how to stop porn addiction

[Radical Plato]

You could always find a willing, real female.

I know that's kind of taboo for most guys around here, but if you try it, you'll probably like it. At least, I hope most of you do.

Anyhow, happy hunting!

EDIT: humoron.com (NSFW)

One woman isn't enough for a man.  It is his instinct to mate with as many as he can, but because modern Western civilised society forbids such practice, his only option is to fantasize about it.  He either attempts to mate with as many women as possible and clashes with societal values and is outcast or he finds another way to deal with his innate biological urges.  Some cultures understand this and allow for Polygamy, while others outlaw the practise.  Carl Jung suggested the key to a happy marriage was the wife allowing the man to have multiple affairs.   

[bigbadwolfe]

Why would you want to stop? PORN is AWESOME!

I was literally just in the backroom of the local family video store here in town and walked out with my arm in my sling (blew out elbow and forearm benching) and the lady behind the counter that I know asks "Oh my God Mike what happened?"
Without missing a beat I said "I've been watching to much porn"
She cracked up laughing then I heard someone else start laughing and the really cute new chic was to the right of me putting videos back, I did not see her. Well damn talk about being embarrassed Hahahah!!! 

[R.A.M.]

Is this movie based on a getbigger?

[snx]

One woman isn't enough for a man.  It is his instinct to mate with as many as he can, but because modern Western civilised society forbids such practice, his only option is to fantasize about it.  He either attempts to mate with as many women as possible and clashes with societal values and is outcast or he finds another way to deal with his innate biological urges.  Some cultures understand this and allow for Polygamy, while others outlaw the practise.  Carl Jung suggested the key to a happy marriage was the wife allowing the man to have multiple affairs.   

Interesting.

Expand on why you believe the practices of casual sex out without the commitment of a relationship are good for society in the long-term. I'm particularly interested in your viewpoints as to how the dissolution of committed familial relationships, by fostering male polygamy, will impact the children borne of such relationships, and how the child's maturity will progress into adulthood versus those children of committed monogamous relationships.

Do you believe it best that men father as many children with as many women as possible, and leave the child-rearing to only the women? Of would you recommend a mandatory sterilization of these polygamists, if only to protect the world from gross over-population?

[Radical Plato]

Interesting.

Expand on why you believe the practices of casual sex out without the commitment of a relationship are good for society in the long-term. I'm particularly interested in your viewpoints as to how the dissolution of committed familial relationships, by fostering male polygamy, will impact the children borne of such relationships, and how the child's maturity will progress into adulthood versus those children of committed monogamous relationships.

Do you believe it best that men father as many children with as many women as possible, and leave the child-rearing to only the women? Of would you recommend a mandatory sterilization of these polygamists, if only to protect the world from gross over-population?

You start by suggesting that children raised by traditional two parent families is ideal.  The world is already fucked, the average person is an arsehole, the majority of child rearing is damaging and destructive, hence the completely dysfunctional societies we currently have. Religious Nutters like to throw the blame on single mothers, when traditional 'Nuclear' families are no better.  The issue is child rearing beliefs held by the mainstream, most of their methods are sadistic and designed to produce an obedient automaton prepared to fit into a sick world rather than raise a critically thinking, loved individual.  These sick child rearing principles are applied by traditional and non traditional families alike.

One assumption you made was that I was promoting casual sex, I talked about polygamy, a man committing to several women and them committing to him.  And yes I think women should do the majority of the child rearing.  Children of polygamous relationships will have the benefit of having multiple concerned adults supporting them.  If a child is being abused, the potential for support and an end to the abuse is more likely the more invested adults that are raising the child. I think one of the drawbacks of traditional 'Nuclear' families is the veil of secrecy surrounding them, two adults with no witnesses doing what they think is what's best often without the aid of others can do some pretty sick and twisted things to children.  The amount of highly dysfunctional people I have met raised in committed monogamous relationships is countless.

The world is already over populated.  Your post smacks of typical religious righteousness, always looking to the past and repeating ways that have failed over and over again, never opening your minds to potentially better possibilities.  Traditional Nuclear Families based on religious principles have been an abject failure, they have ignored biology, they have produced horrible child rearing practises and raised unthinking morons willing to be used, abused and exploited and be none the wiser to it.

