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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #125 on: September 21, 2014, 08:57:07 AM »
You want to keep going? lol ok then. Even after posting constant lies you feel it's best for you to continue? you are showing your ass like a cheap whore here. A person who cares about you on here should PM you to stop this.

I love how your articles rail against using data from decades, when it requires centuries according to these hacks, yet they use one month in one year as evidence.

This guy is literally referencing himself as support for his arguments.

These are called facts, pay attention moron

http://climate.nasa.gov/

3.17MM increase in sea level per year (they haven't rose according to you) this is double last centuries rates, again you are a liar. the fucking numbers are at the top of the page. 2000-2009 was the warmest decade ever recorded, again you claim no warming, liar.

Since you like the IPCC so much  here is a quote for ya.

"Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal." do you know what that word means stupid?

Indeed I do know what the word means. I'm sure if you ask some alchemists, they would have said the same thing about lead turning into gold....unequivocially.

In the same vein, those guys who got trapped in that ice thought the ice was "unequivocally" supposed to be melted.

Using big words and actually being accurate are two different things. Try to keep up, genius.

As for Newman's referencing himself? Ummm... I wasn't aware that Alex Newman also wenty by the name Fritz Vahrenholt....or Ian Elliot.....or Pierre Gosselin.
  
Even other treehuggers are contorting themselves for another explanation as to why the facts don't match the models.


The 17-year pause in global warming is likely to last into the 2030s and the Arctic sea ice has already started to recover, according to new research.

A paper in the peer-reviewed journal Climate Dynamics – by Professor Judith Curry of the Georgia Institute of Technology and Dr Marcia Wyatt – amounts to a stunning challenge to climate science orthodoxy.

Not only does it explain the unexpected pause, it suggests that the scientific majority – whose views are represented by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) – have underestimated the role of natural cycles and exaggerated that of greenhouse gases.

The research comes amid mounting evidence that the computer models on which the IPCC based the gloomy forecasts of a rapidly warming planet in its latest report, published in September, are diverging widely from reality.


The pause means there has been no statistically significant increase in world average surface temperatures since the beginning of 1997, despite the models’ projection of a steeply rising trend.

According to Dr Hawkins, the divergence is now so great that the world’s climate is cooler than what the models collectively predicted with ‘five to 95 per cent certainty’.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2485772/Global-warming-pause-20-years-Arctic-sea-ice-started-recover.html#ixzz3Dy5mRKtO





- Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

I even find it humurous that AVXO is claiming that man made influences are unproven, that's completely incorrect also.

"Ninety-seven percent of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities,1and most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources."

There is literally moutains of evidence showing it's anthropogenic, mountains. The other known variables do not account for it, it's us.

Would this be the same IPCC caught fudging the numbers again?

http://www.climatedepot.com/2010/12/08/special-report-more-than-1000-international-scientists-dissent-over-manmade-global-warming-claims-challenge-un-ipcc-gore-2/

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #126 on: September 21, 2014, 10:17:28 AM »
Indeed I do know what the word means. I'm sure if you ask some alchemists, they would have said the same thing about lead turning into gold....unequivocially.

In the same vein, those guys who got trapped in that ice thought the ice was "unequivocally" supposed to be melted.

Using big words and actually being accurate are two different things. Try to keep up, genius.

As for Newman's referencing himself? Ummm... I wasn't aware that Alex Newman also wenty by the name Fritz Vahrenholt....or Ian Elliot.....or Pierre Gosselin.
  
Even other treehuggers are contorting themselves for another explanation as to why the facts don't match the models.


The 17-year pause in global warming is likely to last into the 2030s and the Arctic sea ice has already started to recover, according to new research.

A paper in the peer-reviewed journal Climate Dynamics – by Professor Judith Curry of the Georgia Institute of Technology and Dr Marcia Wyatt – amounts to a stunning challenge to climate science orthodoxy.

Not only does it explain the unexpected pause, it suggests that the scientific majority – whose views are represented by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) – have underestimated the role of natural cycles and exaggerated that of greenhouse gases.

The research comes amid mounting evidence that the computer models on which the IPCC based the gloomy forecasts of a rapidly warming planet in its latest report, published in September, are diverging widely from reality.


The pause means there has been no statistically significant increase in world average surface temperatures since the beginning of 1997, despite the models’ projection of a steeply rising trend.

According to Dr Hawkins, the divergence is now so great that the world’s climate is cooler than what the models collectively predicted with ‘five to 95 per cent certainty’.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2485772/Global-warming-pause-20-years-Arctic-sea-ice-started-recover.html#ixzz3Dy5mRKtO



Would this be the same IPCC caught fudging the numbers again?

http://www.climatedepot.com/2010/12/08/special-report-more-than-1000-international-scientists-dissent-over-manmade-global-warming-claims-challenge-un-ipcc-gore-2/

You are right I admit defeat, the climate depot is the spot with lord monckton and his facts. you are still pushing articles written by him? LMAO are you just to stupid to understand he isn't credible?

So now IPCC are lying, yet you are using their data to refute them? lol.

Dr. Hawkins, hmm another liar?

http://www.skepticalscience.com/hawkins-hiatus-gif.html

the simulations predict numerous slow downs moron, you aren't doing anything but showing how little you know. They match the actual trend nearly flawlessly, so again where are these incorrect predictions?

How many more copy and pasted articles are you going to post? you won't save any face here because you are lying.

I am posting NASA articles you are posting stuff from lord (not even a lord lol) monckton from the climate depot.

Shall we keep going?

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #127 on: September 21, 2014, 10:24:38 AM »
Indeed I do know what the word means. I'm sure if you ask some alchemists, they would have said the same thing about lead turning into gold....unequivocially.

In the same vein, those guys who got trapped in that ice thought the ice was "unequivocally" supposed to be melted.

Using big words and actually being accurate are two different things. Try to keep up, genius.

As for Newman's referencing himself? Ummm... I wasn't aware that Alex Newman also wenty by the name Fritz Vahrenholt....or Ian Elliot.....or Pierre Gosselin.
  
Even other treehuggers are contorting themselves for another explanation as to why the facts don't match the models.


The 17-year pause in global warming is likely to last into the 2030s and the Arctic sea ice has already started to recover, according to new research.

A paper in the peer-reviewed journal Climate Dynamics – by Professor Judith Curry of the Georgia Institute of Technology and Dr Marcia Wyatt – amounts to a stunning challenge to climate science orthodoxy.

Not only does it explain the unexpected pause, it suggests that the scientific majority – whose views are represented by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) – have underestimated the role of natural cycles and exaggerated that of greenhouse gases.

The research comes amid mounting evidence that the computer models on which the IPCC based the gloomy forecasts of a rapidly warming planet in its latest report, published in September, are diverging widely from reality.


The pause means there has been no statistically significant increase in world average surface temperatures since the beginning of 1997, despite the models’ projection of a steeply rising trend.

According to Dr Hawkins, the divergence is now so great that the world’s climate is cooler than what the models collectively predicted with ‘five to 95 per cent certainty’.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2485772/Global-warming-pause-20-years-Arctic-sea-ice-started-recover.html#ixzz3Dy5mRKtO



Would this be the same IPCC caught fudging the numbers again?

http://www.climatedepot.com/2010/12/08/special-report-more-than-1000-international-scientists-dissent-over-manmade-global-warming-claims-challenge-un-ipcc-gore-2/

Absolutely no one said the ice would be melted, the ice sheet will take centuries to dissipate moron, of course they found ice in the artic are you actually that stupid? is that the type of evidence you accept?

