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Re: Where does work ethic come from?
« Reply #50 on: February 02, 2014, 08:02:13 PM »
His dad is part of a Union.  I guess you support Unions now too Coach, eh?

How did you come to that conclusion? An employee doesn't have a choice if he wants to work in an industry that is unionize. I mean, because Coach watches movies and maybe has a favorite actor of is a fan of Baseball and even trains pro baseball players does that mean he supports unions because actors and baseball players belong to a union?

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Re: Where does work ethic come from?
« Reply #51 on: February 02, 2014, 08:05:39 PM »
Haha, you actually believe that. LOL

As usual, you'll lose this. (Que the BIG BOLD copy and pasted left wing articles..lol)

It is very difficult to fire a unionize employee. Unions are good for the employee but bad for labor and the economy. Just like rent control is good for the people actually renting in rent controlled unit but bad for the housing industry.   

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Re: Where does work ethic come from?
« Reply #52 on: February 02, 2014, 08:08:02 PM »
Were you aware that his father used to be a Compton Gang Member and was shot twice? 

Yes, starts with the parents all right.  ::)

Again anther non sequitur. Many have started out bad and reformed their lives as they became an adult and got older and more mature.

You're really off your game this time TA. Need to change up the macro content. All those empty calories in those pastries are taking it's toll.

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Re: Where does work ethic come from?
« Reply #53 on: February 02, 2014, 08:11:47 PM »
Its not.  I just find it hilarious that Coach, of all people, is giving them credit since the Government has given them everything, including their jobs.  The mother is a Social Worker.

My friend, take a break. Like I said, you're having a bad day and off your usual rational discourse.

The government didn't give them anything. The government can't give anybody anything simply because they have nothing to give. What they give to one person they have taken from someone else.

Have some chicken breast and broccoli and get a good night's sleep. Come back refreshed and more thought through. 

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Re: Where does work ethic come from?
« Reply #54 on: February 02, 2014, 08:19:13 PM »
As long as it's instilled in you.

Exactly. The natural tendency for humans is to be lazy. To conserve energy. I mean, how many people really want to go to the gym after a day's work when they can just go home and relax? How many people really want to get up in the morning and go to work when they can just stay home and relax?

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Re: Where does work ethic come from?
« Reply #55 on: February 02, 2014, 08:23:12 PM »
Its not honest in New York.  :D  Its mob controlled still.

Now you make a good point but it's removed from the actual employees. Mr. Sherman is not a mobster. It's still honest work for him.

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Re: Where does work ethic come from?
« Reply #56 on: February 02, 2014, 08:26:03 PM »
I don't see social workers as necessary government jobs.  Necessary government jobs are in the legal process where the Constitution protects the citizens right to redress and protect private property through the court system.  A limited army for national defense (not 800 military bases around the world) is also appropriate.

Exactly. What people fail to realize is not whether something is necessary or not but whose role is it. The Constitution is very specific as to what the role of the government should be. Very specific. But the role of the government has been expanding so wildly and so irresponsibly that our forefathers would not even recognize it.


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Re: Where does work ethic come from?
« Reply #58 on: February 02, 2014, 08:33:08 PM »
It's ironic cons tote hard work, when unions were invented because the people that worked hardest were typically left crippled by the age of 40.

Conservatives have little to do with hard work. There whole ideology is based around the concept that people should be free to collect wealth, and any regulator trying to impinge on people from collecting wealth are considered dangers to the economy. It's a really fucked view point if you can think about it logically for half a second.

If you require an political scenario to work hard your likely a lazy guy that works hard only when there is a short term pay off. Which is usually the norm among cons. The virtue of hard work has little to do with a monetary pay off, and usually far more to do with having a thing called character.

Correct in some respects. It's not hard work per se that is the only determinate of success. I mean, who works harder than those migrant farm workers that get up before the crack of dawn and work until night fall. And all for pennies. Few of us would last a week under those conditions. It's smart work that rakes in the bucks. Of course there is also the element of luck involved as well. If you're born in Calcutta, India or Darfur you're going to have a much harder time no matter how smart and industrious you are.

But I believe any transaction between a buyer and a seller should be left only up to that buyer and seller. To have a third party that has little or no knowledge of the business at hand and bears none of the responsibilities if things go wrong should have no say as to how that transaction is conducted.  