Just look at the first half of last century, the poverty,the inequality, the wars, the destruction, the genocide, the Nazis etc etc, all thanks to people raised in traditional "Nuclear families' with religious overtones.

[_bruce_]

A well functioning family is the best thing ever.

[snx]

You start by suggesting that children raised by traditional two parent families is ideal.  The world is already fucked, the average person is an arsehole, the majority of child rearing is damaging and destructive, hence the completely dysfunctional societies we currently have. Religious Nutters like to throw the blame on single mothers, when traditional 'Nuclear' families are no better.  The issue is child rearing beliefs held by the mainstream, most of their methods are sadistic and designed to produce an obedient automaton prepared to fit into a sick world rather than raise a critically thinking, loved individual.  These sick child rearing principles are applied by traditional and non traditional families alike.

One assumption you made was that I was promoting casual sex, I talked about polygamy, a man committing to several women and them committing to him.  And yes I think women should do the majority of the child rearing.  Children of polygamous relationships will have the benefit of having multiple concerned adults supporting them.  If a child is being abused, the potential for support and an end to the abuse is more likely the more invested adults that are raising the child. I think one of the drawbacks of traditional 'Nuclear' families is the veil of secrecy surrounding them, two adults with no witnesses doing what they think is what's best often without the aid of others can do some pretty sick and twisted things to children.  The amount of highly dysfunctional people I have met raised in committed monogamous relationships is countless.

The world is already over populated.  Your post smacks of typical religious righteousness, always looking to the past and repeating ways that have failed over and over again, never opening your minds to potentially better possibilities.  Traditional Nuclear Families based on religious principles have been an abject failure, they have ignored biology, they have produced horrible child rearing practises and raised unthinking morons willing to be used, abused and exploited and be none the wiser to it.

Just look at the first half of last century, the poverty,the inequality, the wars, the destruction, the genocide, the Nazis etc etc, all thanks to people raised in traditional "Nuclear families' with religious overtones.

Aha...now I know a bit more about your viewpoint.

To add some quick summations:

1. you are not sold on the data that shows that children raised by a monogamous mother/father relationship have advantages over children with an alternative parental situation. Rather, that said data is antiquated or misleading, and is not a reflection of what you see as the reality of society today.

2. you are not endorsing casual sex, but rather, polygamy. I understand the difference here. Interesting. In which case, I would withdraw my questions about children in your scenario...I do believe children of committed polygamous relationships can grow up quite normal in many cases. Love and protection would still be possible, although said children would grow up with an alternative view on the male/female gender roles in society.


I'll counter your societal viewpoint with a more evolutionary viewpoint. I won't debate you on genocides or religion or all that fun stuff...too hard, and tiring for me. You can have that one if you want it.

No, I'll take an evolutionary advantageous viewpoint.

You see, the polygamous relationship is married best to species who are able to have many children as quickly as possible. Said species accepts that there will be loss of children due to attrition, however, the reproduction rate outpaces said attrition. Hence, this species exploits a genetic advantage to pass along the genotype. They cannot invest too heavily in any one particular child, as this is costly and takes resources away from reproducing as often as possible.

However, humans reproduce very slowly, relatively speaking. Attrition of offspring is extremely costly to the human species. Hence, humans have evolved to provide a very nurturing and protective environment to ensure over-protection of the offspring. This ensures less attrition, allowing the species to compete more effectively with fast-reproducing species for scarce resources.

Where we differ, then, is that I believe a monogamous two-person relationship will be more inherently vested in protecting and passing along advantages to their child than a polygamous relationship, where the father is not as committed to each of the many children he fathers.

[Radical Plato]

Aha...now I know a bit more about your viewpoint.

To add some quick summations:

1. you are not sold on the data that shows that children raised by a monogamous mother/father relationship have advantages over children with an alternative parental situation. Rather, that said data is antiquated or misleading, and is not a reflection of what you see as the reality of society today.

