you will not find an above-average wrestler at those stats.  The 182-weight class is populated by individuals taller than 6'0".

Do you have any experience in wrestling?  Or are you just talking out of your ass to make a point?

I was merely stating that natural muscularity isn't as rare and unacheivable as some people here make it out to be. And "above average" lol ok.. with who's criteria.   Also, there is a thing in wrestling they use called weight cutting and i've trained with competitors in the 185-210 range who looked jacked in clothes and pushed verry heavy weights for size, no ped's. And of course there are clearly ones who aren't muscular too so whats your point. No need to be a NCAA champ or IFBB judge to make a simple statement about competitor physique quality in that sport. Are you just truculent with others on here because of your blue balls?

[Mr Nobody]

[ProudVirgin69]

I was merely stating that natural muscularity isn't as rare and unacheivable as some people here make it out to be. And "above average" lol ok.. with who's criteria.   Also, there is a thing in wrestling they use called weight cutting and i've trained with competitors in the 185-210 range who looked jacked in clothes and pushed verry heavy weights for size, no ped's. And of course there are clearly ones who aren't muscular too so whats your point. No need to be a NCAA champ or IFBB judge to make a simple statement about competitor physique quality in that sport. Are you just truculent with others on here because of your blue balls?

Because you're trying to say wrestlers are this group of muscle-bound individuals, "proof" that one doesn't need steroids for an impressive physique... something that is patently false.

I just don't want onlookers to get the wrong idea

[Mr.1derful]

[thebrink]

Because you're trying to say wrestlers are this group of muscle-bound individuals, "proof" that one doesn't need steroids for an impressive physique... something that is patently false.

I just don't want onlookers to get the wrong idea

If i'm seeing this wrong, gimme the evidence.

[njflex]

sick back,legs were actually very impressive not massive like his offseason ,,but they were longish with narrow hip and they they swept down to massive callves fr and back view ,,his back was complete up/down/side to side..

[Fortress]

I sat four feet from Dorian when he guest posed a couple of weeks after the '95 Mr. Olympia. The man was about 285 and the freakiest bodybuilder I have ever seen. And I have seen many of the legends up close, believe me. Dorian's combination of size, density, hardness, proportion, and appearance of power was staggering. His body didn't look of human flesh. Like a damn alien, he was.  

[Danimal77]

Best I can do, just taken.

[cephissus]

I seriously doubt milos used half of what Nasser used, as I've spoken to them both off and on over the years.... although I've spoken to neither for the past 9+ years. Nasser and Milos were the two guys (the ONLY two guys) who'd give me the time of day when it came to answering my questions regarding insulin use when I was a 17yr old kid.

asking about insulin at 17 years old, haha

[Mr Nobody]

sick back,legs were actually very impressive not massive like his offseason ,,but they were longish with narrow hip and they they swept down to massive callves fr and back view ,,his back was complete up/down/side to side..

Looks like a beast.

[Natural Beast]

asking about insulin at 17 years old, haha

yeah and the funny thing is 2 of the top ifbb pros actually talk with a 17 year old kid about gear and slin 

he should try better next time...

[anabolichalo]

You do realize the kid is on tons of gear to look like this:



Lol look how much "pop" he has. Be aware that Halo is a troll, and no one to be siding with on these boards. 

impressive

[ESFitness]

yeah and the funny thing is 2 of the top ifbb pros actually talk with a 17 year old kid about gear and slin 

he should try better next time...

you ever met Nasser? "natural beast"? what do you think "top 2 ifbb pros" is like talking to the vice president of the US? like he's some un-approachable semi-god?

dude.. you're fucking clueless. maybe it's hard to believe to you, because you live your entire life through the internet... everything you know of bodybuilding is through the internet.. you probably live in the middle of nowhere and think an 'ifbb pro' is some sort of celebrity.

Nasser and milos are two of the most approachable 'pros' you'd ever meet.

you should stick to talking about shit you actually know about.. like being a "natural beast" i.e. being a fat, small guy who people think "might lift weights" when they look at you (of course, in your mind you're a 'beast'.... right?)

[gib]

Dorian was one of the ugliest bodybuilders of all time. He never deserved to win an Olympia. The "win" was entirely a political/strategic business decision from Wieder who saw benefit in having a UK winner in terms of trying to grow his business globally, as well as have a white winner rather than black, as white customers have much greater spending power on supplements etc that Weider told them they needed to grow. That's the truth about Dorian.

[njflex]

Dorian was one of the ugliest bodybuilders of all time. He never deserved to win an Olympia. The "win" was entirely a political/strategic business decision from Wieder who saw benefit in having a UK winner in terms of trying to grow his business globally, as well as have a white winner rather than black, as white customers have much greater spending power on supplements etc that Weider told them they needed to grow. That's the truth about Dorian.

interesting...