Alchemy is a philosophy you moron, fuck you are soooooo stupid. It resembles science in no manner, makes sense you would equate feelings with facts and philosophy with science.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemy

"Though alchemy played a significant role in the development of early modern science,[1] it differs significantly from modern science in its inclusion of Hermetic principles and practices related to mythology, magic, religion, and spirituality. It is recognized as a protoscience that contributed to the development of modern chemistry and medicine. Alchemists developed a structure of basic laboratory techniques, theory, terminology, and experimental method, some of which are still in use today. However, alchemists predated modern foundations of chemistry, such as scientific skepticism, atomic theory, the modern understanding of a chemical element and a chemical substance, the periodic table and conservation of mass and stoichiometry. Instead, they believed in four elements and phlogiston, and cryptic symbolism and mysticism was an integral part of alchemical work."

are you aware that you are stupid or are you oblivious? it relied on mythology (your favorite!), magic LOL. It resembles modern science in no way. I laugh at your religion like I laugh at alchemy, both vestiges of stupidity.

"the creation of the fabled philosopher's stone; the ability to transmute base metals into the noble metals (gold or silver); and development of an elixir of life, which would confer youth and longevity."

Ya that sounds like science, harry potters philosophers stone and the fountain of youth, great work moron, these climatologists also use magic ::)

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #128 on: September 21, 2014, 10:46:42 AM »
You are right I admit defeat, the climate depot is the spot with lord monckton and his facts. you are still pushing articles written by him? LMAO are you just to stupid to understand he isn't credible?

So now IPCC are lying, yet you are using their data to refute them? lol.

Dr. Hawkins, hmm another liar?

http://www.skepticalscience.com/hawkins-hiatus-gif.html

the simulations predict numerous slow downs moron, you aren't doing anything but showing how little you know. They match the actual trend nearly flawlessly, so again where are these incorrect predictions?

How many more copy and pasted articles are you going to post? you won't save any face here because you are lying.

I am posting NASA articles you are posting stuff from lord (not even a lord lol) monckton from the climate depot.

Shall we keep going?

Save face from whom? I guess you missed the memo here. I post what I see fit to post, regardless of whether you or anyone else agrees with it.

And lost in all of your blubbering is the issue of the actual facts differing from IPCC models. Did I mention that whole ice thing....and the guys who got stuck in what wasn't supposed to be there.

You can post NASA articles until the cows come home. It still doesn't change that their so-called numbers don't crunch.

And BTW, thanks for the Wikipedia thing on alchemy. It just further makes my point on global warming, as both it and alchemy intermingle political and philosophical mess with science to push agendas and ideas, that were and are ultimately shows to be utter BS.


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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #129 on: September 21, 2014, 10:49:47 AM »
Absolutely no one said the ice would be melted, the ice sheet will take centuries to dissipate moron, of course they found ice in the artic are you actually that stupid? is that the type of evidence you accept?

Oh really!!?


The leader of a scientific expedition whose ship remains stranded in Antarctic ice says the team, which set out to prove climate change, is "stuck in our own experiment."

But Chris Turney, a professor of climate change at Australia’s University of New South Wales, said it was “silly” to suggest he and 73 others aboard the MV Akademic Shokalskiy were trapped in ice they’d sought to prove had melted. He remained adamant that sea ice is melting, even as the boat remained trapped in frozen seas.


http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/12/30/stuck-in-our-own-experiment-leader-trapped-team-insists-polar-ice-is-melting/

And, then there's this guy:

The speech by former US Vice-President Al Gore was apocalyptic. ‘The North Polar ice cap is falling off a cliff,’ he said. ‘It could be completely gone in summer in as little as seven years. Seven years from now.’

Those comments came in 2007 as Mr Gore accepted the Nobel Peace Prize for his campaigning on climate change.

But seven years after his warning, The Mail on Sunday can reveal that, far from vanishing, the Arctic ice cap has expanded for the second year in succession – with a surge, depending on how you measure it, of between 43 and 63 per cent since 2012.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2738653/Stunning-satellite-images-summer-ice-cap-thicker-covers-1-7million-square-kilometres-MORE-2-years-ago-despite-Al-Gore-s-prediction-ICE-FREE-now.html

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #130 on: September 21, 2014, 10:54:46 AM »
Save face from whom? I guess you missed the memo here. I post what I see fit to post, regardless of whether you or anyone else agrees with it.

And lost in all of your blubbering is the issue of the actual facts differing from IPCC models. Did I mention that whole ice thing....and the guys who got stuck in what wasn't supposed to be there.

You can post NASA articles until the cows come home. It still doesn't change that their so-called numbers don't crunch.

And BTW, thanks for the Wikipedia thing on alchemy. It just further makes my point on global warming, as both it and alchemy intermingle political and philosophical mess with science to push agendas and ideas, that were and are ultimately shows to be utter BS.



The facts don't differ, I just posted them perhaps you are too stupid to understand them, it's the only explanation left. They are right there in front of you from NASA and IPCC the man you quoted has been caught making up data, claiming to cure cancer etc you are a charlatan liar.

LOL at alchemy, you are stuck in the middle ages dude, you are the only person I know of that continually mentions things like the earth being flat, alchemy, louie pasteur etc you are a fraud.

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #131 on: September 21, 2014, 11:03:57 AM »
Oh really!!?


The leader of a scientific expedition whose ship remains stranded in Antarctic ice says the team, which set out to prove climate change, is "stuck in our own experiment."

But Chris Turney, a professor of climate change at Australia’s University of New South Wales, said it was “silly” to suggest he and 73 others aboard the MV Akademic Shokalskiy were trapped in ice they’d sought to prove had melted. He remained adamant that sea ice is melting, even as the boat remained trapped in frozen seas.


http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/12/30/stuck-in-our-own-experiment-leader-trapped-team-insists-polar-ice-is-melting/

And, then there's this guy:

The speech by former US Vice-President Al Gore was apocalyptic. ‘The North Polar ice cap is falling off a cliff,’ he said. ‘It could be completely gone in summer in as little as seven years. Seven years from now.’

Those comments came in 2007 as Mr Gore accepted the Nobel Peace Prize for his campaigning on climate change.

But seven years after his warning, The Mail on Sunday can reveal that, far from vanishing, the Arctic ice cap has expanded for the second year in succession – with a surge, depending on how you measure it, of between 43 and 63 per cent since 2012.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2738653/Stunning-satellite-images-summer-ice-cap-thicker-covers-1-7million-square-kilometres-MORE-2-years-ago-despite-Al-Gore-s-prediction-ICE-FREE-now.html

AL GORE again? are you that stupid? he is a politician, you can't honestly be this dumb right?

From your article.

"We're stuck in our own experiment," the Australasian Antarctic Expedition said in a statement. We came to Antarctica to study how one of the biggest icebergs in the world has altered the system by trapping ice. We ... are now ourselves trapped by ice surrounding our ship.

It was the ant artic you fucking moron, which is far different then the artic, there is nuance there, one has land, the other does not, do you not understand why this creates issues like ice burgs, drifts, varying densities etc? no you don't because you just posted a fox article as if it was science. . So the whole world is as well? NASA, the IPCC? every other country in the world also?

It;s laughable, you have lied repeatedly, been caught yet keep moving with your lies. you don;t even understand how CO2 works in the atmosphere, what hope do you have of understanding global climate? none.

so again I ask mister engineer, do you ask gym teachers to build things? to engineer? of course you don;t just like I don;t give a fuck what al gore thinks, or obama thinks or you think. None of you matter, the facts do and the people who understand them have spoken.

You have no self awareness, you are a lying fraud who has been exposed.