2. you are not endorsing casual sex, but rather, polygamy. I understand the difference here. Interesting. In which case, I would withdraw my questions about children in your scenario...I do believe children of committed polygamous relationships can grow up quite normal in many cases. Love and protection would still be possible, although said children would grow up with an alternative view on the male/female gender roles in society.


I'll counter your societal viewpoint with a more evolutionary viewpoint. I won't debate you on genocides or religion or all that fun stuff...too hard, and tiring for me. You can have that one if you want it.

No, I'll take an evolutionary advantageous viewpoint.

You see, the polygamous relationship is married best to species who are able to have many children as quickly as possible. Said species accepts that there will be loss of children due to attrition, however, the reproduction rate outpaces said attrition. Hence, this species exploits a genetic advantage to pass along the genotype. They cannot invest too heavily in any one particular child, as this is costly and takes resources away from reproducing as often as possible.

However, humans reproduce very slowly, relatively speaking. Attrition of offspring is extremely costly to the human species. Hence, humans have evolved to provide a very nurturing and protective environment to ensure over-protection of the offspring. This ensures less attrition, allowing the species to compete more effectively with fast-reproducing species for scarce resources.

Where we differ, then, is that I believe a monogamous two-person relationship will be more inherently vested in protecting and passing along advantages to their child than a polygamous relationship, where the father is not as committed to each of the many children he fathers.

Interesting.  It's a controversial subject.  I suppose the core of my belief is centred around the widely held child rearing principles, then it doesn't really matter who is doing the raising.  Personally, I think fathers do more harm than good, and it might be possible the less interest they show the better.  That's not to say they don't have a role, but better there role is leading by example and providing resources than more hands on.

But back to why I think child rearing principles are so important, Alice Miller wrote a book on Nazis and their childhoods, and many Germans were raised in strict authoritarian and punitive ways to be obedient and non-questioning of authority, often by devout Religious couples.  The idea was to break their will before they even reached an age were they were even aware their will had been broken and any and all methods were acceptable, corporal punishment, deceit, blackmail, all manner of manipulations etc etc.  ANd while this type of upbringing raised compliant orderly citizens it also created a scenario ripe to be exploited.  Essentially it created adults that would follow orders without question, as long as the person giving the orders was authoritarian and parental in nature.  This is why so many Germans simply became Nazis and blindly followed orders.  I can't remember which Nazi leader it was, but it was one of the overseers of the extermination of millions of Jews, when he was being tried at Nuremberg for his crimes against humanity, he never once showed even the slightest hint of emotion while they read out his long list of atrocities, and yet when an order was given for the defendants to stand and he didn't hear it, upon realizing his mistake, he stood up, blushed deeply with embarrassment and apologised to the court.  He was more affected by not following an order than he was the recitation of the countless crimes against humanity he had committed.

My belief is the child rearing principles in general need to be studied and revised.  But you try telling that to society, even try suggesting they shouldn't hit their kids and they will want to rip your balls off.  Probably one of the most damaging aspects of childhood abuse and neglect is that it creates adults who willingly perpetuate the cycle and justify it.  It creates patterns that are incredibly difficult to alter.  You can literally make or break a human being in the early years of their life.  Sadly, the majority of human beings are broken.  I suppose in some way I believe in the old adage 'It Takes a Village to Raise a Child', but how society can best set up such a scenario is beyond me. JMO

[snx]

Interesting.  It's a controversial subject.  I suppose the core of my belief is centred around the widely held child rearing principles, then it doesn't really matter who is doing the raising.  Personally, I think fathers do more harm than good, and it might be possible the less interest they show the better.  That's not to say they don't have a role, but better there role is leading by example and providing resources than more hands on.