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Re: Where does work ethic come from?
« Reply #59 on: February 02, 2014, 08:38:07 PM »
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Just going through the thread that I came late in on and commenting on the various posts. This is a very interesting subject to me and indicates a person's world view and value system depending on the side they take and how they defend it. People like to boast that they believe in freedom and that outside control and involvement of others be kept at a minimum but when you start to dig a little often that is not true. They are very much in support of outside control and coercion and wanting to be taken care of and supported by an outside entity.

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Re: Where does work ethic come from?
« Reply #60 on: February 02, 2014, 11:28:31 PM »
What often makes a job difficult is not that it is mentally or physically demanding but that it is unfulfilling. Someone has to take out the trash and it is a vitally important job and honorable work but I don't think any child growing up aspires to be a trash man.  

But why don't people change jobs ?????  ??? ??? ???

I can live to be a trillion years old with all the knowledge in the world and I'll NEVER understand this mindset. How hard is it having your CV professionally done, using Linkedin, job sites if you're so inclined or contacting a certain company you identified as a fun/good place to work to see if they have any positions going?  ::)

All I see is people bitching and moaning and moaning and bitching without lifting a finger to do anything about it.

I'll use myself as an example. I went to OZ/NZ on holiday 3 months ago to see my brother and visit some university mates that's earning FORTUNES out there. I got back to London, got severely depressed living in such a horrid hole of a city, got online, identified 3 companies that's in my line of work down that way and noted them down. I left work early around 3pm (this is day 1 of getting back). Got home, made coffee and sat down and wrote a short introductory email to key people I've identified in those organizations. I was done at around 5pm. Went to the gym, came back home and showered and hopped in bed early (jet lag was killing me). I got up 5am the next morning and had two emails back from those I've emailed, asking me to call them. I went to bed that night and set my alarm for 2am to get up, ready for a phone call at 3am (time differences). I 'interviewed' with both and got offered a job with both. I picked the best one for ME and said yes.

I got my work visa within two weeks. I'm leaving for NZ, February 19th.

Was that so hard?  ???
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Re: Where does work ethic come from?
« Reply #61 on: February 02, 2014, 11:45:52 PM »
But why don't people change jobs ?????  ??? ??? ???

I can live to be a trillion years old with all the knowledge in the world and I'll NEVER understand this mindset. How hard is it having your CV professionally done, using Linkedin, job sites if you're so inclined or contacting a certain company you identified as a fun/good place to work to see if they have any positions going?  ::)

All I see is people bitching and moaning and moaning and bitching without lifting a finger to do anything about it.

I'll use myself as an example. I went to OZ/NZ on holiday 3 months ago to see my brother and visit some university mates that's earning FORTUNES out there. I got back to London, got severely depressed living in such a horrid hole of a city, got online, identified 3 companies that's in my line of work down that way and noted them down. I left work early around 3pm (this is day 1 of getting back). Got home, made coffee and sat down and wrote a short introductory email to key people I've identified in those organizations. I was done at around 5pm. Went to the gym, came back home and showered and hopped in bed early (jet lag was killing me). I got up 5am the next morning and had two emails back from those I've emailed, asking me to call them. I went to bed that night and set my alarm for 2am to get up, ready for a phone call at 3am (time differences). I 'interviewed' with both and got offered a job with both. I picked the best one for ME and said yes.

I got my work visa within two weeks. I'm leaving for NZ, February 19th.

Was that so hard?  ???

I just read the first part of your post.

You are obviously a very self motivated, disciplined, industrious and ambitious person. Someone like you don't understand why others don't change their, for lack of a better term, drone-like existence. I understand that.

But the fact of the matter is that many, if not most, are quite content living a fairly comfortable, risk free and routine existence. And you should be grateful for it. Very grateful. Everything you have had to be truck in from somewhere and the truck had to be driven by someone. There had to be that same person installing hundred of thousands of tires year after year so you can drive your car. Those oranges and tomatoes don't pick themselves. That seamstress that sits in that same chair for a couple of decades stitching those same stitches so that you can strut around in your Jeans has to come from somewhere.

Grunt work needs grunts. I know you can't understand it. It's not in your nature. I work a flexible schedule so I can avoid traffic but every now and then I have to get right in there and brave rush hour traffic. I look at those around me and wonder how on earth they can do it day after day, year after year. They don't seem bothered by it as I am. They just seem numb to it.

You get a job that pays the bills and you're content with that. You live during your off hours and when it's time to fill that social contract you, I don't know, you just become emotionally dead. You just go through the motions until it's time to clock out and then go back to your family and life.