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #132 on: September 21, 2014, 11:05:35 AM »
The facts don't differ, I just posted them perhaps you are too stupid to understand them, it's the only explanation left. They are right there in front of you from NASA and IPCC the man you quoted has been caught making up data, claiming to cure cancer etc you are a charlatan liar.

LOL at alchemy, you are stuck in the middle ages dude, you are the only person I know of that continually mentions things like the earth being flat, alchemy, louie pasteur etc you are a fraud.

Hey doofus, I never claimed the Earth to be flat. As for alchemy, I mentioned that to make the point. It is utter BS, just like your treehugging mantra of global warming.

But, just to show yet more examples of the environmental goofies, continuing to shoot themselves in the feet.

First there was this:

Americans who lived through the 1960s and ’70s may remember the dire global-cooling predictions that were hyped and given great credibility by Newsweek, Time, Life, National Geographic, and numerous other mainstream media outlets. According to the man-made global-cooling theories of the time, billions of people should be dead by now owing to cooling-linked crop failures and starvation.

“If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but 11 degrees colder by the year 2000,” claimed ecology professor Kenneth E.F. Watt at the University of California in 1970. “This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age.” Of course, 2000 came and went, and the world did not get 11 degrees colder. No ice age arrived, either.

In 1971, another global-cooling alarmist, Stanford University professor Paul Ehrlich, who is perhaps best known for his 1968 book The Population Bomb, made similarly wild forecasts for the end of the millennium in a speech at the British Institute for Biology. “By the year 2000 the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people,” he claimed. “If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000 and give ten to one that the life of the average Briton would be of distinctly lower quality than it is today.” Of course, England still exists, and its population was doing much better in 2000 than when Ehrlich made his kooky claims. But long before 2000, Ehrlich had abandoned global-cooling alarmism in favor of warning that the Earth faced catastrophic global warming. Now he is warning that humans may soon be forced to resort to cannibalism.

To combat the alleged man-made cooling, “experts” suggested all sorts of grandiose schemes, including some that in retrospect appear almost too comical to be real. “Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climate change, or even to allay its effects,” reported Newsweek in its 1975 article “The Cooling World,” which claimed that Earth’s temperature had been plunging for decades due to humanity’s activities. Some of the “more spectacular solutions” proposed by the cooling theorists at the time included “melting the arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or diverting arctic rivers,” Newsweek reported.

Of course, the big alleged threat hyped in recent decades has been global warming, not global cooling. But the accuracy of the climate-change predictions since the cooling fears melted away has hardly improved.



30+ years later, our treehugging brethren switched to THIS:

No More Snow?

For well over a decade now, climate alarmists have been claiming that snow would soon become a thing of the past. In March 2000, for example, “senior research scientist” David Viner, working at the time for the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia, told the U.K. Independent that within “a few years,” snowfall would become “a very rare and exciting event” in Britain. “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he was quoted as claiming in the article, headlined “Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past.”

The very next year, snowfall across the United Kingdom increased by more than 50 percent. In 2008, perfectly timed for a “global warming” legislation debate in Parliament, London saw its first October snow since 1934 — or possibly even 1922, according to the U.K. Register. “It is unusual to have snow this early,” a spokesperson for the alarmist U.K. Met office admitted to The Guardian newspaper. By December of 2009, London saw its heaviest levels of snowfall in two decades. In 2010, the coldest U.K. winter since rec­ords began a century ago blanketed the islands with snow.

In early 2004, the CRU’s Viner and other self-styled “experts” warned that skiing in Scotland would soon become just a memory, thanks to alleged global warming. “Unfortunately, it’s just getting too hot for the Scottish ski industry,” Viner told The Guardian. Another “expert,” Adam Watson with the Centre for Ecology and Hydrology, told the paper that the skiing industry in Scotland had less than two decades left to go. Yet in 2013, too much snow kept many Scottish resorts closed. “Nevis Range, The Lecht, Cairngorm, Glenshee and Glencoe all remain closed today due to the heavy snow,” reported OnTheSnow.com on January 4, 2013. Ironically, by 2014, the BBC, citing experts, reported that the Scottish hills had more snow than at any point in seven decades. It also reported that the Nevis Range ski resort could not operate some of its lifts because they were “still buried under unprecedented amounts of snow.”

The IPCC has also been relentlessly hyping the snowless winter scare, along with gullible or agenda-driven politicians. In its 2001 Third Assessment Report, for example, the IPCC claimed “milder winter temperatures will decrease heavy snowstorms.” Again, though, the climate refused to cooperate. The year 2013, the last year for which complete data is available, featured the fourth-highest levels on record, according to data from Rutgers University’s Global Snow Lab. Spring snow cover was the highest in a decade, while data for the fall indicate that it was the fifth highest ever recorded. Last December, meanwhile, brought with it a new high record in Northern Hemisphere snow cover, Global Snow Lab data show.

Blame Global Warming?

After the outlandish predictions of snowless winters failed to materialize, the CRU dramatically changed its tune on snowfall. All across Britain, in fact, global-warming alarmists rushed to blame the record cold and heavy snow experienced in recent years on — you guessed it! — global warming. Less snow: global warming. More snow: global warming. Get it? Good.

The same phenomenon took place in the United States just last winter. As record cold and snowfall was pummeling much of North America, warming theorists contradicted all of their previous forecasts and claimed that global warming was somehow to blame. Among them: White House Science “Czar” John Holdren. “A growing body of evidence suggests that the kind of extreme cold being experienced by much of the United States as we speak is a pattern we can expect to see with increasing frequency, as global warming continues,” he claimed.

That assertion, of course, is exactly the opposite of what the UN “settled science” IPCC predicted in its 2001 global-warming report, which claimed that the planet would see “warmer winters and fewer cold spells, because of climate change.” Ironically, perhaps, Holdren warned decades ago that human CO2 emissions would lead to a billion deaths due to global warming-fueled global cooling — yes, cooling, which he said would lead to a new ice age by 2020.

Ridiculous forecasts have been made by other “climate scientists” who, like Holdren, continue to reap huge amounts of U.S. taxpayer dollars in salaries, grants, and benefits despite being consistently wrong. James Hansen, for instance, who headed NASA’s Goddard Institute for three dec­ades before taking a post at Columbia University, is one of the best known “climatologists” in the world — despite his long and embarrassing record of bad forecasting spanning decades
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http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/18888-embarrassing-predictions-haunt-the-global-warming-industry

I know; I know. He's a lawyer. So pointing out how the pine pumpers went from global cooling in the 70s and 80s to global warming in the 90s and 2000s doesn't count.

Darn this blasted planet!!

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #133 on: September 21, 2014, 11:15:21 AM »
AL GORE again? are you that stupid? he is a politician, you can't honestly be this dumb right?

From your article.

"We're stuck in our own experiment," the Australasian Antarctic Expedition said in a statement. We came to Antarctica to study how one of the biggest icebergs in the world has altered the system by trapping ice. We ... are now ourselves trapped by ice surrounding our ship.

It was the ant artic you fucking moron, which is far different then the artic, there is nuance there, one has land, the other does not, do you not understand why this creates issues like ice burgs, drifts, varying densities etc? no you don't because you just posted a fox article as if it was science. . So the whole world is as well? NASA, the IPCC? every other country in the world also?

It;s laughable, you have lied repeatedly, been caught yet keep moving with your lies. you don;t even understand how CO2 works in the atmosphere, what hope do you have of understanding global climate? none.

so again I ask mister engineer, do you ask gym teachers to build things? to engineer? of course you don;t just like I don;t give a fuck what al gore thinks, or obama thinks or you think. None of you matter, the facts do and the people who understand them have spoken.

You have no self awareness, you are a lying fraud who has been exposed.