But back to why I think child rearing principles are so important, Alice Miller wrote a book on Nazis and their childhoods, and many Germans were raised in strict authoritarian and punitive ways to be obedient and non-questioning of authority, often by devout Religious couples.  The idea was to break their will before they even reached an age were they were even aware their will had been broken and any and all methods were acceptable, corporal punishment, deceit, blackmail, all manner of manipulations etc etc.  ANd while this type of upbringing raised compliant orderly citizens it also created a scenario ripe to be exploited.  Essentially it created adults that would follow orders without question, as long as the person giving the orders was authoritarian and parental in nature.  This is why so many Germans simply became Nazis and blindly followed orders.  I can't remember which Nazi leader it was, but it was one of the overseers of the extermination of millions of Jews, when he was being tried at Nuremberg for his crimes against humanity, he never once showed even the slightest hint of emotion while they read out his long list of atrocities, and yet when an order was given for the defendants to stand an he didn't hear it, upon realizing his mistake, he stood up, blushed deeply with embarrassment and apologised to the court.  He was more affected by not following an order than he was the recitation of the countless crimes against humanity he had committed.

My belief is the child rearing principles in general need to be studied and revised.  But you try telling that to society, even try suggesting they shouldn't hit their kids and they will want to rip your balls off.  Probably one of the most damaging aspects of childhood abuse and neglect is that it creates adults who willingly perpetuate the cycle and justify it.  It creates patterns that are incredibly difficult to alter.  You can literally make or break a human being in the early years of their life.  Sadly, the majority of human beings are broken.  I suppose in some way I believe in the old adage 'It Takes a Village to Raise a Child', but how society can best set up such a scenario is beyond me. JMO

Fair enough. We're all entitled to our opinions. I may not agree with yours, but that doesn't make me right.

[Radical Plato]

Fair enough. We're all entitled to our opinions. I may not agree with yours, but that doesn't make me right.

I think the main point of difference is the outcome we consider ideal.  Your methods produce so called well adjusted citizens ready to slot right into a dysfunctional society, where I differ is I think that's exactly what the world doesn't need.  That approach is kind of like giving drugs to a junkie, as long as the junkie gets drugs he will be fine, but it isn't what's best for him or everyone else.  For the world to change it needs intellectual dissenters who can rally a good following.  Conservatives like the status quo, I think it sucks, and to change it means cracking a few eggs to make an omelette. This can only happen if children are raised differently, not in an authoritarian and punitive way, that only kills the spirit of the human, eliminates their imagination and creates conformists who can only remain complicit in the perpetuation of a dysfunctional society.  The world NEEDS more rebels, not less. JMO

[snx]

I think the main point of difference is the outcome we consider ideal.  Your methods produce so called well adjusted citizens ready to slot right into a dysfunctional society, where I differ is I think that's exactly what the world doesn't need.  That approach is kind of like giving drugs to a junkie, as long as the junkie gets drugs he will be fine, but it isn't what's best for him or everyone else.  For the world to change it needs intellectual dissenters who can rally a good following.  Conservatives like the status quo, I think it sucks, and to change it means cracking a few eggs to make an omelette. This can only happen if children are raised differently, not in an authoritarian and punitive way, that only kills the spirit of the human, eliminates their imagination and creates conformists who can only remain complicit in the perpetuation of a dysfunctional society.  The world NEEDS more rebels, not less. JMO

Say what you want about anarchism...at least it's an ethos.

[Twaddle]

Looking at beautiful women is the very basis of our existence.  procreation is the name of the game, and men are biologically driven to mate with as many women as possible, preferably of the best genetic material.  Beauty being a good determinant of quality genetics.

If you explore the ideas of masturbation abstinators they always have some type of history of being shamed for their natural urges, typical of old fashioned. strict religious values.  The more they abstain, the greater power their libido has over them, but because they are ashamed of it, the more they come to despise such urges.  This is why those who choose to respond to their biological urges via healthy masturbation will arouse the scorn and contempt of the abstinator.  

Big Ro's belief that masturbation is bad for your health and immune system is basically just a modern day version of you will go blind or you will develop hairy palms if you masturbate.  Either way, masturbation abstinence is always tied up in some form of twisted morality, typical of righteous do-gooders and religious zealots.

Uberman, is that you?   

[thebrink]

What Ro said. I moved my pc into the living room and made a point of not using it for evil and now my cock is hard all day.

[kh300]

Remember, jacking off is basically the practice of fucking yourself, your hand smells like dick! You want that? Do you want to hold a dick in your hand when you have an orgasm?

