'United States of Europe'? Brussels should check with EU citizens first

[Roger Bacon]

'United States of Europe'? Brussels should check with EU citizens first
Published time: February 19, 2014 12:37

The EU is to blame for many problems in European countries, and many people have no choice but to turn to the far-right parties and reject the over-bureaucratic and undemocratic EU, Danish member of the European Parliament, Morten Messerschmidt, told RT.

RT: What do you make of this 'United States of Europe' idea?

Morten Messerschmidt: Well, on the one hand, I think it’s nice that Viviane Reding, who is one of the commissioners, has spoken openly [about] her desires and dreams. So many other commissioners or officials will never admit that their goal is to form the Federal European Union. On the other hand, I’m quite sure that the citizens of Europe don’t want to have this federal state that Viviane Reding is speaking about. Obviously, she therefore reveals the ideology of Brussels which is in contradiction with the people of Europe. That’s why we need to have more referendums and to check whether the people of Europe actually want to give up all their sovereignty - fiscal policies, migration policies and so on - to an unelected body in Brussels that Viviane Reding represents.


RT: There's concern over rising poverty and unemployment in the European bloc. How can this be tackled in the possible States of Europe?

MM: There are so many issues and crises in the EU countries right at the moment and many of them have actually been created by the EU. For instance, forming the eurozone, trying to merge together very different economies in the south and the north, that obviously is the main reason why the eurozone is still the only major economy in the world that is still in recession. When it comes to the free movement not only of workers, but of citizens around the EU, that has obviously led to many problems. For example in Denmark, with beggars and criminals and other people coming transnationally from the Eastern European countries, without any possibility for our police forces to protect our country, not even after they have been expelled we can be sure they won’t come back, because due to Brussels regulation we are prohibited from having border control. So many of these problems have actually come due to the EU regulation.

RT: The EU has already suspended talks with Switzerland over EU research and education programs because of the recent anti-immigration vote there. Do you think the Swiss really care about that?

MM: I think that the Swiss care about their future, and they care about the problems that the open borders and the free movement have created much more than they care whether some program on education and science have been put on ice by Brussels. I’m quite sure that actually the EU officials will soon admit that they have just as much at stake as the Swiss here. For instance, the EU has invested many billions of euros in the CERN, in the particle accelerator in Switzerland. So I think it’s very stupid and juvenile reaction to a very rational approach by the majority of the Swiss voters simply saying that the entire free movement, the lack of border control has created catastrophe, has created chaos where we have no control of who is coming in and out of our countries, when we have no possibilities of checking whether the rules of labor markets, of payments and stuff like that are being [observed]. And I think the EU should rather be engaged in the debate about the problems they have created than be closing their eyes to the reality.

Read more: http://rt.com/op-edge/united-states-of-europe-reding-715/

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[Roger Bacon]

Irongrip:

RT: Meanwhile far-right parties and nationalists are gaining strength and they are hailing the Swiss vote. Do you think such sentiments will only get worse?

MM: I fear what will happen here in May at the European parliament elections around some European countries where we have seen movements and sentiments, parties that we've thought would belong only to the past. In Greece now we have a new fascist party, we see Le Front National in France is to get around 20-25 percent of the votes. These are certainty parties that I never expected nor hoped would once again get support in Europe. We have to understand that when these parties come, it’s not because the Europeans are turning to the extreme right out of their free will. It's because many of the problems that form our everyday life - with criminal migrants, with recession of the economy - have been built and created by the EU, and this is therefore the only rational approach for many people to reject the over-controlled, over-bureaucratic and undemocratic EU. There is no way for them to go because old parties remain very loyal to the EU, they would never speak against Brussels, and therefore, the voters are actually almost forced to join or support extreme parties.

[galeniko]

and the nationalists will fix the econmy how?


 

[El Diablo Blanco]

They have a common currency. Now are owned by the same bank. Nothing to stop Europe from becoming a country instead of a continent. England knew what it was doing by not joining.

[Voici Le Rédempteur]

Irongrip:

RT: Meanwhile far-right parties and nationalists are gaining strength and they are hailing the Swiss vote. Do you think such sentiments will only get worse?

MM: I fear what will happen here in May at the European parliament elections around some European countries where we have seen movements and sentiments, parties that we've thought would belong only to the past. In Greece now we have a new fascist party, we see Le Front National in France is to get around 20-25 percent of the votes. These are certainty parties that I never expected nor hoped would once again get support in Europe. We have to understand that when these parties come, it’s not because the Europeans are turning to the extreme right out of their free will. It's because many of the problems that form our everyday life - with criminal migrants, with recession of the economy - have been built and created by the EU, and this is therefore the only rational approach for many people to reject the over-controlled, over-bureaucratic and undemocratic EU. There is no way for them to go because old parties remain very loyal to the EU, they would never speak against Brussels, and therefore, the voters are actually almost forced to join or support extreme parties.