Earth to numbskull!! Why did they get trapped again? They got trapped in ice they thought wasn't supposed to be there. Also from that article:

He remained adamant that sea ice is melting, even as the boat remained trapped in frozen seas.
So what does he believe: His theories, or the ACTUAL ICE that trapped him and six dozens of his buddies?

Furthermore....

In a failed effort to raise funds for the scheme from the public, the climate alarmists promised potential donors that they would investigate and share information about “environmental changes” taking place in Antarctica. “Crucially this pristine southern polar region is uniquely placed to monitor the health of our planet,” Turley and his associates said. The team also vowed to seek out information on the intersection between “global climate” and the region, claiming — somewhat ironically, in retrospect — that changes were “threatening the stability of Antarctic ice.”

“The Southern Ocean plays a crucial role in global climate and the carbon cycle,” the climate alarmists wrote, adding that “90% of the world’s excess heat trapped by the atmosphere is going into the ocean and changing circulation patterns, threatening to turn the region into a source of carbon, exaggerating future warming.” The expedition, the team leaders continued, would “make detailed measurements on the passage south (e.g. temperature, salinity, carbon) to determine just how sensitive the Southern Ocean is to change.”

As if it could not get any more embarrassing, a video about the trip featuring Turney explained that the “Australasian Antarctic Expedition” — named after another expedition a century ago by the same name led by Sir Douglas Mawson — “will re-trace the route of its namesake to discover just how much has changed over the last 100 years.” Of course, when the video was produced, the “climate scientists,” rather than being stuck in ice, almost certainly had much different “changes” in mind. A hundred years ago, even without modern technology, Mawson’s expedition did just fine.

“We're stuck in our own experiment,” the Australasian Antarctic Expedition admitted in a statement quoted in media reports, almost comically insisting that ice in the region really is melting despite all of the objective and anecdotal data literally all around them. “Sea ice is disappearing due to climate change, but here ice is building up.” In reality, sea ice in the Arctic is up 50 percent above last year, and in Antarctica, this year saw a new record — the largest sea-ice covering since records began.

As has become typical in everything “climate,” the establishment press has largely refused to tell the truth about the purpose of the expedition — either ignoring the facts altogether, or claiming it was merely a “research” trip. A few have casually mentioned the “climate” connection in passing near the bottom of articles. The avoidance of reality is especially ironic considering that there are taxpayer-funded “journalists” from the alarmist BBC and the Australian ABC, as well as from the almost comically hysterical U.K. Guardian, onboard the ship hoping to capture “evidence” of “global warming.”


http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/17277-global-warming-alarmists-stuck-in-antarctic-sea-ice



I know how you so dearly wish to distance yourself from Gore (who could blame you). But, the fact remains he's been the poster boy of all this crap you keep spewing. Such isn't lost on the public. So when his doom-and-gloom predictions go up in smoke, he tends to get clowned.....as do you.

So when Gore supposedly follows the science, which has been shown to be less than accurate (in essence, doing the same thing YOU are doing), no one is supposed to call him or YOU on it. I see.


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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #134 on: September 21, 2014, 11:28:54 AM »
To borrow from the immortal words of Mr. T's Clubber Lang character from Rocky III, "I reject the challenge, because Avxo is NO challenge. But, I'll be more than happy to beat on him some more".  ;D

But as you may recall, Clubber Lang gets brutally beaten by Rocky Balboa and loses.


A well-documented warming trend is questionable to say the least, especially given the last 20 years or so.

Except that the natural warming/cooling cycles of the planet span thousands of years. When we're talking about that time frame, twenty years are, effectively, an outlier. As someone with a Bachelor's degree in Engineering you should have at least taken basic introductory statistics... no?


But don't take my word for it:

http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/03/04/updated-global-temperature-no-global-warming-for-17-years-6-months-no-warming-for-210-months/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/10294082/Global-warming-No-actually-were-cooling-claim-scientists.html

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/19121-with-ice-growing-at-both-poles-global-warming-theories-implode

As The New American reported last month, virtually every falsifiable prediction made by climate theorists — both the global-cooling mongers of a few decades ago and the warming alarmists more recently — has proven to be spectacularly wrong. In many cases, the opposite of what they forecasted took place. But perhaps nowhere have the failed global-warming doom and gloom predictions been more pronounced than in the Antarctic, where sea-ice levels have continued smashing through previous records. For each of the last three years, ice cover has hit a new record high.

The most recent data show that the Antarctic is currently surrounded by more sea ice than at any other point since records began. In all, there are right now about 20 million square kilometers of frozen sea area surrounding the Antarctic continent. That is 170,000 square kilometers more than last year’s previous all-time record, and more than 1.2 million square kilometers above the 1981-to-2010 mean, according to researchers.

“This is an area covered by sea ice which we've never seen from space before,” meteorologist and sea ice scientist Jan Lieser with the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Cooperative Research Centre (CRC) told Australia’s ABC. “Thirty-five years ago the first satellites went up which were reliably telling us what area, two dimensional area, of sea ice was covered and we've never seen that before, that much area. That is roughly double the size of the Antarctic continent and about three times the size of Australia.”

Despite having predicted less ice — not more — as a result of alleged man-made global warming, some alarmists have comically tried to blame the record ice on “global warming.” Indeed, in a bizarre attempt to explain away the latest findings, Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems CRC boss Tony Worby tried to blame “the depletion of ozone” and the “warming atmosphere” for the phenomenal growth in sea ice — contradicting previous forecasts by warming alarmists, who warned that ice would decrease as temperatures rose along with CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere.

Even if every bit of that is true, I fail to see how it addresses the main thrust of my post or can be used to challenge anything I wrote. I never said anything about Antarctic ice, the ozone layer, hydrocarbons, CO2, tax credits or whatever else. I spoke about the fact that the earth naturally goes through long-term warming and cooling cycles and nobody disputes this. I also said that the evidence we have from the past hundred or so years suggests that we are presently in a warming cycle and again, this is something that nobody disputes. If you're feeling up to it, you may want to read up on topics like North African climate cycles.


Every year, it seems, we get the usual song-and-dance as to why the planet ain't cooperating with these models.

Some models are more successful than others at making predictions and some are less. And considering how big the system being modeled is and how many variables are independent, is that any surprise?


I've alreadly pointed that out (so has Dario) and provided the references for it. The facts don't match the models. The ice that was supposed to have melted hasn't. And, considering that climatologists were screaming the exact opposite (that this planet was going to freeze us all to death, which was also supposedly man's fault) just a few decades ago, this allegedly settled science is anything but that.

For an engineer, your thought process is ridiculously muddled. But, I guess, it's not unlike Clubber Lang's punching - it became erratic and desperate as the rounds dragged on. Getting a beatdown will do that to you. I'll try to be gentle: first of all, you are attacking a position that I do not hold. Beyond that, you are ignoring things on which there is broad and deep consensus - such as long-term warming and cooling cycles on millenial timescales - and claiming that a 20 year move in the opposite direction proves them wrong. Your arguments - such as they are - would be laughable if you weren't actually serious.

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #135 on: September 21, 2014, 11:44:01 AM »
I even find it humurous that AVXO is claiming that man made influences are unproven, that's completely incorrect also.

I don't dispute that we could change the climate; it's not even't particularly difficult: a couple of big nuclear bombs and we could change it pretty radically. I just don't know that our influence is as large as is claimed.


"Ninety-seven percent of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities,1and most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources."

There is literally moutains of evidence showing it's anthropogenic, mountains. The other known variables do not account for it, it's us.