Remember the drained lifeless feeling afterwards, over and over again, all for an 8 second sneeze. Remember the awkward feeling of emptiness after releasing your masculine energy into a rag. Take a look at how, all those years, it has held you back from meeting the women you could have met, from doing the things you wanted to do but didn't have the energy for, all those wasted hours, wasted opportunities.

What will happen if you continue that for a month, one month into the future, looking back at one month of being a lifeless fistfuarker, drained, every day, all the energy gone from your mind and body. What if you move that a year into the future, one year of jerking, one year of not being able to control yourself. one year of being a fucking beta fag! Will you look more alive? Less alive? what will others think of you if they saw you? What are all the opportunities that you missed, all the behaviors? All the things you haven't acted upon?

Now take it 5 years into the future... 5 years of being like the typical drained, lifeless, energyless, never with a woman fistfucking wanker...10 years? Lifetime?

But you don't have to, you can now make the decision to take control of yourself, to let go of the past and man the fuck up! Be a man! Let your masculine energy move throughout your life and body. What would it be like if you didn't jerk off for a month, a month of building up sexual energy, a month of productivity, how will other see you? What will be different? How will you view the world? What opportunities have you acted upon? How do you feel about yourself?

What if you take it one year into the future? Would you be proud of yourself? What would you teach others? What things would you have done? What new opportunities have risen up for you? What would it be like? Would you be more alive? Less alive?

What if you take it 5 years into the future, 5 years of this is you being who you really are, 5 years of being a man! 5 Years of you exuding this aura of masculine energy, 5 years of taking control. What will others say? How will you inspire the world? How will the people you inspire inspire the world from now on? What would you have accomplished?

It might be hard at times, or it could be completely flacid, just stop until your that 13 year old boy again, hard as steel, glistening in the moonlight, the day of the raging boner! that day shall come!

Or...just keep jacking off what the fuck do I care.

[Thick Nick]

Look at that, Thick Nick and EKul actually agree on something.

That's it. I changed my mind. If Ekul thinks it is ok then it must be wrong. I will never punch the clown ever again.

[_bruce_]

What Ro said. I moved my pc into the living room and made a point of not using it for evil and now my cock is hard all day.

PM sent - code word Juruth. 

@kh300 - kinda agree with you, but this sounds pretty dramatic... do you think the founding fathers were able to accomplish what they did because xhamster wasn't around...

[TheShape]

What would it be like if you didn't jerk off for a month, a month of building up sexual energy, a month of productivity, how will other see you? What will be different? How will you view the world? What opportunities have you acted upon? How do you feel about yourself?

I haven't jacked and I feel amazing. This man speaks truth.

[thebrink]

PM sent - code word Juruth. 

@kh300 - kinda agree with you, but this sounds pretty dramatic... do you think the founding fathers were able to accomplish what they did because xhamster wasn't around...

Trying to brush off the heart attack fetish 

[Radical Plato]

Remember, jacking off is basically the practice of fucking yourself, your hand smells like dick! You want that? Do you want to hold a dick in your hand when you have an orgasm?

Remember the drained lifeless feeling afterwards, over and over again, all for an 8 second sneeze. Remember the awkward feeling of emptiness after releasing your masculine energy into a rag. Take a look at how, all those years, it has held you back from meeting the women you could have met, from doing the things you wanted to do but didn't have the energy for, all those wasted hours, wasted opportunities.

What will happen if you continue that for a month, one month into the future, looking back at one month of being a lifeless fistfuarker, drained, every day, all the energy gone from your mind and body. What if you move that a year into the future, one year of jerking, one year of not being able to control yourself. one year of being a fucking beta fag! Will you look more alive? Less alive? what will others think of you if they saw you? What are all the opportunities that you missed, all the behaviors? All the things you haven't acted upon?

Now take it 5 years into the future... 5 years of being like the typical drained, lifeless, energyless, never with a woman fistfucking wanker...10 years? Lifetime?

But you don't have to, you can now make the decision to take control of yourself, to let go of the past and man the fuck up! Be a man! Let your masculine energy move throughout your life and body. What would it be like if you didn't jerk off for a month, a month of building up sexual energy, a month of productivity, how will other see you? What will be different? How will you view the world? What opportunities have you acted upon? How do you feel about yourself?