I voted for Le Front National. Great reply BTW. many smart posters on this forum.

[galeniko]

They have a common currency. Now are owned by the same bank. Nothing to stop Europe from becoming a country instead of a continent. England knew what it was doing by not joining.

well the pound came down crashing badly though.

[Icelord]

and the nationalists will fix the econmy how?


 

By blaming immigrants and the EU parliament's legislators as well as other unnamed bureaucrats. The usual hypernationalist sludge ladled out to the perpetually hungry amorphous ignorant masses.

[Roger Bacon]

and the nationalists will fix the econmy how?


 

MM: There are so many issues and crises in the EU countries right at the moment and many of them have actually been created by the EU. For instance, forming the eurozone, trying to merge together very different economies in the south and the north, that obviously is the main reason why the eurozone is still the only major economy in the world that is still in recession. When it comes to the free movement not only of workers, but of citizens around the EU, that has obviously led to many problems. For example in Denmark, with beggars and criminals and other people coming transnationally from the Eastern European countries, without any possibility for our police forces to protect our country, not even after they have been expelled we can be sure they won’t come back, because due to Brussels regulation we are prohibited from having border control. So many of these problems have actually come due to the EU regulation.

[Voici Le Rédempteur]

By blaming immigrants and the EU parliament's legislators as well as other unnamed bureaucrats. The usual hypernationalist sludge ladled out to the perpetually hungry amorphous ignorant masses.

doesn't make sense what you posted. please explain.

[Roger Bacon]

hypernationalist sludge

The very basic right of self-determination by sovereign people is hypernationalist?  

[Icelord]

doesn't make sense what you posted. please explain.

I can write it in French if you like, since that's my second language. Before declaring something doesn't make sense, which is your proposition, you may want to elaborate on what it is that's unclear about it.

But basically the same slogans and empty promises laced together by subliminal attacks on the recently-arrived with a cacophony of anti-EU messages blared out of their political bullhorns is what it amounts to. The idea of a country for its countrymen is as old as igneous rock and about as valuable.

[Icelord]

The very basic right of nations to self-determination is hypernationalist?  

If it was merely a referendum on EU membership, that would be one thing. It's never just that. That's the cloak for a pandora's box of anti-socialist, anti-immigrant, anti-welfare state invective  packaged as a 'national' program. It's mostly hot air.

[Roger Bacon]

If it was merely a referendum on EU membership, that would be one thing. It's never just that. That's the cloak for a pandora's box of anti-socialist, anti-immigrant, anti-welfare state invective  packaged as a 'national' program. It's mostly hot air.

If it's in the voters best interest, what's the problem?

Why should the people of France or Germany put their best interests on the back burner for nothing more than opinions like "The idea of a country for its countrymen is as old as igneous rock and about as valuable." and to benefit the very wealthy world minority?

[El Diablo Blanco]

Who controls the euro?  Does anyone know?

[Roger Bacon]

Who controls the euro?  Does anyone know?

Consolidating all power at the very top of the pyramid is a very intelligent idea...

Surely the voters would agree, given the choice.

[galeniko]

By blaming immigrants and the EU parliament's legislators as well as other unnamed bureaucrats. The usual hypernationalist sludge ladled out to the perpetually hungry amorphous ignorant masses.

yah same old

I voted for Le Front National. Great reply BTW. many smart posters on this forum.

ah yeah, realy

In 1972, Le Pen founded the Front National (FN) party, along with former OAS member Jacques Bompard, former Collaborationist Roland Gaucher and others nostalgics of Vichy France, neo-Nazi pagans, Traditionalist Catholics, and others


lol:

The National Front (Front national (French pronunciation: ​[fʁɔ̃ na.sjɔ.nal]) or FN) is an economically protectionist

lol, freedom:

 a zero tolerance approach to law and order issues

noting ,fuck all will change, they being selective

The party's opposition to immigration is particularly focused on non-European immigration,

ooops


As the party gained growing support from the economically vulnerable, it converted towards politics of social welfare and economic protectionism.[135] This was part of its shift away from its former claim of being the "social, popular and national right" to its claim of being "neither right nor left – French!"[136] Increasingly, the party's program became an uneasy amalgam of free market and welfarist policies.[92][137]

on ww2

In 2005, Jean-Marie Le Pen considered in the far-right weekly magazine Rivarol that the German occupation of France "was not particularly inhumane, even if there were a few blunders

pretty good.