[ESFitness]

Dorian was one of the ugliest bodybuilders of all time. He never deserved to win an Olympia. The "win" was entirely a political/strategic business decision from Wieder who saw benefit in having a UK winner in terms of trying to grow his business globally, as well as have a white winner rather than black, as white customers have much greater spending power on supplements etc that Weider told them they needed to grow. That's the truth about Dorian.

just like Lee haney was given the Mr O in an effort to court the black/ghetto market and have little ghetto kids spending their lunch money on weider BCAA's and MegaMass4000?

[arce1988]

nasser should have had that one mr. o

[Mr.1derful]

[Natural Beast]

you ever met Nasser? "natural beast"? what do you think "top 2 ifbb pros" is like talking to the vice president of the US? like he's some un-approachable semi-god?

dude.. you're fucking clueless. maybe it's hard to believe to you, because you live your entire life through the internet... everything you know of bodybuilding is through the internet.. you probably live in the middle of nowhere and think an 'ifbb pro' is some sort of celebrity.

Nasser and milos are two of the most approachable 'pros' you'd ever meet.

you should stick to talking about shit you actually know about.. like being a "natural beast" i.e. being a fat, small guy who people think "might lift weights" when they look at you (of course, in your mind you're a 'beast'.... right?)

ur a lying piece of shit iffb pros would never tell anyone how much and what they take... and not to a 17 year old kid..

[thebrink]

 

[MisterMagoo]

ur a lying piece of shit iffb pros would never tell anyone how much and what they take... and not to a 17 year old kid..

milos and nasser were 2 dudes who never lied about what they used. in fact they caused a huge shitstorm over on muscle mayhem about nine years ago when they started talking, openly, about plasma expanders and other experimental drugs they were testing out in the late 90s. the editor of flex magazine even popped in and told them they were destroying the public perception of pro bodybuilding. it was nuts.

[njflex]

milos and nasser were 2 dudes who never lied about what they used. in fact they caused a huge shitstorm over on muscle mayhem about nine years ago when they started talking, openly, about plasma expanders and other experimental drugs they were testing out in the late 90s. the editor of flex magazine even popped in and told them they were destroying the public perception of pro bodybuilding. it was nuts.

well somebody had too,,,,u don't gain 10/20 lbs over a contest season,bigger,harder,,from just jumpimg from 50 to 70 lbs on dbell flyes .or in milos case pink to fuscia dumbells.

[Natural Beast]

milos and nasser were 2 dudes who never lied about what they used. in fact they caused a huge shitstorm over on muscle mayhem about nine years ago when they started talking, openly, about plasma expanders and other experimental drugs they were testing out in the late 90s. the editor of flex magazine even popped in and told them they were destroying the public perception of pro bodybuilding. it was nuts.

u got me wrong

of course they could be talkin openly about drugs back then.. but none of the pros would tell their exact cycle and how much they used.. none of them!! nowadays u see some retired pros like yates or levrone tell their "supposedly" cycles but do we believe them? of course not... so why should i believe this retard about how much milos and nasser used? and they talk about it with him when he was 17 years old... LOL

[ESFitness]

ur a lying piece of shit iffb pros would never tell anyone how much and what they take... and not to a 17 year old kid..

I'm a lying piece of shit? you're a clueless fucking dicksucking hero-worshiping nobody who doesn't know dick about anything other than what you read on the internet from OTHER PEOPLE. you have ZERO experience of your own.

you think an 'ifbb pro' is some sort of special person? an un-approachable god-like guy who only converses with other ifbb pro's?

you're a fucking clueless fa ggot. 165lb "beast" huh.... maybe you should listen more and talk less... especially when it comes to shit you know NOTHING about. maybe one day you'll break that 170lb mark or get your arms over 15" and fill out a medium-sized shirt.

I'm a lying piece of shit... bwahahaha.. you don't know who the fuck I am you little Justin Beiber clone.

and did I ever say anything about how they told me EXACTLY what and how much they took?

you fucking little girl.

give you an inch and you take a mile.

take your bitch ass back and re-read what I wrote, you little dyslexic punk.

"Natural Beast".... fucking Jumbo Shrimp.

you know how I know you're a hero-worshiping loser who lives in the middle of nowhere? because you think 'ifbb pro's' are some sort of "professional athlete"... like I'm talking with Barry Bonds of Brett Farve. what are you? 19yrs old? you were still sucking your thumb and sleeping on rubber sheets, chewing on Crayola crayons when I was buying insulin the first time... hell, when I was getting busted in mexico the first time, you were in school, practicing writing your alphabet in capitals and lower-case.

fucking little girl.