What if you take it one year into the future? Would you be proud of yourself? What would you teach others? What things would you have done? What new opportunities have risen up for you? What would it be like? Would you be more alive? Less alive?

What if you take it 5 years into the future, 5 years of this is you being who you really are, 5 years of being a man! 5 Years of you exuding this aura of masculine energy, 5 years of taking control. What will others say? How will you inspire the world? How will the people you inspire inspire the world from now on? What would you have accomplished?

It might be hard at times, or it could be completely flacid, just stop until your that 13 year old boy again, hard as steel, glistening in the moonlight, the day of the raging boner! that day shall come!

Or...just keep jacking off what the fuck do I care.

I have known men who were members of Sex Addicts Anonymous, they all speak like this.  Horrible people to spend time with, they literally drain the life force out of you, you don't have to worry about masturbating after spending time with such people because you have zero libidio left for 3 weeks after spending an afternoon with them.  Little do they know it's their abstinence that causes them to be sex addicted, they literally talk about sex all the time but condemn themselves, it's torture to watch.  They talk about the shame they felt getting a 'HIT' perving on some girls on the bus and how they almost succumbed to the wank but didn't  blah, blah,blah.  It's excruciating to watch.  If you try telling them to have a wank so they can get on with life they think you have a problem and invite you to a meeting.

I often see life the other way around, many so called social occasions and trying to live some type of elevated lifestyle are over rated and joyless.  I often think I could have experienced an awesome release over a massive wank.

See, the thing is, I practised abstinence for many years when I was a younger man in search of the kundalini awakening.  I used to not even ejaculate when I had sex with my girlfriend, I used to practise deep breathing exercises and massaging the Perineum to relieve tension.  While you may experience short term changes in the beginning, it actually causes far more trouble later on, inability to concentrate, deep aggression and a literal physical anguish and the spiritual awakening attached to such practices is a myth.

You are more likely to find spiritual and physical balance by a regular routine of healthy masturbation.  JMO

[kh300]

PM sent - code word Juruth. 

@kh300 - kinda agree with you, but this sounds pretty dramatic... do you think the founding fathers were able to accomplish what they did because xhamster wasn't around...

Did they spend hour after hour looking for that perfect porn clip before they could finally release? Did they then go find an even more graphic video to get off a second time?

Trouble is now jerking off and porn go together. Forget an endless supply of internet porn, they didn't even have playboy. Can you jerk off and never look at porn? Then what are you using your imagination? Imagining some girl you saw that day because you didn't have the balls to say hi, because it's easier for you to jack off once you got home? What kind of a pussy move is that? I can't imagine the amount of shame I would feel if I jerked to the girl I saw at the gym tonight in yoga pants.

[prizm]

This is a serious answer so don't think I am trolling.

1mg Arimidex daily is 100% guaranteed to cure you of your porn addiction.


I am fucking serious I know!

A single dose of 1mg adex would have me flaccid for a month. This would definitely do the job and also make you suicidal.

Jerking it 2-3 times a week should be the max in my opinion. Save the rest of your time and energy for real women. Chicks aren't down with a dude that has ED because his hand feels better than anything else and he's used to watching fucked up fetishes on xvideo to get off. Shit isn't right no matter how you spin it. Best feeling in the world is not getting off for a few days, smashing your girl with the fury of 10,000 suns, and leaving her there gasping for her breath after you just ravaged that for an hour.

Cold turkey that shit and if you need to jerk it, do it like when you were 13...stick to some naked bitches in Playboy pics or something. Nothing beyond that. You won't get desensitized to the real deal.

[kh300]

I have known men who were members of Sex Addicts Anonymous, they all speak like this.  Horrible people to spend time with, they literally drain the life force out of you, you don't have to worry about masturbating after spending time with such people because you have zero libidio left for 3 weeks after spending some time with them.  Little do they know it's their abstinence that causes them to be sex addicted, they literally talk about sex all the time but condemn themselves, it's torture to watch.  They talk about the shame they felt getting a 'HIT' perving on some girls on the bus and how they almost succumbed to the wank but didn't  blah, blah,blah.  It's excruciating to watch.  If you try telling them to have a wank so they can get on with life they think you have a problem and invite you to a meeting.