The other known variables may not account for it, but there may also be unknown variables. I'm just not too quick to jump on the bandwagon and I am not convinced that human activities have the effect that is claimed in this case. To be sure they have some effect (see hydrofluorocarbons, for example) and considering that this is the only planet on which we are currently capable of surviving, it would be smart to take steps to protect it for reason other than the purely selfish one of helping ensure that it can continue to foster our survival.

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #136 on: September 21, 2014, 11:47:14 AM »
But as you may recall, Clubber Lang gets brutally beaten by Rocky Balboa and loses.

I know that. I just dig the line. The one difference between the Lang character and myself is that my opponent (if you will) doesn't have an an Apollo to get him ready.


Except that the natural warming/cooling cycles of the planet span thousands of years. When we're talking about that time frame, twenty years are, effectively, an outlier. As someone with a Bachelor's degree in Engineering you should have at least taken basic introductory statistics... no?

For that you would need thousands of years of data, no? Besides, it was the climatologists who made the predictions regarding the last 20 years and they basically goofed that on up.


Even if every bit of that is true, I fail to see how it addresses the main thrust of my post or can be used to challenge anything I wrote. I never said anything about Antarctic ice, the ozone layer, hydrocarbons, CO2, tax credits or whatever else. I spoke about the fact that the earth naturally goes through long-term warming and cooling cycles and nobody disputes this. I also said that the evidence we have from the past hundred or so years suggests that we are presently in a warming cycle and again, this is something that nobody disputes. If you're feeling up to it, you may want to read up on topics like North African climate cycles.

But, that's not the gist of this issue. It's this bilge about the planet warming/cooling and mankind going to fry/freeze, because of man-made global warming. You will recall I sayd something to the tune of "Man didn't start it and man can't stop it".



Some models are more successful than others at making predictions and some are less. And considering how big the system being modeled is and how many variables are independent, is that any surprise?

And, as a scientist, you know that you junk those that don't work. You don't keep insisting that they do, espeically with evidence to the contrary piling on the scene.


For an engineer, your thought process is ridiculously muddled. But, I guess, it's not unlike Clubber Lang's punching - it became erratic and desperate as the rounds dragged on. Getting a beatdown will do that to you. I'll try to be gentle: first of all, you are attacking a position that I do not hold. Beyond that, you are ignoring things on which there is broad and deep consensus - such as long-term warming and cooling cycles on millenial timescales - and claiming that a 20 year move in the opposite direction proves them wrong. Your arguments - such as they are - would be laughable if you weren't actually serious.

How is it muddled? Somebody makes a prediction, based on a model. The time is up; the prediction doesn't come to pass; you scrap the model.

That's not what's happening, though. The models keep getting pushed and the agenda that man is responsible for warming (that isn't actually happening) gets spewed.

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #137 on: September 21, 2014, 12:07:49 PM »
Earth to numbskull!! Why did they get trapped again? They got trapped in ice they thought wasn't supposed to be there. Also from that article:

He remained adamant that sea ice is melting, even as the boat remained trapped in frozen seas.
So what does he believe: His theories, or the ACTUAL ICE that trapped him and six dozens of his buddies?

Furthermore....

In a failed effort to raise funds for the scheme from the public, the climate alarmists promised potential donors that they would investigate and share information about “environmental changes” taking place in Antarctica. “Crucially this pristine southern polar region is uniquely placed to monitor the health of our planet,” Turley and his associates said. The team also vowed to seek out information on the intersection between “global climate” and the region, claiming — somewhat ironically, in retrospect — that changes were “threatening the stability of Antarctic ice.”

“The Southern Ocean plays a crucial role in global climate and the carbon cycle,” the climate alarmists wrote, adding that “90% of the world’s excess heat trapped by the atmosphere is going into the ocean and changing circulation patterns, threatening to turn the region into a source of carbon, exaggerating future warming.” The expedition, the team leaders continued, would “make detailed measurements on the passage south (e.g. temperature, salinity, carbon) to determine just how sensitive the Southern Ocean is to change.”

As if it could not get any more embarrassing, a video about the trip featuring Turney explained that the “Australasian Antarctic Expedition” — named after another expedition a century ago by the same name led by Sir Douglas Mawson — “will re-trace the route of its namesake to discover just how much has changed over the last 100 years.” Of course, when the video was produced, the “climate scientists,” rather than being stuck in ice, almost certainly had much different “changes” in mind. A hundred years ago, even without modern technology, Mawson’s expedition did just fine.

“We're stuck in our own experiment,” the Australasian Antarctic Expedition admitted in a statement quoted in media reports, almost comically insisting that ice in the region really is melting despite all of the objective and anecdotal data literally all around them. “Sea ice is disappearing due to climate change, but here ice is building up.” In reality, sea ice in the Arctic is up 50 percent above last year, and in Antarctica, this year saw a new record — the largest sea-ice covering since records began.

As has become typical in everything “climate,” the establishment press has largely refused to tell the truth about the purpose of the expedition — either ignoring the facts altogether, or claiming it was merely a “research” trip. A few have casually mentioned the “climate” connection in passing near the bottom of articles. The avoidance of reality is especially ironic considering that there are taxpayer-funded “journalists” from the alarmist BBC and the Australian ABC, as well as from the almost comically hysterical U.K. Guardian, onboard the ship hoping to capture “evidence” of “global warming.”


http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/17277-global-warming-alarmists-stuck-in-antarctic-sea-ice



I know how you so dearly wish to distance yourself from Gore (who could blame you). But, the fact remains he's been the poster boy of all this crap you keep spewing. Such isn't lost on the public. So when his doom-and-gloom predictions go up in smoke, he tends to get clowned.....as do you.

So when Gore supposedly follows the science, which has been shown to be less than accurate (in essence, doing the same thing YOU are doing), no one is supposed to call him or YOU on it. I see.




I don;t care about al gore, the article states the word melting not melted moron, the melting caused massive icebergs which participated in trapping ice as they do. This was the issue you fucking moron. No one said all the ice would be melted no one, it's melting at an alarming rate. You can keep trying to misrepresent the  "alarmists"(97% of the climatologists in the world, lol) position of crazy extremes.

The ice sheet is collapsing how the fuck is the ice expanding, I don't even need to refute the lies in your bullshit the data is all there moron.

would you ask a sociologists to do engineering work? yes or no?

so ice melting in your world=NO ICE. solid logic. the other shit is just outright lies like your poster boy LORD MONCKTON who can cure CANCER and rebut the worlds leading authorities lol. This guy is a fraud like you.


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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #138 on: September 21, 2014, 12:10:02 PM »
Oh really!!?


The leader of a scientific expedition whose ship remains stranded in Antarctic ice says the team, which set out to prove climate change, is "stuck in our own experiment."

But Chris Turney, a professor of climate change at Australia’s University of New South Wales, said it was “silly” to suggest he and 73 others aboard the MV Akademic Shokalskiy were trapped in ice they’d sought to prove had melted. He remained adamant that sea ice is melting, even as the boat remained trapped in frozen seas.


http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/12/30/stuck-in-our-own-experiment-leader-trapped-team-insists-polar-ice-is-melting/

And, then there's this guy:

The speech by former US Vice-President Al Gore was apocalyptic. ‘The North Polar ice cap is falling off a cliff,’ he said. ‘It could be completely gone in summer in as little as seven years. Seven years from now.’

Those comments came in 2007 as Mr Gore accepted the Nobel Peace Prize for his campaigning on climate change.

But seven years after his warning, The Mail on Sunday can reveal that, far from vanishing, the Arctic ice cap has expanded for the second year in succession – with a surge, depending on how you measure it, of between 43 and 63 per cent since 2012.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2738653/Stunning-satellite-images-summer-ice-cap-thicker-covers-1-7million-square-kilometres-MORE-2-years-ago-despite-Al-Gore-s-prediction-ICE-FREE-now.html

Again a politician, I DONT GIVE A FUCK. are you that stupid that you dont understand that no one in the actual scientific community (the only people who matter) cares about al gore, do you think his predictions are based on advanced models, years of training and field work?