[Icelord]

If it's in the voters best interest, what's the problem?

Why should the people of France or Germany put their best interests on the back burner for nothing more than new opinions like "The idea of a country for its countrymen is as old as igneous rock and about as valuable." and to benefit the very wealthy world minority?

The people don't know anything about an ideal, or economic principles, or distribution of wealth or...government and how it functions in the wider context of a multinational political confederation. The people will vote for bread and circuses, in Germany (see: the Nazi era), France (see: De Gaullism), as anywhere else. I highly doubt you know what's best for them. Neither do I. What you can do is critically analyze what's being peddled as a national solution which in fact basically expropriates the ideas of other similar governments who've tried the same things in the past with no better results. It's just history repeating itself and using a different scapegoat for all the country's problems, ignoring complex global issues that are responsible.

The wealthy will always control 95% or so of the wealth. You say that as if it's something novel or outrageous. It's how capitalism works. Most people aren't fit to start successful businesses or invent things, or be famous.

[Irongrip400]

My dick is getting harder by the moment. Soon, Triumph of The Will will be played throught theaters in France, Switzerland and the Netherlands. Once they see the coast is clear, Germany will rise up, and smash the moozlim North Africans in their midst. Austria will follow. Nationalism. Good stuff.


Also, I foresaw this after watching Downfall a few years back. That closing statement that Hitler dictates to Traudl Jung, where he talks about one day the truth being brought to light. (Maybe it was Goebbels?)

[Roger Bacon]

Another Vichy Government is what France needs right now. 

[galeniko]

you can bet theres more homeless it the usa than the eu

The highest rates for lifetime literal homelessness were found in the UK (7.7%) and United States (6.2%), with the lowest rate in Germany (2.4%), and intermediate rates in Italy (4.0%) and Belgium (3.4%). Less compassionate attitudes toward the homeless were also found on many dimensions in the United States and the UK.

Another Vichy Government is what France needs right now. 

do you know what that was?

[Icelord]

lol,
the "national front"
xenophobia, protectionist tariffs, the muzzling of muslim culture (they're so terrible, diluting our vaunted 2000 year history of <....>)
and of course, france for the french
same as the national socialists or the right wing of the republican party, just not militaristic
yawn
and even so, never voted for by more than a relative fringe of the population, which admittedly isn't gifted with advanced notions of politics
but knows enough that's all old bunk

[galeniko]

btw this is a brutal lie, border control is very much in effet in the european union.

how can you doubt that?haha ever been to...uhhhm, an airport for examle?

channel tunnel?germany, few miles aftert the old borders, they have border patrolsnone the less.

naval [patro;s, you think those are just gone?

[Icelord]

My dick is getting harder by the moment. Soon, Triumph of The Will will be played throught theaters in France, Switzerland and the Netherlands. Once they see the coast is clear, Germany will rise up, and smash the moozlim North Africans in their midst. Austria will follow. Nationalism. Good stuff.


Also, I foresaw this after watching Downfall a few years back. That closing statement that Hitler dictates to Traudl Jung, where he talks about one day the truth being brought to light. (Maybe it was Goebbels?)

it was Hitler
he said one day the world will know that he was right
blah blah
another narcissistic egomaniac who didn't pay taxes, siphoned millions for himself and his immediate circle
and bled the country's working class dry while squeezing the middle class first in wages and later into his shitty army that couldn't beat a bunch of Russians pulling rifles on oxen
lol
Nazis were a bad joke, goosestepping to history's recycling bin on a really incredibly bad set of ideas

[Roger Bacon]

The people don't know anything about an ideal, or economic principles, or distribution of wealth or...government and how it functions in the wider context of a multinational political confederation. The people will vote for bread and circuses, in Germany (see: the Nazi era), France (see: De Gaullism), as anywhere else. I highly doubt you know what's best for them. Neither do I. What you can do is critically analyze what's being peddled as a national solution which in fact basically expropriates the ideas of other similar governments who've tried the same things in the past with no better results. It's just history repeating itself and using a different scapegoat for all the country's problems, ignoring complex global issues that are responsible.

The wealthy will always control 95% or so of the wealth. You say that as if it's something novel or outrageous. It's how capitalism works. Most people aren't fit to start successful businesses or invent things, or be famous.

Good post, I appreciate the fact that you don't try to sugarcoat or bullshit.