I often see life the other way around, many so called social occasions and trying to live some type of elevated lifestyle are over rated and joyless.  I often think I could have experienced an awesome release over a massive wank.

See, the thing is, I practised abstinence for many years when I was a younger man in search of the kundalini awakening.  I used to not even ejaculate when I had sex with my girlfriend, I used to practise deep breathing exercises and massaging the Perineum to relieve tension.  While you may experience short term changes in the beginning, it actually causes far more trouble later on, inability to concentrate, deep aggression and a literal physical anguish and the spiritual awakening attached to such practices is a myth.

You are more likely to find spiritual and physical balance by a regular routine of healthy masturbation.  JMO

Every one is different. To me jerking just drains the life out of me. I remember when I first gave it up people were like 'somethings different about you',,''you have such good posture'' things I never heard before. So I continued on.

Now the whole point of 'no fap' is not sexual abstinence t's to get laid as much as you can. Its to get girls to do it for you. If a girl gives me a handjob I feel like I accomplished something, not the shame I would if I did it myself.

Its hard to have 'healthy masterbation' in todays world. There are just too much available porn.

[Radical Plato]

Every one is different. To me jerking just drains the life out of me. I remember when I first gave it up people were like 'somethings different about you',,''you have such good posture'' things I never heard before. So I continued on.

Now the whole point of 'no fap' is not sexual abstinence t's to get laid as much as you can. Its to get girls to do it for you. If a girl gives me a handjob I feel like I accomplished something, not the shame I would if I did it myself.

The whole energy drain thing is different for me, it depends on the time of the day.  When I was younger one of the ways I used to wake up was with a good wank, it had the opposite effect when I was half asleep, it actually energised me. Do it in the afternoon and you are likely to be sleepy, but that goes for other things in the afternoon.  I tend to get a natural siesta feeling in the afternoon anyway, and a heavy lunch can easily trigger the same response as an afternoon wank. At nighttime before bed, the natural sleepiness after a good wank can be a natural melatonin releaser, easing the mind and body into a quick and deep slumber.

And I agree, their is a short term change, hard to describe it really.  But it soon becomes the norm and lifes frustrations continue on unabated and you realise you don't actually have super powers from not wanking and that wanking is normal and natural and you decide to bash the bishop.  

These masturbation abstinence guys remind me of the buddha on his spiritual quest, back then other seekers used to practise asceticism (extreme self deprivation) believing it would elevate them to the spiritual heights they sought.  When it nearly killed the buddha and he was found dying and offered some milk (pardon the pun) by a girl that then roused him (pardon the pun) from his near death experience he had a minor awakening, and that was the importance of moderation, and anything taken to the extreme is dangerous and actually takes you further away from your spiritual goals.

[galeniko]

porn addiction is bad thing, often with quite serious reasons behind it.


ronan is smart.

find your inner self and inner peace.

find a real woman, go visit a hooker.

forget online porn and never look back.

ok,if one has his daily 1 wank of 5 minutes, dont think thats a problem.


how you get rid of the addcition is simple go out and socialize with ppl, and yes put the computer in a place where all guests or family can see it and have access to your browsing history.

haha one time an ex has showed about 10 visitors my porn browsing history"look what this sick fuck looks at whenim not home"

[thebrink]

porn addiction is bad thing, often with quite serious reasons behind it.


ronan is smart.

find your inner self and inner peace.

find a real woman, go visit a hooker.

forget online porn and never look back.

ok,if one has his daily 1 wank of 5 minutes, dont think thats a problem.


how you get rid of the addcition is simple go out and socialize with ppl, and yes put the computer in a place where all guests or family can see it and have access to your browsing history.

haha one time an ex has showed about 10 visitors my porn browsing history"look what this sick fuck looks at whenim not home"

This. Its so simple how can ppl be arguing against it makes no sense to me.

How can you feel like more of a man after you've given yourself a fake happy ending than being full of testosterone and manful. Abstinence increases virility and thats it.