Seriously stop posting bullshit opinions from al gore to lord fuckign monckton, you don't understand teh difference between opinion and fact. None of these people are authorities as such I don't give a fuck what they said, try again.

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #139 on: September 21, 2014, 12:12:04 PM »
Indeed I do know what the word means. I'm sure if you ask some alchemists, they would have said the same thing about lead turning into gold....unequivocially.

In the same vein, those guys who got trapped in that ice thought the ice was "unequivocally" supposed to be melted.

Using big words and actually being accurate are two different things. Try to keep up, genius.

As for Newman's referencing himself? Ummm... I wasn't aware that Alex Newman also wenty by the name Fritz Vahrenholt....or Ian Elliot.....or Pierre Gosselin.
  
Even other treehuggers are contorting themselves for another explanation as to why the facts don't match the models.


The 17-year pause in global warming is likely to last into the 2030s and the Arctic sea ice has already started to recover, according to new research.

A paper in the peer-reviewed journal Climate Dynamics – by Professor Judith Curry of the Georgia Institute of Technology and Dr Marcia Wyatt – amounts to a stunning challenge to climate science orthodoxy.

Not only does it explain the unexpected pause, it suggests that the scientific majority – whose views are represented by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) – have underestimated the role of natural cycles and exaggerated that of greenhouse gases.

The research comes amid mounting evidence that the computer models on which the IPCC based the gloomy forecasts of a rapidly warming planet in its latest report, published in September, are diverging widely from reality.


The pause means there has been no statistically significant increase in world average surface temperatures since the beginning of 1997, despite the models’ projection of a steeply rising trend.

According to Dr Hawkins, the divergence is now so great that the world’s climate is cooler than what the models collectively predicted with ‘five to 95 per cent certainty’.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2485772/Global-warming-pause-20-years-Arctic-sea-ice-started-recover.html#ixzz3Dy5mRKtO



Would this be the same IPCC caught fudging the numbers again?

http://www.climatedepot.com/2010/12/08/special-report-more-than-1000-international-scientists-dissent-over-manmade-global-warming-claims-challenge-un-ipcc-gore-2/

Dude I just showed you teh person who writes for this bullshit website has claimed to cure cancer, has been caught making up data and isn't even a lord, yet you post another article?

you must be coach it's the only explanation for this stupidity. I won't look at that site it is tarnished, it has been shown to be biased and fine with false hoods, it can be brushed aside now. Try another source without a history of lying and funded solely by big oil.

You are a laughable human in every way.

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #140 on: September 21, 2014, 12:16:05 PM »
Hey doofus, I never claimed the Earth to be flat. As for alchemy, I mentioned that to make the point. It is utter BS, just like your treehugging mantra of global warming.

But, just to show yet more examples of the environmental goofies, continuing to shoot themselves in the feet.

First there was this:

Americans who lived through the 1960s and ’70s may remember the dire global-cooling predictions that were hyped and given great credibility by Newsweek, Time, Life, National Geographic, and numerous other mainstream media outlets. According to the man-made global-cooling theories of the time, billions of people should be dead by now owing to cooling-linked crop failures and starvation.

“If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but 11 degrees colder by the year 2000,” claimed ecology professor Kenneth E.F. Watt at the University of California in 1970. “This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age.” Of course, 2000 came and went, and the world did not get 11 degrees colder. No ice age arrived, either.

In 1971, another global-cooling alarmist, Stanford University professor Paul Ehrlich, who is perhaps best known for his 1968 book The Population Bomb, made similarly wild forecasts for the end of the millennium in a speech at the British Institute for Biology. “By the year 2000 the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people,” he claimed. “If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000 and give ten to one that the life of the average Briton would be of distinctly lower quality than it is today.” Of course, England still exists, and its population was doing much better in 2000 than when Ehrlich made his kooky claims. But long before 2000, Ehrlich had abandoned global-cooling alarmism in favor of warning that the Earth faced catastrophic global warming. Now he is warning that humans may soon be forced to resort to cannibalism.

To combat the alleged man-made cooling, “experts” suggested all sorts of grandiose schemes, including some that in retrospect appear almost too comical to be real. “Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climate change, or even to allay its effects,” reported Newsweek in its 1975 article “The Cooling World,” which claimed that Earth’s temperature had been plunging for decades due to humanity’s activities. Some of the “more spectacular solutions” proposed by the cooling theorists at the time included “melting the arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or diverting arctic rivers,” Newsweek reported.

Of course, the big alleged threat hyped in recent decades has been global warming, not global cooling. But the accuracy of the climate-change predictions since the cooling fears melted away has hardly improved.



30+ years later, our treehugging brethren switched to THIS:

No More Snow?

For well over a decade now, climate alarmists have been claiming that snow would soon become a thing of the past. In March 2000, for example, “senior research scientist” David Viner, working at the time for the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia, told the U.K. Independent that within “a few years,” snowfall would become “a very rare and exciting event” in Britain. “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he was quoted as claiming in the article, headlined “Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past.”

The very next year, snowfall across the United Kingdom increased by more than 50 percent. In 2008, perfectly timed for a “global warming” legislation debate in Parliament, London saw its first October snow since 1934 — or possibly even 1922, according to the U.K. Register. “It is unusual to have snow this early,” a spokesperson for the alarmist U.K. Met office admitted to The Guardian newspaper. By December of 2009, London saw its heaviest levels of snowfall in two decades. In 2010, the coldest U.K. winter since rec­ords began a century ago blanketed the islands with snow.

In early 2004, the CRU’s Viner and other self-styled “experts” warned that skiing in Scotland would soon become just a memory, thanks to alleged global warming. “Unfortunately, it’s just getting too hot for the Scottish ski industry,” Viner told The Guardian. Another “expert,” Adam Watson with the Centre for Ecology and Hydrology, told the paper that the skiing industry in Scotland had less than two decades left to go. Yet in 2013, too much snow kept many Scottish resorts closed. “Nevis Range, The Lecht, Cairngorm, Glenshee and Glencoe all remain closed today due to the heavy snow,” reported OnTheSnow.com on January 4, 2013. Ironically, by 2014, the BBC, citing experts, reported that the Scottish hills had more snow than at any point in seven decades. It also reported that the Nevis Range ski resort could not operate some of its lifts because they were “still buried under unprecedented amounts of snow.”

The IPCC has also been relentlessly hyping the snowless winter scare, along with gullible or agenda-driven politicians. In its 2001 Third Assessment Report, for example, the IPCC claimed “milder winter temperatures will decrease heavy snowstorms.” Again, though, the climate refused to cooperate. The year 2013, the last year for which complete data is available, featured the fourth-highest levels on record, according to data from Rutgers University’s Global Snow Lab. Spring snow cover was the highest in a decade, while data for the fall indicate that it was the fifth highest ever recorded. Last December, meanwhile, brought with it a new high record in Northern Hemisphere snow cover, Global Snow Lab data show.

Blame Global Warming?

After the outlandish predictions of snowless winters failed to materialize, the CRU dramatically changed its tune on snowfall. All across Britain, in fact, global-warming alarmists rushed to blame the record cold and heavy snow experienced in recent years on — you guessed it! — global warming. Less snow: global warming. More snow: global warming. Get it? Good.