Some seem to be destined and content to be the worker bees. The ones who keep our society humming along. Thank God for people who can do this. You could never do this. Be grateful to those that do. What would you do without them?

 

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Re: Where does work ethic come from?
« Reply #62 on: February 03, 2014, 02:58:57 AM »
But why don't people change jobs ?????  ??? ??? ???

I can live to be a trillion years old with all the knowledge in the world and I'll NEVER understand this mindset. How hard is it having your CV professionally done, using Linkedin, job sites if you're so inclined or contacting a certain company you identified as a fun/good place to work to see if they have any positions going?  ::)

All I see is people bitching and moaning and moaning and bitching without lifting a finger to do anything about it.

I'll use myself as an example. I went to OZ/NZ on holiday 3 months ago to see my brother and visit some university mates that's earning FORTUNES out there. I got back to London, got severely depressed living in such a horrid hole of a city, got online, identified 3 companies that's in my line of work down that way and noted them down. I left work early around 3pm (this is day 1 of getting back). Got home, made coffee and sat down and wrote a short introductory email to key people I've identified in those organizations. I was done at around 5pm. Went to the gym, came back home and showered and hopped in bed early (jet lag was killing me). I got up 5am the next morning and had two emails back from those I've emailed, asking me to call them. I went to bed that night and set my alarm for 2am to get up, ready for a phone call at 3am (time differences). I 'interviewed' with both and got offered a job with both. I picked the best one for ME and said yes.

I got my work visa within two weeks. I'm leaving for NZ, February 19th.

Was that so hard?  ???

well done

I agree with the if you want something go and get it ethic

not everyone is wired that way

society needs people with the kid of work ethic where they can do the same repetitive job for 25 years

just like it needs people like you with aspirations

just because you fall into one of the camps doesn't mean you cant respect the other
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Re: Where does work ethic come from?
« Reply #63 on: February 03, 2014, 03:39:13 AM »
well done

I agree with the if you want something go and get it ethic

not everyone is wired that way

society needs people with the kid of work ethic where they can do the same repetitive job for 25 years

just like it needs people like you with aspirations

just because you fall into one of the camps doesn't mean you cant respect the other

Great post. Especially the last sentence.

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Re: Where does work ethic come from?
« Reply #64 on: February 03, 2014, 04:44:09 AM »
But why don't people change jobs ?????  ??? ??? ???
I can live to be a trillion years old with all the knowledge in the world and I'll NEVER understand this mindset.

You don't understand this mindset because you don't HAVE this mindset.

Different people have different characteristics. 99.99% are followers or soldier ants as it were. If all bees were queen bees and there were no drones then the beehive would not be built.
If all Austrian people after WW1 had the mindset of Hitler then there would have been no WW2 because everyone would have wanted to be the leader and the million storm trooper jobs would remain vacant.

If all men had been like Henry Ford or Andrew Carnegie or Vanderbilt or Rockefeller then there would have been no industrial growth in the 19th and early 20th century because no one would have been willing to man the furnace, assembly line, oil rigs etc.

Psychometric analysis shows what motivates people in terms of security, leadership, interaction, attention to detail etc.  Takes all types for the human race to flourish.    How many of us could work at great height?   How many could examine decomposed bodies ? Funnily enough, every generation have enough people perfectly happy to do jobs that the masses would not consider (including being Entrepreneurs risking everything for a risky potential gain).
 





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Re: Where does work ethic come from?
« Reply #65 on: February 03, 2014, 05:06:52 AM »
No such thing as "work ethic" anymore.  It's all about instant gratification.  Many have been brainwashed into believing the world owes them.  Welfare, disability, child support, EBT cards, W.I.C.... why work?... just have more kids and the government will take care of you!

Observe the useless young people around you today... tattooed, narcissistic tweeting teens and twenty somethings completely zombified by their little tech toys.

It only gets worse from here... MUCH worse.

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Re: Where does work ethic come from?
« Reply #66 on: February 03, 2014, 05:37:36 AM »
I just read the first part of your post.
Coming from someone who writes "war and Peace" in every thread thas a little bit disrespectful to say the least.
If you cant be bothered to read all his post then how can you expect people to read yours?

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Re: Where does work ethic come from?
« Reply #67 on: February 03, 2014, 05:41:49 AM »
well done

I agree with the if you want something go and get it ethic

not everyone is wired that way

society needs people with the kid of work ethic where they can do the same repetitive job for 25 years

just like it needs people like you with aspirations

just because you fall into one of the camps doesn't mean you cant respect the other
Well said!