The same phenomenon took place in the United States just last winter. As record cold and snowfall was pummeling much of North America, warming theorists contradicted all of their previous forecasts and claimed that global warming was somehow to blame. Among them: White House Science “Czar” John Holdren. “A growing body of evidence suggests that the kind of extreme cold being experienced by much of the United States as we speak is a pattern we can expect to see with increasing frequency, as global warming continues,” he claimed.

That assertion, of course, is exactly the opposite of what the UN “settled science” IPCC predicted in its 2001 global-warming report, which claimed that the planet would see “warmer winters and fewer cold spells, because of climate change.” Ironically, perhaps, Holdren warned decades ago that human CO2 emissions would lead to a billion deaths due to global warming-fueled global cooling — yes, cooling, which he said would lead to a new ice age by 2020.

Ridiculous forecasts have been made by other “climate scientists” who, like Holdren, continue to reap huge amounts of U.S. taxpayer dollars in salaries, grants, and benefits despite being consistently wrong. James Hansen, for instance, who headed NASA’s Goddard Institute for three dec­ades before taking a post at Columbia University, is one of the best known “climatologists” in the world — despite his long and embarrassing record of bad forecasting spanning decades
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http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/18888-embarrassing-predictions-haunt-the-global-warming-industry

I know; I know. He's a lawyer. So pointing out how the pine pumpers went from global cooling in the 70s and 80s to global warming in the 90s and 2000s doesn't count.

Darn this blasted planet!!


No his opinion on climate science does not count. No one cares about it, no one expect nutjobs like you. I wouldn't ask a climatologist for legal advice, can you understand this?

again you are lying and taking information on climate from a lawyer, you even admit it, this shows how stupid you are.

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #141 on: September 21, 2014, 12:29:32 PM »
Again a politician, I DONT GIVE A FUCK. are you that stupid that you dont understand that no one in the actual scientific community (the only people who matter) cares about al gore, do you think his predictions are based on advanced models, years of training and field work?

Wrong again! They care, as Gore helps get them publicity and (more importantly) grant money.



Seriously stop posting bullshit opinions from al gore to lord fuckign monckton, you don't understand teh difference between opinion and fact. None of these people are authorities as such I don't give a fuck what they said, try again.

I'll post whatever I please, especially when it has the goods to knock down this global warming crap. Gore got his "bull--- opinions" from the very 'scientific community' you espouse. Yet, when he (and thus they) are shown to be inaacurate, you bleat and wail, trying to dismiss the former VP, as if their agendas aren't hand-in-hand.

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #142 on: September 21, 2014, 12:35:48 PM »

No his opinion on climate science does not count. No one cares about it, no one expect nutjobs like you. I wouldn't ask a climatologist for legal advice, can you understand this?

again you are lying and taking information on climate from a lawyer, you even admit it, this shows how stupid you are.

This isn't asking about legal advice, O blockheaded one. It's documentation of facts that shoot your treehugging tripe to pieces, which is why you resort to attacking the messenger (as most mushbrained liberals tend to do). He can report on this issue, as long as he has the facts and sources that back him up. And that's what burns your biscuits. That's what writers do. Otherwise, we'd have no journalism of any type, Einstein.

Reporting the history of the treehuggers' flip-flopping from global cooling to global warming reflects on the treehuggers', not those who actually report their past and present blatherings about how our planet is supposedly doomed to either fry or freeze, because of man-made causes.




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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #143 on: September 21, 2014, 12:35:56 PM »
I don't dispute that we could change the climate; it's not even't particularly difficult: a couple of big nuclear bombs and we could change it pretty radically. I just don't know that our influence is as large as is claimed.


The other known variables may not account for it, but there may also be unknown variables. I'm just not too quick to jump on the bandwagon and I am not convinced that human activities have the effect that is claimed in this case. To be sure they have some effect (see hydrofluorocarbons, for example) and considering that this is the only planet on which we are currently capable of surviving, it would be smart to take steps to protect it for reason other than the purely selfish one of helping ensure that it can continue to foster our survival.

Again the world;s climatologists have said it is us, there was a paper released recently that put your (unknown variables) to bed, the chance of it not being humans was lower then .01 and as you know in stats, that's it, the finding is significant. There is no unknown variable and if there is the chance is so small that it's meaningless, hence that's not a valid argument. You could make that argument about anything, however, in stats alpha levels of .05-.01 are the standard, it's been met and then some. What possible variables could explain all this? give me some examples, if not, it's simply you not having enough information on the subject. I have yet to hear one valid argument, anywhere. Where is the literature?



http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JCLI-D-12-00622.1

"The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) “very likely” statement that anthropogenic emissions are affecting climate is based on a statistical detection and attribution methodology that strongly depends on the characterization of internal climate variability. In this paper, the authors test the robustness of this statement in the case of global mean surface air temperature, under different representations of such variability. The contributions of the different natural and anthropogenic forcings to the global mean surface air temperature response are computed using a box diffusion model. Representations of internal climate variability are explored using simple stochastic models that nevertheless span a representative range of plausible temporal autocorrelation structures, including the short-memory first-order autoregressive [AR(1)] process and the long-memory fractionally differencing process. The authors find that, independently of the representation chosen, the greenhouse gas signal remains statistically significant under the detection model employed in this paper. The results support the robustness of the IPCC detection and attribution statement for global mean temperature change under different characterizations of internal variability, but they also suggest that a wider variety of robustness tests, other than simple comparisons of residual variance, should be performed when dealing with other climate variables and/or different spatial scales."

2014 was the warmest summer in history, ever recorded or hinted at. Mcway wants you to interpret this data as cooling though.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2014/8

Those fucking japs, tree hugging liberals.

"NASA and the Japan Meteorological Agency agree that August was the warmest on record. NASA puts August’s global temperature at 0.7 degrees Celsius above the 1951-1980 average, while the JMA, which compares temperatures to a more recent period, reports August was 0.32 degrees Celsius above the 1981-2010 average."

This summer was a record for heat, EVER.

The cause is increase CO2, Fact. It doesn't need more evidence, the models we use make accurate predictions, they showed slowing winds, earlier storms, record cold and hot months in the same year, ocean acidification, ice sheet collapsing. They take into account the sun, the wind, the ocean, the movement of the earth, the natural cycles.

Also, this natural cycle bullshit needs to go. When you see saw up and down in weight, it's not natural cycles, it's glycogen and water depletion, calories intake etc this create the "natural cycle", we know the variables, hence we know the natural cycle. I mean if you aren't satisfied with a .01 or greater then %95 confidence interval then you are holding climatology to an unfair standard.




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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #144 on: September 21, 2014, 12:37:11 PM »
Wrong again! They care, as Gore helps get them publicity and (more importantly) grant money.

I'll post whatever I please, especially when it has the goods to knock down this global warming crap. Gore got his "bull--- opinions" from the very 'scientific community' you espouse. Yet, when he (and thus they) are shown to be inaacurate, you bleat and wail, trying to dismiss the former VP, as if their agendas aren't hand-in-hand.

Again Al gores claims mean nothing, he is not a scientist, he is a lying politician. I have never seen his faggy movie so I don't give a fuck.

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #145 on: September 21, 2014, 12:39:51 PM »
This isn't asking about legal advice, O blockheaded one. It's documentation of facts that shoot your treehugging tripe to pieces, which is why you resort to attacking the messenger (as most mushbrained liberals tend to do). He can report on this issue, as long as he has the facts and sources that back him up. And that's what burns your biscuits. That's what writers do. Otherwise, we'd have no journalism of any type, Einstein.







If this isn't about legal advice why are you listening to a lawyer? nothing burns me up, you are losing the debate little fella, you have posted lies told by known liars. Notice how Dario has stopped? he backs a liar, and like him, you want me to refute his lies, the more you can throw out the better. So I am telling you that no I don't care what liars say, like you, I won't even consider your opinion on any matter, you have shown your ass, you are a liar.

Once someone's credibility is lost they no longer have the right to be responded to in a serious manner. He has been caught being intelletually dishonest, you see this as a minor detail, perhaps why you live your life fearing a sky daddy. Facts are no big deal to you, TEACH THE CONTROVERSY! lol.


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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #146 on: September 21, 2014, 01:04:06 PM »
Again the world;s climatologists have said it is us, there was a paper released recently that put your (unknown variables) to bed, the chance of it not being humans was lower then .01 and as you know in stats, that's it, the finding is significant. There is no unknown variable and if there is the chance is so small that it's meaningless, hence that's not a valid argument. You could make that argument about anything, however, in stats alpha levels of .05-.01 are the standard, it's been met and then some. What possible variables could explain all this? give me some examples, if not, it's simply you not having enough information on the subject. I have yet to hear one valid argument, anywhere. Where is the literature?



http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JCLI-D-12-00622.1

"The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) “very likely” statement that anthropogenic emissions are affecting climate is based on a statistical detection and attribution methodology that strongly depends on the characterization of internal climate variability. In this paper, the authors test the robustness of this statement in the case of global mean surface air temperature, under different representations of such variability. The contributions of the different natural and anthropogenic forcings to the global mean surface air temperature response are computed using a box diffusion model. Representations of internal climate variability are explored using simple stochastic models that nevertheless span a representative range of plausible temporal autocorrelation structures, including the short-memory first-order autoregressive [AR(1)] process and the long-memory fractionally differencing process. The authors find that, independently of the representation chosen, the greenhouse gas signal remains statistically significant under the detection model employed in this paper. The results support the robustness of the IPCC detection and attribution statement for global mean temperature change under different characterizations of internal variability, but they also suggest that a wider variety of robustness tests, other than simple comparisons of residual variance, should be performed when dealing with other climate variables and/or different spatial scales."

2014 was the warmest summer in history, ever recorded or hinted at. Mcway wants you to interpret this data as cooling though.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2014/8

No, try interpeting actual tempatures. The results tend to tell a different story.

NOAA seems to know something about that.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/30/noaa-quietly-reinstates-july-1936-as-the-hottest-month-on-record/




Those fucking japs, tree hugging liberals.

"NASA and the Japan Meteorological Agency agree that August was the warmest on record. NASA puts August’s global temperature at 0.7 degrees Celsius above the 1951-1980 average, while the JMA, which compares temperatures to a more recent period, reports August was 0.32 degrees Celsius above the 1981-2010 average."

This summer was a record for heat, EVER.

The cause is increase CO2, Fact. It doesn't need more evidence, the models we use make accurate predictions, they showed slowing winds, earlier storms, record cold and hot months in the same year, ocean acidification, ice sheet collapsing. They take into account the sun, the wind, the ocean, the movement of the earth, the natural cycles.

Also, this natural cycle bullshit needs to go. When you see saw up and down in weight, it's not natural cycles, it's glycogen and water depletion, calories intake etc this create the "natural cycle", we know the variables, hence we know the natural cycle. I mean if you aren't satisfied with a .01 or greater then %95 confidence interval then you are holding climatology to an unfair standard.



So, on top of being a treehugging sap, you're apparently a racist.


Again Al gores claims mean nothing, he is not a scientist, he is a lying politician. I have never seen his faggy movie so I don't give a fuck.

Indeed he is a lying politician. And his pushing this global warming crap is a prime eample of such.

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #147 on: September 21, 2014, 01:12:42 PM »
If this isn't about legal advice why are you listening to a lawyer? nothing burns me up, you are losing the debate little fella, you have posted lies told by known liars. Notice how Dario has stopped? he backs a liar, and like him, you want me to refute his lies, the more you can throw out the better. So I am telling you that no I don't care what liars say, like you, I won't even consider your opinion on any matter, you have shown your ass, you are a liar.

Why are you talking my hind quarters? Is there something you wish to share with the class?

Last time I checked, this was Dario's thread. He'll respond to your buffoonery in due time.

As for why I listen to a "lawyer", it's because this "lawyer" is also a journalist, the likes of whom tend to report news and information. Just like those YOU cited from the likes of The Guardian.


Once someone's credibility is lost they no longer have the right to be responded to in a serious manner. He has been caught being intelletually dishonest, you see this as a minor detail, perhaps why you live your life fearing a sky daddy. Facts are no big deal to you, TEACH THE CONTROVERSY! lol.


You don't determine who has the right to what, especially spewing the nonsense you have been. And par your infantile course, you dredge up religion, which has ZILCH to do with the topic at hand. Fearing a "sky daddy"? That's tough talk from a fool, worrying about being barbecued unless he drives windup cars to help save the planet.


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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #148 on: September 21, 2014, 01:50:45 PM »
No, try interpeting actual tempatures. The results tend to tell a different story.

NOAA seems to know something about that.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/30/noaa-quietly-reinstates-july-1936-as-the-hottest-month-on-record/


So, on top of being a treehugging sap, you're apparently a racist.


Indeed he is a lying politician. And his pushing this global warming crap is a prime eample of such.

Did you just play the racism card? LOL. what does treehugging have to do with this ? I don't give a fuck about that nor the trees, I care about life existing without to much difficulty. I don't care about hybrid cars or solar panels, I don't care about Barack Obama or left or right or al gore.

Did you not see the abstract I posted? it literally makes you eat shit.

No he is a politician who has no sway on the actual data nor reality, only idiots like you who fall for such shit.

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #149 on: September 21, 2014, 01:57:29 PM »
And THERE IT IS, the cruz of all this global warming mess: Making you feel good about doing something. And, per certain politicians and celebrities, you'd feel even better if you drove juice boxes disguised as cars, have toilet paper rationed to you, and let Uncle Sam determine when (or if) you can drive, and (of course) higher taxes to pay for all this stuff.

What you do, in terms of lights and gas, is just common sense (to say nothing of saving you money on your fuel and electric bills).

As for global warming, the operative word you mentioned is "IF". There's a huge difference between stating that such is a possibility and proclaiming that we're going to fry or freeze (depending on which decades you cach certain treehuggers), if we don't do X, Y, Or Z whihc again usually involves surrendering one's freedoms, tax dollars, and use of fossil fuels....all while the aforementioned treehuggers blatantly consume those very items.

Your repeated use of the term "tree huggers" suggests that you missed my point. Not that there is anything wrong with being a tree hugger if that's what interests a person. It is just that many people think of tree huggers as being extreme environmentalist and perhaps a little off kilter. My point was most people are not the extreme end of one side or the other when it comes to environmental issues. Where do you stand?

There is nothing wrong with choosing to drive a hybrid car, which uses less fossil fuel and perhaps produces less negative impact on the
environment, while saving the owner some money on fuel. Several folks in my neighborhood have recently bought all electric cars, some as their second car which they use for short jaunts. I presume folks spending the money for a Tesla, use it as their primary vehicle.

I considered installing solar panels on my roof to offset the cost of electricity. Unfortunately, I have a shake roof which still has some life left so factoring in the cost of a new roof rendered this idea not profitable at this time. I check the energy star ratings on appliances before purchasing new ones. How efficient an appliance is, is a consideration. We recycle as much as possible rather then throwing everything in the trash, but we aren't obsessive about this. Being a financially conservative person, I admit these choices are driven more because of possible cost savings then by a desire to be environmentally conscious.

Everyone who considers their impact on the environment is not a tree hugger. Some of us are just regular people who try to make intelligent choices, which may or may not have a positive effect on the environment.